Malaysia Airlines Plane Disappears Over Ukraine [MOVED]

[NightRock]

Tagal ng press released ni Obama kung may americans na nadale dyan mas magulo. Mukhang may kasama dutch na office mate ko masyado pang tahimik samin holiday season pa naman ngayon kasama mga family visiting malaysia

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Can the US be on a higher moral ground on this matter...? The US never accepted full resposibilty for this either.

—July 3, 1988: U.S. warship Vincennes shoots down an Iranian passenger plane over the Persian Gulf, mistaking it for a threatening warplane, during the war between Iraq and Iran. All 290 people aboard are killed. United States pays more than $ 130 million in a 1996 settlement that includes compensation for families of the victims.

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Well, all Obama needs is the support of Europe to pressure Russia in the war. But yun na nga some euro union members prefer to turn the blind eye bec they are dependent on Russian energy. I think one of them is the Dutch.

We should know that the Dutch still controls the entire European continent as was the Dutch East India company of yesteryears In terms of transpo.

Amsterdam is always the main hub of Europe, as most carriers need to connect flight their first b4 entry to any European country and of course KLM.

In this tragedy, 157 Dutch nationals died. Tsk tsk. WAr is really on the horizon. NATO will unite against Russia, but Russia only wants to punish Ukraine for resurging / practicing Nazi ideals . To think, Russia is doing the world a favor but since they're the poweful protagonist in this conflict, the west paints them a bully.

Russia accuses the west of only trying to help Ukraine to establish a capitalist economy and perhaps a military base near Russian motherland, which is Ukraine.

If I were Obama, what would I do? I preach equality for all races in my homeland and then here I am trying to support Neo-Nazi ideologies just bec they are the underdog against Russia.

This is the reason why I instead opted for the US vacation last summer. Since December I been plotting the eastern European tour, Amsterdam, brussels, prague, Budapest, Vienna, salzburg, munich. Tsk tsk ready na ako for the euro -tour, researching everyday about the Hapsburgs empire and the Roman influenced cities of Prague and Budapest. I love to track down Roman built cities, this octomber I'm going to Great Britain.

And then this conflict exploded last Feb. buti na lang kamo di ako naka-book kagad









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attempted assassination to Putin?

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Family missed Malaysia Airlines flight that crashed



A Scottish woman of Asian descent, her husband and their baby did not make it to Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 that crashed in Ukraine last night.

Mr Barry Sim and his wife Izzy, who heard about the tragedy on the way to the airport, spoke of the "sick feeling" they experienced on hearing the news. Mr Sim told the Telegraph: "You get this sick feeling in the pit of your stomach We started getting butterflies. Your heartbeat starts going."

His wife added: "There must have been someone watching over us and saying 'you must not get on that flight'.

"Coming to the airport in the taxi I was just crying ... I feel like I've been given a second chance."

The couple said there were not enough seats on the plane for them and so they booked another flight via KLM at the last minute.

The couple said they flew Malaysia Airlines frequently.

Mr Sim told Telegraph: "In my mind lightning never strikes twice in the same place so I am still philosophical that you get on the flight and you go about your life. I know my wife doesn't feel like that. Probably the last thing she wants to do now is fly, especially to Kuala Lumpur."

One Adelaide woman, who took MH17 a day earlier, also told ABC Radio that she twice came close to being on the fatal flight. “We flew into Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam on the MH17 flight, the day before, so it’s a bit surreal to think that, you know, one day later and I wouldn’t be standing here talking to you right now,” she said.

She had originally booked herself on the fatal flight but decided to change it, thinking she would be too jet-lagged for work on Monday. She told ABC Radio: "Then there was another chance we could’ve been on that flight when we got to Schiphol Airport on Wednesday to check in they’d overbooked that flight — so we were on standby and we only found out literally a minute before the boarding closed that we were actually going to be leaving that day."

- See more at: Malaysia Airlines MH17: Scottish couple missed flight which was overbooked[/quote]

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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...s-buk-launcher

Where Did Ukraine's Rebels Get the Missile Launcher That Allegedly Shot Down the Malaysia Airlines Plane?
By Jessica Schulberg and Josh Kovensky

A Ukrainian official said Thursday that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, a passenger jet traveling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was shot down near Snizhe today, a town close to the Ukrainian-Russian border. The plane was carrying 295 people and crashed early evening, local time.

No one has claimed responsibility for the attack, but immediate reports say that the airplane was grounded by a Buk surface-to-air missile system. The Buk, developed by the Soviet Union in 1979, has remained widely in use throughout the former Soviet states, including Ukraine.

General Philip Breedlove, the commander of the U.S. European Command, said that Moscow has been supplying Ukrainian separatists with anti-aircraft weaponry, and has held training sessions along the eastern Ukrainian border, teaching rebels how to operate the systems.

