Malaysia Airlines Plane Disappears Over Ukraine [MOVED]

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Dahil naka-off yung common sense???? ;)

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Whole families loss in a click.

Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: 20 families gone in one shot
PUBLISHED ON JUL 21, 2014 9:35 AM 309 679 0 0

PETALING JAYA (THE STAR/ASIA NEWS NETWORK) - The passenger manifest of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 tells a grim tale. More than 20 families were wiped out when the jetliner was shot down in Ukraine.

Two families of six were from the Netherlands and Malaysia while there were a number of families of five, four and three that perished.

Many of those who died were children, of which at least 20 were below the age of 12.

A number of teenagers also perished along with couples who were returning from a holiday or embarking on one.

Fifteen-year-old Jinte Wals had been so excited about her upcoming holiday in Malaysia that she tweeted about it an hour before her flight left Amsterdam.

She died along with her cycling enthusiast father Jeroen, mother Nicole, and siblings Brett, 17, Amèl, 12, and nine-year-old Solenn.

"Over uurtje in t vliegtuig naar Maleisië ! (In an hour, I will be in the air to Malaysia!)," she posted on Thursday, on what would become her last Twitter message.

The Wals were from the small town of Neerkant in the Netherlands.

Neighbours living across from the family told Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad that they could not believe that the family of six has been killed.

"It is awful. Never again shall we see Jeroen bring out the bicycle for his daughter," Nel and Ton Winkelmolen told the daily.

Also killed were Malaysian Tambi Jiee, who was returning home with his wife Ariza Ghazalee, 47, and four children - Mohd Afif, 19, Mohd Afzal, 17, Marsha Azmeena, 15, and Mohd Afruz, 13 - after three years in Kazakhstan.

Families of five who were killed included Dutch Johannes van den Hende, his Malaysian wife Shaliza Dewa and their children Piers, 15, Marnix, 12 and Margaux, 8. They were returning to their home in Melbourne after a holiday.

Lawyer John Allen, his Dutch wife Sandra Martens and sons Christopher, 16, Julian, 14 and Ian, 8, were reportedly heading to Indonesia for a holiday.

The holiday ended tragically in the sunflower fields of Ukraine's Grabovo.

Many young families were also wiped out in the tragedy, including Dutch Paul Goes who worked in Shah Alam, his Malaysian wife Shuba Jaya and daughter Kaela, who would have turned two soon.

Emile van Muijlwijk who worked as a logistics manager in Singapore died along with his Indonesian wife Vickiline Kardia and young daughter Adinda.

Johnny Paulissen, his wife Yuli Hastini and children Martin, 5, and Sri, 3, were also killed as well as Oscar Kotte, his wife Miranda and their six-year-old son Remco.

Also dead were the three Maslin children - Mo, 12, Evie, 10 and Otis, 8, who were returning to Perth from Amsterdam with their grandfather Nicoll Norris.

The Netherlands' Thuis In het Nieuws reported that seven people from two families in the southern Dutch town of Rosmalen died in the crash. The families were close friends.

Leon Wels and his wife Conny (Cornelia) were reportedly on board with their 10-year-old son Sem while Remco Trugg and his wife Yvonne were with their daughters Tess, 10, and Liv, 7.

- See more at: Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: 20 families gone in one shot

[Gumusut_Amige]

We are shell Global Support Team..those guys are part of Shell Malaysia team

Correction bro, yung isa ay part sya ng Brunei Shell.
Balita ng daughter ko meron daw 11 co-worker ng hubby nya na kasama sa ill-fated flight. most of them are due for home leave to india.
Hoping to give the victims a swift & deserve justice and the perpetrators shall rot in hell!

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[Yatta]

How many more lives to recreate the old Russian Empire/USSR?

[ZENMasterTYL]

parang final destination lang ah

PETALING JAYA, Malaysia–Dutch cyclist Maarten de Jonge cheated death twice after he made last-minute changes to his flight tickets for MH370 and MH17.

The 29-year-old cyclist who is a member of the Terengganu Cycling Team (TSG) told Dutch television station RTV Oost that he had to change his MH17 ticket to another date because he wanted to save money by getting cheap airfare.

De Jonge, who comes from Oldenzaal, also said he was supposed to board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 on March 8 for a competition in Taiwan but changed to another flight to avoid transit.

