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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo
    dami nyo napupuna kala mo naman nagbibigay sa simbahan ng malaki pero barya-barya lang naman kung offertory!
    hehehehe........

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo
    dami nyo napupuna kala mo naman nagbibigay sa simbahan ng malaki pero barya-barya lang naman kung offertory!


    kaya dapat punahin yung politicians. hindi barya ang buwis na ibinabayad natin na para sa kapakanan din natin!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo
    vow of poverty ba dahilan bakit nyo sila pinupuna? bakit luxury na ba ang pajero? ang altis? 2004 lancer? ordinary vehicles lang yan. ang luxury eh yung M-class, yung Lexus, BMW, Rolls Royce...

    there are a lot of priests who come from very rich families mind you. some of their families have haciendas and big businesses. it is a tradition after all in some provinces to consider it prestige and honor to have a priest in the family. so how come if these vehicles were given by their families, what is wrong with a little luxury when they were so used to much much more when they were growing up as ordinary men like you?

    dami nyo napupuna kala mo naman nagbibigay sa simbahan ng malaki pero barya-barya lang naman kung offertory!
    Actually those "luxury" cars are just how people perceive them. To some people leather is barbaric and uncomfortable and plain old textile seats are more luxurious for them.

    Irregardless of what a priest drives it is important to remember that what we should all focus is if he does his job as a priest. Did you know that one of the Cardinals said to be a front runner to being a pope is a licensed pilot? In our part of the world knowing to fly a plane is a big luxury but for his part of the world it isnt. Playing sports and dabbing in the arts could be perceived as luxuries but Pope John Paul II did those things as a priest. Sending priests to prestigious business schools like AIM could be seen as a luxury but it isnt.

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    just before Holy Week may nabasa akong article sa Inquirer abt this priest who made millions in the stock market. he started with something like P8k in the 80s. now he is worth mga P3 million daw!

    anyway, sa room nya ang daming pictures ng Bimmer, Mercedes at ibang mga luxury cars. He spends his free time daw staring at the pictures...in short vinivisualize nya na makakabili na sya ng mga cars na yun. he believes in visualization ek-ek.

    personally, i found it strange that a priest would be that rich. Una, i believe in the vow of poverty for ALL priests. Since di naman applicable sa lahat, dapat naman may konting decency and modesty. wag naman yung sobrang magara na kotse, kahit bigay ng family, parishoners, etc. doesn't make any sense to me e.

    agree din ako that the vow of poverty is hyporicy na precisely because of these kinds of priests.

    finally, bakit may mga parishoners naman who make this very big donations? seems like they are trying to buy themselves their way to heaven. siguro sobrang makasalanan ang mga yan. sure, pera nila yun. but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. sorry kung may tinamaan.

    and you wonder why predominantly Catholic countries, like the Philippines, are so poor and underdeveloped.

    cheers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by morrissey_05
    just before Holy Week may nabasa akong article sa Inquirer abt this priest who made millions in the stock market. he started with something like P8k in the 80s. now he is worth mga P3 million daw!

    anyway, sa room nya ang daming pictures ng Bimmer, Mercedes at ibang mga luxury cars. He spends his free time daw staring at the pictures...in short vinivisualize nya na makakabili na sya ng mga cars na yun. he believes in visualization ek-ek.

    personally, i found it strange that a priest would be that rich. Una, i believe in the vow of poverty for ALL priests. Since di naman applicable sa lahat, dapat naman may konting decency and modesty. wag naman yung sobrang magara na kotse, kahit bigay ng family, parishoners, etc. doesn't make any sense to me e.

    agree din ako that the vow of poverty is hyporicy na precisely because of these kinds of priests.

    finally, bakit may mga parishoners naman who make this very big donations? seems like they are trying to buy themselves their way to heaven. siguro sobrang makasalanan ang mga yan. sure, pera nila yun. but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth. sorry kung may tinamaan.

    and you wonder why predominantly Catholic countries, like the Philippines, are so poor and underdeveloped.

    cheers!!
    That fellow must be a diocesan priest. It is allowed and has been allowed for a very long time already that they be allowed to retain property. Any Catholic is able to choose between being diocesan and religious priest. Some want the responsibilities of being a diocesan and some want to be a religious priest.

    As for parishoners who give big donations. I think JC commented about this woman who gave most of her possessions to her synagog even if it amounts to little to nothing while this rich man gave so much money but a fraction of his total assets. Maybe the parishoners are giving away most of there assets to the Church. It could also be that this is the way they show there love for Christ. In the end it is there business whether they want to give 1 peso or 100 million pesos to Churchs or charities.