Direct supply of the Buk from Moscow to rebels would be a major escalation in the ongoing conflict. However, on June 29, Russia's official news agency, ITAR-TASS, reported that pro-Russian separatists took a Buk system under their control. The report does not specify whether or not this was theft from the Russian or Ukrainian militaries, only that the rebels had seized control of the weapons system. An AP report, dated yesterday, noted that, “A launcher similar to the Buk missile system was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, which is held by pro-Russia rebels, earlier Thursday.”

Initial reports say that the plane was shot down at a cruise altitude of 32,800 feet. MANPADS, shoulder-mounted weapons systems, are incapable of reaching that altitude, suggesting that a ground-based system like Bukwas used. Buk can hit planes at altitudes up to 72,000 feet.

According to the Interfax news agency, leaders of the self-declared independent People’s Republic of Donetsk refuted allegations of involvement, claiming their weapons cannot shoot down planes flying above 10,000 feet. A member of the Republic’s security council declared the Ukrainian military responsible for the attack.

But at the same time as the Malaysian Airlines jetliner went down, Radio Free Europe reported, Ukrainian rebel leader Igor Strelkov announced on Russian social networking site VKontakte that a Ukrainian transport plane had been shot down: "In the vicinity of Torez, we just downed a plane, an AN-26. ... We have issued warnings not to fly in our airspace. We have video confirming. The bird fell on a waste heap. Residential areas were not hit. Civilians were not injured." Strelkov linked to two videos, reportedly of the downed airplane. After news broke that the Malaysian Airlines plane had gone down, he deleted the post about the AN-26.

This incident comes a day after Russia fired its first missiles into Ukraine and the White House laid a new round of sanctions on Russian authorities. President Barack Obama and President Vladimir Putin spoke on the phone earlier today about the sanctions; Reuters reported that Putin briefly mentioned the crash near the end of the phone call.

During a television interview immediately following the crash, Senator John McCain said, “I’m not concluding, but it has the earmarks of a mistaken identification of an aircraft they believed was Ukrainian.” He added, “If it is a result of either separatists or Russian actions mistakenly believing that this was a Ukrainian warplane, I think there’s going to be hell to pay and there should be."

Over the past few days, rebels have shot down two Ukrainian military planes flying at high altitudes. Immediately following the crash, Strelkov wrote on VKontakte: “We warned them not to fly in ‘our sky.’”

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Militias reported downed AN-26 in the east UkrainyPo they said, at approximately 17:30 local time, the plane was flying over the city in Torez Donetsk region.

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July 17 near the village of skirmishing over the city Torez Donetsk region was hit by a transport plane An-26 Ukrainian Air Force, said the militia. According to them, the plane crashed somewhere in the vicinity of the mine "Progress", away from residential areas.

According to one of the militias, at approximately 17:30 local time flew over the city of An-26. It hit by a rocket, there was an explosion and the plane went to the ground, leaving a black smoke. From the sky rained debris.

July 14 in the Luhansk region was also hit by a freighter Antonov An-26, and its crew was captured by militias. As the pilot of the interrogation, his task was to deliver the cargo of food and water for the Ukrainian military, stationed near Krasnodona.

On the same day, July 14, Acting Ukrainian Defense Minister Valeriy Geletey President Peter Poroshenko reported that the crew of the aircraft made ​​contact with the General Staff of the Armed Forces. Before the Ukrainian side reported a loss of connection with the transport aircraft AN-26. The crew did not respond to the controllers.

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Such a big tragedy na naman. Condolence for those affected and hope that the ones responsible will be punished for what they have done
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[NightRock]

Mukhang may na kasamang American hindi pa na identify yung 50 passengesr..Ayon sa isang russian news umulan daw ng human bodies after explosion

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Para kay OB/fitdrive...

From CIA assassination cock-up to nefarious Illuminati involvement: The MH17 conspiracy theories doing the internet rounds

As the world continued to search for answers over the downing of Flight MH17, the internet came alive with conspiracy theories today.

The Web has long been a haven for numerologists and conspiracy crackpots peddling their alternative analyses of events that shake the world.

And today was no different as web sleuths across the globe rushed online in a bid to hypothesize over what really happened to the doomed Malaysian Airlines passenger plane .

Was whoever shot down MH17 actually trying to assassinate Vladimir Putin?

Russia Today sparked a fever of speculation last night after publishing a report that claimed the doomed flight was flying almost the exact same path as Putin's presidential plane did less than 40 minutes later.

It quoted a source as telling Interfax news agency: 'I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon.

Within minutes of the report, Twitter was flooded by claims the shooting was a botched assassination attempt.

Some even took it to mean US president Barack Obama ordered the C.I.A. to carry out the alleged hit.