“It’s hard to believe. I grieve for the passengers and their families but I’m grateful that I escaped the flight,” according to his website.
He also said that he will take Malaysia Airlines to return to Malaysia via Frankfurt and has no worries about it.

De Jonge also said he was overwhelmed by the number of responses that he got after news broke out that he changed his flight.
“What happened is terrible, so many victims, that’s a horrible thing.

“I am happy for myself and my family after these two incidents. However, my story is ultimately nothing compared to the misery faced by the families in this tragic incident.

“Attention should be paid to these families. I wish everyone affected by this disaster to be strong,” he added.
Flight MH17, carrying 298 passengers and crew, was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it went down in Ukraine.

Ukrainian authorities believe that the plane was shot down by pro-Russian separatists.

Beijing-bound Flight MH370 with 239 people on board last communicated with the Inmarsat satellite before it went missing on March 8, after taking off from the KL International Airport.

Dutch cyclist avoids MH370 and MH17, cheats death twice | Inquirer News

[safeorigin]

How many more lives to recreate the old Russian Empire/USSR?

because some people rather side with the Russians than Svoboda/Neo-nazis

[jut703]

We are shell Global Support Team..those guys are part of Shell Malaysia team

OT: Based ka in SBSC or overseas?


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[safeorigin]

And the plot thickens

There are still too many unanswered questions about the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH17 over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014. Among them one of the most important deals with the possible error made by the operator inside the SA-11 “Gadfly” (“Buk”) TELAR (transporter erector launcher and radar) who did fire one or more missiles against a civilian plane.

Indeed, the operators inside the Buk could “read” the Boeing 777′s altitude and transponder and could easily identify the civilian plane en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur flying at FL300 inside the eastern Ukraine’s airspace.

Why did they mistake a large civilian plane for a smaller Ukrainian Air Force surveillance plane?

Just a matter of poor training?

Iranian defense expert Babak Taghvaee believes the mistake was caused by the fact the Malaysian Boeing 777 was escorted over eastern Ukraine. Taghvaee is always very well informed and an extremely reliable source.

Therefore, after he provided some details about this activity of the Ukrainian Air Force on ACIG forum thread about the war in Ukraine, we contacted him for some more insight.

Here’s what he wrote to us:

“When the Crimea crisis began, the Ukrainian Air Force air command center quickly forward deployed six Su-27s to the Kulbakino AB. Since beginning of the crisis and the Russia intervention, the 831st TAB has the important task to provide air defense as well as security of whole country. Six fully armed Flankers have always been in the sky especially when the other Ukrainian Air Force airplanes such as transporters and attackers like Fulcrums and Rooks were in the East of Ukraine,” explains Taghvaee.

“But when the Su-25M1 was shot down by the Russia Air Force 6969th AB’s MiG-29 on Jul. 16, the situation and condition became more critical than previous days and more Su-27 sorties were conducted to confront Russian MiG-29s. I believe those two Su-27s were not in sky just for standard practice in that day [Jul. 17], I believe they were involved in HAVCAP (High Asset Value Combat Air Patrol) mission sortie in that day.”

In other words: Since the Russian interceptors had downed a Su-25 on the previous days, the Ukrainian escorted all military and civil flights over eastern Ukraine on Jul. 17. Including MH17.

“During the UEFA 2012, the 831st TAB and its Flankers had same role, during those competitions they had duty to escort the airliners in FL330 and other routes in case emergency. They played same role during the Sochi Winter Olympics in Russia. They were airborne and they even escorted a hijacked airplane. They were also ready to provide security of all passenger airplanes over Ukraine. They are now following same procedure and they could protect all of the airplanes over Ukraine in-front of Russians since Jul 16.”

Provided the Su-27s were really escorting or (more likely) watching from their CAP station many, if not all, civil flights over Eastern Ukraine for the first time ever on July 17, in the wake of the downing of the Su-25, the operators inside the Buk may have mistaken the Boeing 777 shadowed by or near two Flankers for a high-value plane of the Ukrainian Air Force.

On their radar screens, the sight of a large plane with two accompanying (or circling in CAP not too far away) fighter jets was completely new and may only mean the Ukrainians were escorting an important plane. And that would be the reason why they downed it without spending too much time analyzing its transponder code and altitude.