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    The thing is kahit pa magara ang mga sasakyan nila "are they attached to their vehicles??" Ang mga pari hindi naman gaya natin na lahat gagawin para maging pinakamaganda ang sasakyan natin. Ginagamit nila yung mga sasakyan as tools for their mission and service. We should not judge them dahil may magagara silang sasakyan. So what kung magara sasakyan nila dabah???? Pero kung nakikita natin na mas binibigyan nila priority yung sasakyan nila kesa sa pagpapari nila, well in the first place dapat di na sila nagpari.

    "Everything we have are gifts from God, therefore let us put them to good use for His Greater Glory!!!"

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    imho some priests are already old na rin, so baka medyo hirap din sila kung medyo matagtag o uncomfortable sa loob ng kotse. i think kung *ordinary* sedans e ok lang -- e.g. corolla xl, revo base model -- so long as it's an official service vehicle ng church, and not for exclusive use of the priest. wag naman ung bmw, volvo, pajero, etc. it just sends the wrong message, kahit na gift o mayaman talaga ung pari.

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    mga pari sa ust... grabe kung nakita mo mga oto.. hehehehe...

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    Doon sa amin sasakyan niya YAMAHA DT 125....

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    may mga priests talga na mayayaman, dati dun sa beda un isang pari namn dun mayaman talga family nila, pati un mga gamit nya branded pero bait pa rin sya.hehe..tapos may kamaganak namn kami na pari sa states, every 2years ata o 3yrs bibgyan sya ng bagong kotse para service nya..

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    porket ba pari dapat PANGET AT LUMA ang gamit? Isipin nga naten. They have these beautiful and expensive things but are they attached to it? Like what i said before and what some have said, bigay yun karamihan and some came from rich families. The Church has money. So what? Alam ba ninyo kung saan yun lahat napupunta!? And so what if ang pagpagawa ng Church eh worth millions of pesos!? Eh kung mayaman yung nagdodonate sa simbahan pakialam naten. Sa parish namen may bank account. My tita used to be the treasurer and you can just imagine magkano pumapasok sa simbahan araw araw kada misa. Maraming activities sa Church at outreach programs that needs funding. Kulang pa nga ang pera kung tutuusin.
    And i don't think priests having nice looking cars will send the wrong message. Depende na sa tao yun kung pano nya tatanggapin ang ganoong scenario.
    Yung mga donations naman sa mga priests, may mga stipend talaga sila. And for the particular parish meron talaga silang "living allowances". Kung sakaling may pera ang pari, why persecute him? I really don't see the point. Tao den yan may personal needs na kelangang bilhin.

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    Odell,

    Hindi ba naka-Toyota Echo at Hi Ace ang mga pari sa UST?

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    oo nga naman.hehehe

    pero gaganda padin mga oto ng mga pari sa ust! :D

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    ke galing iyan sa mga parishoners, sa pamilya nila or sa sariling bulsa nila eh tao pa rin ang mga iyan...may mga pangangailangan...tulad natin kailangan din nila ang sasakyan para magamit sa kanilang pangangailangan maging pang sarili man or pangkawanggawa...di naman lahat ng simbahan o paaralan eh kayang bigyan ng sasakyan ang mga pari...

    my brother in law is a priest...may sarili siyang pre-owned na kotse at galing iyon sa sarili niyang bulsa...pano sya nakabili? nakapag ipon siya ng pera..pano? wala naman kasi siyang gastusin at pamilya tulad natin...libre lahat kapag pari ka-pagkain, kuryente, etc etc...gamit nya iyon pang personal at para na rin sa simbahan at paaraalan na kanyang pinagsisibihan sa lingayen, pangasinan...

    kapag parish priest ka lalo na sa mga subdivisions like forbes, ayala alabang, etc eh talagang maswerte ka dahil bukod sa galante mga tao diyan mag donate eh pati pari eh pinaaambunan din ng biyaya ng mga mayayaman dyan kaya wag na kayong magtaka kung may paring maganda ang sasakyan...

    nagbabago ang mundo at kung pari ka man eh di nangangahulugan na kailangan mong mamuhay ng tulad ni St. Francis of Assissi...di na uubra iyon lalo na sa modernong panahong ito...

    ikaw ba tatanggi ka ba sa mga grasya lalo na kung makakatulong din naman iyon sa mga gawaing mabuti?
    Last edited by chieffy; April 11th, 2005 at 06:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chieffy
    ke galing iyan sa mga parishoners, sa pamilya nila or sa sariling bulsa nila eh tao pa rin ang mga iyan...may mga pangangailangan...tulad natin kailangan din nila ang sasakyan para magamit sa kanilang pangangailangan maging pang sarili man or pangkawanggawa...di naman lahat ng simbahan o paaralan eh kayang bigyan ng sasakyan ang mga pari...