'#OBAMA TRYING TO KILL #PUTIN #Putin's plane was following 'almost same route' as crashed #MalaysianAirlines #MH17,' gushed one excited user.

Another blamed banking dynasty the Rosthchild Family.

'ROTHSCHILDS TRIED TO KILL PUTIN & HIT WRONG PLANE TODAY - ALL BECAUSE OF BRICS BANK & USD END - HOW STUPID COULD THIS ZIONIST IDIOT BE?,' Dave Rocki blasted.

Or was it in fact the nefarious work of occult secret society The Illuminati?

Many have claimed that The Illuminati carried out the attack as part of its longstanding masterplan to trigger a third world war and thus establish a New World Order ... chiefly because of the plane's links to the number seven.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was a Boeing 777 and made its maiden flight on July 17, 1997 - 17 years ago to the day, many theorists point out.

On top of that, July is the seventh month of 2014. Adding up the year's numbers (2+0+1+4) makes seven.

Mike Glover wrote on Twitter: '#planecrash #Malay #Plane a #False #Flag? to escalate war & tensions -numbers though? Date 17/ 7 Flight 17 plane #777 #conspiracy #theory ?'

A writer on conspiracy website Before It’s News claimed the tragedy was 'clearly' an attempted false flag to launch a new global war.

They wrote: 'The occult/illuminati connection to this plane crash are laid out in the video and are absolutely stunning as the NWO (New World Order) attempts to start WW3 as their grip on power falls apart as the US dollar dies and on the same day TWA Flight 800 was shot down in 1996.'

The number seven is a figure that has long been associated with the clandestine group, who are said to view it as the essence of perfection.

Blogger IlluminatiWatcher.com wrote: 'I followed the previous Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (exhaustively) and concluded that it must've been aliens; one of the first conspiracy theories to surface, and until we hear otherwise I'm sticking with it. In that MH370 conspiracy theories post I referenced the fact that the alleged Illuminati might have been involved due to the number 777 being tied in. You'll notice that this MH17 was also a Boeing 777.'

Reddit user, ISayWhatEvery1Thinks went a step further, writing: 'Mh17 (one seven) – a 777 has been flying for 17 (one seven) years, was shot down during the 17th (one seven) day of the 7th month of 2014.

'2+0+1+4=7.

'295 "souls on board" (Anderson cooper's words) 2+9+5=16 then 1+6 =7. A lot of 7s.'

Many modern conspiracy theories propose that world events are being controlled and manipulated by the Illuminati, a secretive and ancient society blamed by proponents for a string of world events including the Battle of Waterloo, the French Revolution and President John F. Kennedy's assassination.

There have even been suggestions that the group is in fact a Communist pressure party hellbent on creating a new world order by infiltrating the Hollywood film industry.

MH17 was shot down 17 years to the day since its maiden voyage ...

The group's involvement was further bolstered by a New York Times journalist who revealed the plane was shot down 17 years to the day since its maiden voyage.

C. J. Chivers tweeted: 'Haunting: Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, Reg 9M-MRD, made 1st flight on 7-17-97. It met its end 17 years later, to the day -aviation official'

A coincidence or not, it was enough proof for many that a sinister plot was to blame.


Did Israel mastermind the shoot down to divert world's gaze from its assault on Gaza?

Some people even took to MailOnline's own comment section to expound their hypotheses.

'Benji', from London wrote: 'Did Israel have something to do with it? It's incredibly convenient for the government of Israel that the day before they launch their ground attack on Gaza.

'World attention and media coverage has been diverted from that to this MH17 incident. Could Israel be behind it so they can launch their attack on Palestine, and the inevitable deaths of hundreds of civilians that is likely to come with it, without
international media and governmental scrutiny?? hmmmmm.'

Benji didn't stand alone in his analysis today. Max Weedon added on Twitter: 'Missile downs flight #MH17 over Ukraine; Israel begins ground offensive against Hamas. Are the two linked?'

Do 'Pristine' passports prove it was all a hoax?

Many Twitter users claimed pictures of victims' passports found at the scene were in too good a condition to have possibly been involved in the crash.

'How could the passports found at the #MH17 crash site be so pristine? Wondering if these are authentic,' wrote Mamadoxie.


Another blasted: 'Look at these passports in pristine condition recovered from teh MH17 crash. Just like the 9/11 passport #falseflag.'

Could MH17 have actually been the same Malaysian Airlines plane that disappeared in March?

This argument appeared a little less-well researched than some of its counterparts.

But a lack of hard evidence didn't stop theorists sharing their views that MH17 was in fact MH370 - the plane that disappeared over the Indian Ocean in March.

ayCeePR wrote: 'Is this malaysian plane shot down by "terrorists" in ukraine the same plane that "disapeared" a few months ago?'