[UPDATE 9:05 EDT] Russia's Defense Ministry claims that a Ukrainian warplane flew within three miles of Malaysia flight MH17. Ukraine's president denied the claim.

Read more: The Aviationist » ?All flights, including Malaysian B777, were being escorted by Ukrainian Su-27 Flanker jets over Eastern Ukraine?

Malaysia Flight MH17 May Have Been Escorted By Ukrainian Su-27 Fighter Jets - Business Insider

Ironically, Malaysia airlines decided to reroute their flights over to ISIS controlled Syria...

MH4 - Malaysia Airlines - Flight history - Flightradar24

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I guess they're just waiting another of their planes to crash/disappear...

Malaysia Airlines plane diverts from Ukraine to Syria
The flag carrier says MH004's flight path was in accordance with routes approved by the United Nations' aviation agency International Civil Aviation Organization

Agence France-Presse

Published 12:29 PM, Jul 22, 2014
Updated 12:29 PM, Jul 22, 2014


KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia – Malaysia Airlines has defended itself after confirming that it diverted a London to Kuala Lumpur flight over Syrian airspace when its usual route over Ukraine was closed in the wake of Thursday's MH17 crash.

The flag carrier said in a statement late Monday, July 21, that MH4's flight path was in accordance with routes approved by the United Nations' aviation agency International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).

"As per the notice to airmen (NOTAM) issued by the Syrian Civil Aviation Authority, the Syrian airspace was not subject to restrictions. At all times, MH004 was in airspace approved by ICAO," it said.

Dozens of airlines previously flying over crisis-stricken eastern Ukraine abandoned the well-used route between Asia and Europe after MH17 went crashed with 298 people onboard, apparently shot down by a surface-to-air missile.

Previous MH4 Airbus A380s have flown over Turkey, according to air traffic tracker Flightradar24.

But it posted on Twitter Monday that Sunday's (July 20) flight flew over war-torn Syria, where the conflict is raging both on the ground and in the air.

"As far as we have seen #MH4 was the only transcontinental flight going over Syria," it wrote on its *flightradar24 Twitter account.

MH17 crashed over eastern Ukraine – where the military has been fighting pro-Russia separatists – on Thursday, July 17, on its way from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 283 passengers and 15 crew aboard.

Both the rebels and Moscow deny claims by the United States and Ukraine that MH17 was shot down by the insurgents using a missile system supplied by Russia.

It is the second ill-fated Malaysia Airlines plane this year, after flight MH370 mysteriously disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, carrying 239 people.

The jet, a Boeing 777-200 like MH17, is believed to have veered off course and crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, but no trace of any wreckage has been found.

[NightRock]

Di ko ma hanap yung news ng BBC na ginagalaw ng reporter yung mga personal items ng mga passenger... nag sorry na yata sila

[NightRock]

Correction bro, yung isa ay part sya ng Brunei Shell.
Balita ng daughter ko meron daw 11 co-worker ng hubby nya na kasama sa ill-fated flight. most of them are due for home leave to india.
Hoping to give the victims a swift & deserve justice and the perpetrators shall rot in hell!

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May be he is just currently conencted to Shell Brunei but they are all Shell Global Solution which is under our South East Asian Hub located in Malaysia.. Yung isa nga dyan naka base pa sa Kazakhstan. Yan ang offical na pinadala samin ng HR. So kahit saan sila naka base reporting pa din sila sa Malaysia.. but soon they will be all moving to Bangalore coz our R&D will be soon moving to India.. (ayoko pa naman mag travel don)


Naka pasok na yung mga Dutch Expert to identify the bodies, I wonder how difficult their Job is

[NightRock]

OT: Based ka in SBSC or overseas?


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Overseas po

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[chrismarte]

OT: Missing nanaman daw

According to a source within Air Algerie, some 110 people are listed as being on board the flight.
Air Algerie loses contact with flight ‪#‎AH5017‬ over Africa
UPDATED: Air Algerie loses contact with plane over Africa

[chrismarte]

We are shell Global Support Team..those guys are part of Shell Malaysia team

bro, mix ata kasi NL, ML at BN yung country code nila.

[170kphlang]

OT: Missing nanaman daw

di na talaga mawawala phobia ko sa paglipad sa eroplano

[chua_riwap]

Sa taiwan meron din bumagsak. Trans air naman. Sama ng panahon dahilan.