    my brother in law is a priest...may sarili siyang pre-owned na kotse at galing iyon sa sarili niyang bulsa...pano sya nakabili? nakapag ipon siya ng pera..pano? wala naman kasi siyang gastusin at pamilya tulad natin...libre lahat kapag pari ka-pagkain, kuryente, etc etc...gamit nya iyon pang personal at para na rin sa simbahan at paaraalan na kanyang pinagsisibihan sa lingayen, pangasinan...

    kapag parish priest ka lalo na sa mga subdivisions like forbes, ayala alabang, etc eh talagang maswerte ka dahil bukod sa galante mga tao diyan mag donate eh pati pari eh pinaaambunan din ng biyaya ng mga mayayaman dyan kaya wag na kayong magtaka kung may paring maganda ang sasakyan...

    nagbabago ang mundo at kung pari ka man eh di nangangahulugan na kailangan mong mamuhay ng tulad ni St. Francis of Assissi...di na uubra iyon lalo na sa modernong panahong ito...

    ikaw ba tatanggi ka ba sa mga grasya lalo na kung makakatulong din naman iyon sa mga gawaing mabuti?

    Ikinalulungkot ko ngunit hindi ako makasangayon. Hindi lahat ng libre, grasya o pasarap sa buhay ay tatangapin mo.

    Tulad ng nangyari kay 1st gentleman arroyo. Libre naman daw ano masama dun? Tama ang kanyang depensa na hindi siya public official at wala siyang nilabag na batas ngunit hindi lahat ng sumasang ayon sa legal ay moral.

    Dahil ang kanyang asawa ang nagsabi na lahat tayo ay dapat mag sakripisyo.
    Bilang isang pinuno we should first set an example ng sakripisyo at bilang isang asawa dapat sumunod siya.

    Katulad ng buhay ni Jesus Christ. Napakadali niyang gawin na magpakasarap sa isang palasyo. Ngunit, hindi iyon ang kanyang ginawa sapagkat pumunta siya sa lupa upang turuan tayo kung papaano mamuhay sa mundo. Hindi lang si Jesus pati na rin ang kanyang mga taga sunod ay namuhay ng modest life.

    One of the basic principles of leadership is to first set an example. You can detect it by looking at a person's life style.

    Di ko naman sinasabi na dapat ibigay nila lahat ng pera sa tao at mag mukhang kawawa na sila na halos walang makain. Ang sinasabi ko we should be practical and practice HUMILITY.

    E kung pamilya mo apat lang bibilli ka pa ba ng expedition? O kung may nagbibigay ng ford expedition at church leader ka tatangapin mo iyon?

    Mabigat talaga ang responsibilidad ng isang pinuno ng kahit anumang bagay at kinakailangan ka mag sakripisyo para mag bigay ng magandang halimbawa sa iyong mga taga sunod.


    Hangang dito nalang po hindi na ako gagawa ng counter argument at hahaba pa at lalayo ang usapan

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    yung Pastor namin before... naka Nissan Altima... (pinapahiram ng brod in law niya). siya mismo na aalangan gumamit nun. kaso no choice naman kasi kaya gamit nya.

    yung District Superintendents naman namin... naka Honda City A... dati Tamarraw FX...

    yung isa naman, maganda ang sasakyan (naka Crosswind), nag retire siya kasi from banking before naging Pastor.

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    May pari akong kakilala naka benz pa nga. Bigay ng pamilya. Old rich kasi. As in landed. It's not from the church's coffers. It's no different than anyone using cars given by parents...

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    otep,
    tignan mo dun sa may seminary gym.. 2 bagong camry.. may SUV's din.. dame.. puntahan ko bukas.. para sure..hehehe.. pumasok kasi kame dun nun kinuha nun kaibigan ko na varsity ang bag niya.. tinuro niya sa akin isa isa.. dame oto andun.. sa pari lahat.. kanya kanya sila.. minsan with driver pa

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    Yung isang pari sa UST naaksidente sa NLEX dati. May pinuntahan kasing function sa south. Eh medyo maulan. Dumulas sa SLEX tapos nag-spin. Hindi naman nasaktan.

    Ang dala niyang sasakyan: ISUZU ELF! (at least latest model naman). :D

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    mauna ka kaya?

    sabi nga ng matatanda, bago mo punahin ang uling sa mukha ng kapwa mo, tingin ka muna sa salamin.

    sige nga, tignan natin. mauna na yung mga nagsasabi na dapat-ganito-dapat-ganyan. hala sige benta nyo mga sasakyan nyong magaganda at bili kayo ng pangit. humility at poverty, sige na tignan ng magkasukatan na.

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