Daniel Jones added: 'Could the Malaysian plane that crashed in Ukraine b the same plane that disappeared some months ago?'
Was International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde in fact the mastermind behind the atrocity?

The IMF Managing Director gave a speech to the National Press Club in Washington D.C. about the power of the number seven.
In the speech she used numerology to make a series of forecasts for 2014 based around the 'magic seven'.

Now I'm going to test your numerology skills by asking you to think about the magic seven,' she told the audience.
She went on to point out that 2014 will 'mark the 7th anniversary of the financial market jitters', and will be the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall, 25th (2 + 5 = 7)'.

She made a series of further references to the number seven that inspired a glut of blog posts and tweets accusing her of sinister occult dealings.

'Not sure if anyone watched the "number 7″ video,' adds ISayWhatEvery1Thinks, 'Christine Lagarde, the chief of the IMF had some pretty cryptic uses of the number 7.'

Natalie Minnis was one of many who took to Twitter today to point out Lagarde's alleged links to the dark arts.

'Was Christine Lagarde trying to give a message about the #MH17 tragedy in her bizarre speech about numerology?' she tweeted.

Read more: MH17 conspiracy theories begin to appear on the internet | Mail Online
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Hmmm... the likeliest explanation I can think of:

The 9S18M1 "Kupol" target acquisition system of the 9K37 "Buk" has an IFF (Vyyavleniye drug ili vrag) system that can only identify friendly aircraft. Neutral and enemy aircraft lack the "hand shake" to be tagged as friendly (the same can be said of older american systems). So, the commercial jet would likely be tagged as hostile.

Another angle is that while the commercial jet was being tracked on radar, the missile operators misinterpreted the relatively low altitude flight as a "strafing run" of a bomber.

[NightRock]

Base on the conversation they intercepted mukkang kating kati mga rebels na mag pakawala ng missiles kaya ayan kala siguro spy plane... mga utak russian talaga reason pa nila may mga spy daw na sakay...hay naku dahil mga walang ka kwenta kwentang paniniwala nila dami na dadamay. maka pag pa bagsak lang ng plane kahit civilian talo talo na

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I read the article and it says there that 100 are attendees of the AIDS conference.

Well, Amsterdam is the gay capital of Europe

Some hardliners are always anti-gay.


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From this thread dami biased against Russia, but if you'll go there and ask Filipinos who had vacation there, ma bait ang mga Russians.

Maybe bec of how Hollywood portrays them.




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In Pattaya (Thailand), there are a lot of Russian-looking dancers but when I asked them (in English) if they were russian, they proudly say "I am Ukrainian! ".

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Malaysia Airlines offers refunds to travellers wanting to postpone or cancel flights with the carrier after MH17 disaster (but requests must be made by Thursday)
By TRAVELMAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 04:22 GMT, 19 July 2014 | UPDATED: 18:38 GMT, 19 July 2014


Malaysia Airlines has offered to waive fees for any passengers wanting to make changes to their flight itineraries with the carrier in the wake of the tragic MH17 disaster.

The airline said that passengers who wished to postpone or cancel their travel plans could have a refund, including for non-refundable tickets, but would have to do so by Thursday.

The concessions are restricted to travel up until December 31, 2014.

A spokesman said: 'Our Enrich passengers will also receive fee waivers for any changes to their travel itinerary, as well as refunds of miles should they choose to cancel their redemption tickets.

'These waivers are only applicable from July 18, 2014 until July 24, 2014, for travel between July 18, 2014 until Dec 31, 2014."

Those who wish to change their travel plans are urged to contact their nearest Malaysia Airlines ticket office or call the global call centre on 1 300 88 3000.

The spokesman added: 'Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets the loss of MH17, and is very much appreciative of the support from our passengers.'

Experts from the UK are to join those from the US and other nations in the Ukraine on Saturday to assist a Ukrainian-led investigation into how the flight was brought down.

Downing Street said six investigators from the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch would join the growing international probe into exactly how the plane came to crash, killing 298 people, including 10 Britons, nearly 200 Dutch passengers and 80 children.

The Foreign Office has also sent extra consular staff to Ukraine and the Metropolitan Police is liaising with international partners to send specialist officers to the country to assist with the recovery, identification and repatriation of those killed.

Malaysia Airlines offers refunds to travellers wishing to postpone or cancel flights | Mail Online

[NightRock]

Condolence to my 4 colleague (Shell Staff) included in in Malaysian Airline Disaster three of them travelling with their family and a guy leaving his wife in Holland

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Condolence to my 4 colleague (Shell Staff) included in in Malaysian Airline Disaster three of them travelling with their family and a guy leaving his wife in Holland

Which Shell company bro?


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[NightRock]

Which Shell company bro?


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We are shell Global Support Team..those guys are part of Shell Malaysia team