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[kitchielover02]

This just in, another plane crash. What is happening?! :|

"Air Algerie flight carrying 116 people
disappears over
Africa; Algerian
official claims it
crashed"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1878317

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Some of you might be wondering why the pro-russian rebels are fighting against Kiev.

Face to face with the Russian-backed rebels in Eastern Ukraine | News.com.au

Here's why(*warning: very graphic images)

exhibit A*: https://twitter.com/vikakaliningrad/...893568/photo/1
exhibit B*: https://twitter.com/Nicolaj_Gericke/...562048/photo/1
exhibit C: Russians claim Ukraine town hit with banned white phosphorus fire starter bombs | Mail Online

not many know that the Ukrainians are firing artillery shells/air strikes for about a month now. It's not surprising why you don't hear about it often enough in the news but hear more about the MH17 accident.

analysis:

Merriam Webster:

“ethnic cleansing - n - the practice of removing or killing people who belong to an ethnic group that is different from the ruling group in a country or region”

“genocide - n- the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political or cultural group”

Wikipedia:

Ethnic cleansing vs. genocide: The crimes committed during an ethnic cleansing are similar to those of genocide, but while genocide includes an intent at complete or partial destruction of the target group, ethnic cleansing may involve murder only to the point of mobilizing the target group out of the territory. Hence there may be varied degrees of mass murder in an ethnic cleansing, often subsiding when the target group appears to be leaving the desired territory, while during genocide the mass murder is ubiquitous and constant throughout the process, continuing even while the target group tries to flee.

Ethnic cleansing is not to be confused with genocide; however, academic discourse considers both as existing in a spectrum of assaults on nations or religio-ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing is similar to forced deportation or population transfer whereas genocide is the intentional murder of part or all of a particular ethnic, religious, or national group. Some academics consider genocide as a subset of "murderous ethnic cleansing." Thus, these concepts are different, but related; "literally and figuratively, ethnic cleansing bleeds into genocide, as mass murder is committed in order to rid the land of a people."

Robert Parry in “Itching for Genocide” does an excellent job relating the realpolitik that happened and is happening in Ukraine.

... Though “blame-Putin” has been at the center of Official Washington’s false narrative on Ukraine from the beginning, the reality was always that the West – the United States and the European Union – provoked this crisis, not Putin and Russia.

The crisis emanated from the EU’s reckless offer of an economic association agreement to Ukraine that President Yanukovych weighed but ultimately rejected because it came with a draconian International Monetary Fund austerity package attached. The Russians offered a more generous $15 billion loan and also provided energy subsidies for Ukrainians.

Yanukovych’s decision to opt for what he considered a better deal for Ukraine was well within his rights as the elected president, but his choice touched off furious demonstrations led by western Ukrainians and openly encouraged by senior U.S. officials ... including Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland.

When Yanukovych refused to reverse his decision, the protests turned violent with well-trained neo-Nazi militias, organized in groups of one-hundred fighters each, moving to the fore to battle police. In the violence, both protesters and police were killed, though the typical treatment in the New York Times and much of the U.S. press was to simply report falsely that all the victims were protesters. [See Consortiumnews.com’s “The Danger of False Narrative.”]

On Feb. 21, seeking to stanch the violence, Yanukovych signed an agreement guaranteed by three European countries – Germany, France and Poland – to surrender many of his powers and accept early elections so he could be voted out of office. The elections would have tested popular opinion on the EU’s package while maintaining the Ukrainian constitutional structure.

Yanukovych also agreed to pull back the police, a move that opened the way for the neo-Nazi militias to seize government buildings and force pro-Yanukovych officials to run for their lives. With these storm troopers patrolling government buildings, the remnants of the shaken parliament cobbled together a new regime led by Assistant Secretary Nuland’s personal choice, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, who became prime minister.

The US and Kiev governments for propaganda purposes cravenly call what is happening now in Ukraine, the ongoing slaughtering of ethnic Russian Eastern and Southern Ukrainians, as an “anti-terrorist operation”. These attacks cause death, displacement, mass suffering of a particular “ethnic minority” These Southern and Eastern ethnic Russian Ukrainians had reason to protest the new neo-Nazi spearheaded illegitimate coup. They were doomed to be seriously marginalized, disenfranchised and systematically persecuted.

The launched ethnic cleansing operations of the Kiev government are useful to the US and NATO countries in the name of a deadly international gamesmanship -- to provoke Russia into appearing “aggressive” in defense of the ethnic Russians in Ukraine. This would be transparent to all if an amoral and corporate-controlled media hadn’t whipped up such excessive anti-Putin sentiment in their propagandizing the administration's despicable "false narrative" back here in the US.

Parry points out that the demonization of the Eastern and Southern Russian Ukrainians by many extremists in Ukraine is so intense that they refer to members of this targeted ethnic Russian population as insects and animals.

Last May when billionarie oligarch Petro Poroshenko was elected president of the junta government, many of the same neo-Nazi extremists stayed in power. Parry discloses:

The neo-Nazis got a share of ministries – with their top commander Andriy Parubiy made chief of Ukraine’s national security – to reward them for their service to the coup and in recognition that these militias might otherwise turn on the fragile new regime and seize power for themselves. Reflecting Western Ukraine’s hostility toward Eastern Ukraine, the parliament took actions offensive to ethnic Russians including a vote to ban Russian as an official language throughout the country (though that plan was later rescinded).

Parry addresses the profound neo-Nazi ideology and hate speech infecting Ukrainian nationalist thinking:

The presence of Nazi ideology and the evolution of the Ukraine civil war into an ethnic conflict was noted by New York University and Princeton Professor Stephen F. Cohen in an article for The Nation magazine. As Cohen explained:

“Independent Western scholars have documented the fascist origins, contemporary ideology and declarative symbols of Svoboda and its fellow-traveling Right Sector. Both movements glorify Ukraine’s murderous Nazi collaborators in World War II as inspirational ancestors. Both, to quote Svoboda’s leader Oleh Tyahnybok, call for an ethnically pure nation purged of the ‘Moscow-Jewish mafia’ and ‘other scum,’ including homo***uals, feminists and political leftists.

“And both hailed the Odessa massacre. According to the website of Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh, it was ‘another bright day in our national history.’ A Svoboda parliamentary deputy added, ‘Bravo, Odessa…. Let the Devils burn in hell.’

“If more evidence is needed, in December 2012, the European Parliament decried Svoboda’s ‘racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic views [that] go against the EU’s fundamental values and principles.’ In 2013, the World Jewish Congress denounced Svoboda as ‘neo-Nazi.’ Still worse, observers agree that Right Sector is even more extremist. …

“In December 2012, a Svoboda parliamentary leader anathematized the Ukrainian-born American actress Mila Kunis as ‘a dirty kike.’ Since 2013, pro-Kiev mobs and militias have routinely denigrated ethnic Russians as insects (‘Colorado beetles,’ whose colors resemble a sacred Russia ornament).

“More recently, the US-picked prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, referred to resisters in the Southeast as ‘subhumans.’ His defense minister proposed putting them in ‘filtration camps,’ pending deportation, and raising fears of ethnic cleansing.

“Yulia Tymoshenko — a former prime minister, titular head of Yatsenyuk’s party and runner-up in the May presidential election — was overheard wishing she could ‘exterminate them all [Ukrainian Russians] with atomic weapons.’ ‘Sterilization’ is among the less apocalyptic official musings on the pursuit of a purified Ukraine.”

I think of the slaughtering and mass prosecutions of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the continuing persecutions of Palestinians in Israel. The behaviors of these governments certainly coincide with the definition above of ethnic cleansing at least.

Egypt and Israel and now Ukraine are robustly supported with money and armaments by the US. Their defiance of international and moral law inspires no serious nor effective objections from our own so-called democracy not to mention other western countries. Clearly fascistic thinking and policies are on the rise in the west, especially our own ends-justifies-the-means administration, Congress, military and security entities along with profits-over-people corporatist ruling class elite.

The US is encouraging and enabling the Kiev regime to “crush the ethnic Russian resistance in Eastern Ukraine” which will result -- has already begun to result - in mass civilian deaths, in earnest “ethnic cleansing” and the possibility, Parry emphasizes, of GENOCIDE.

Ukraine: US-Enabled/Encouraged Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide! - libbyliberalnyc - Open Salon

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LOL....