Impending Water Crisis??

[Little Missy]

Una pa lang as I was checking their fb page and the comments, something about this is unsettling to me. I can't believe the incompetence. Then there's the Pag-asa statement, then that ^.

Anyway, 24 hrs na ulit walang tubig samin. Buti nag ipon na kami nung weekend. I emptied 3 plastic storage boxes, pinuno ko ng tubig para sa CR ko. Mahirap na, 3 days inabot na walang tubig yung iba. (Wala kaming tangke but we have plastic drums).

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[chronicle]

San ang kaliwa dam? Sa kaliraya ba?

Regarding wawa dam. Marami maapektuhan/displaced dyan pag nagkataon. Kung as an aditional emergency purpose dam lang, pwede na. Pero pag full scale, parang alanganin.

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[Monseratto]

Fortunate dito sa Binondo hinde hawak ng Manila Water. Maynilad at may tubig pa rin.

Maynilad is controlled by Metro Pacific aka Pangilingan...

PAGASA counters Manila Water: El Nino not cause of water shortage - Interaksyon

[cast_no_shadow]

Fortunate dito sa Binondo hinde hawak ng Manila Water. Maynilad at may tubig pa rin.

Maynilad is controlled by Metro Pacific aka Pangilingan...

PAGASA counters Manila Water: El Nino not cause of water shortage - Interaksyon

Yes yan na din ang pasalamat ko hindi nasama ang Manila City hehe

San ba source ng Maynilad? Hindi sa La Mesa?

Medyo gusto ko na maniwala kay Mini na ito ay artificial lang [emoji23]


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[chronicle]

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Ang question. Bakit hit hard ang manila water while maynilad is di naman masyado.

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[cast_no_shadow]

^
Ang question. Bakit hit hard ang manila water while maynilad is di naman masyado.

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Yun na nga, hindi sa nagrereklamo ako ha curious and laking pasalamat na din.

Our office already allowed us to work from home or any place as agreed.

Wala kasi water yung building, affected A/C system since the cooling towers are water cooled.

Pag wala water walang A/C.


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[baludoy]

Yes yan na din ang pasalamat ko hindi nasama ang Manila City hehe

San ba source ng Maynilad? Hindi sa La Mesa?

Medyo gusto ko na maniwala kay Mini na ito ay artificial lang [emoji23]


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according to maynilad's wikipage, 90% of their water source comes from angat dam. they also augment their hydro supply w/ the waters of laguna de bay for their muntinlupa and cavite clientele.

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Ang question. Bakit hit hard ang manila water while maynilad is di naman masyado.

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ang isang theory is manila water is angling for another round of price increase. bale justification daw nila ito

[chronicle]

according to maynilad's wikipage, 90% of their water source comes from angat dam. they also augment their hydro supply w/ the waters of laguna de bay for their muntinlupa and cavite clientele.



ang isang theory is manila water is angling for another round of price increase. bale justification daw nila ito

Si kags nag post regarding sa ayala na di maganda pamamalakad. Lols.

Still not thinking this is election related though. Ano sila, sabihin ng mga politiko, let there be water, tapos dadaloy na ang mga tubig sa gripo. Parang walang sense. Pwede pa siguro divert attention.

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[dr. d]

Approved na pala yang kaliwa dam project. May pari na nag oppose niyan eh.

Another alternative water source project in the pipeline was the wawa dam. Sana ito na lang ang tinuloy nila. Mas malapit pa sa Metro Manila.


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from what i heard,
wawa dam was already functioning before.
but authorities did not further its development, because, at that time, the other newer dams "were doing fine".

the metro does not get its water directly from angat. no one in the metro, does.
we get the water from la mesa, which is fed by angat et al.
while the angat water level is still fine, the la mesa level is already below critical.

so why is manilawater in crisis while maynilad is not?
i don't know.
my guess is, "there's something in here that we are not aware of".

[Yatta]

according to maynilad's wikipage, 90% of their water source comes from angat dam. they also augment their hydro supply w/ the waters of laguna de bay for their muntinlupa and cavite clientele.



ang isang theory is manila water is angling for another round of price increase. bale justification daw nila ito

Other theories are: to make the proposed Kaliwa Dam, funded by Chinese loans more palatable. Incidentally this dam was rejected by the local community.

2nd theory: another of Digong's distractions, manufacture a problem, then offer a solution (Kaliwa Dam). Instant approval and pogi points.

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[dr. d]

has any local community in the history of mankind, ever approved the construction of a dam in their community?

[KingoftheNorth]

An interesting read from Boo Chanco on today's Star.

EXPLANATION HOLDS NO WATER
Demand and Supply (Boo Chanco) Philippine Star

El Niño? Come on Manila Water… Dams don’t dry up overnight. Something happened… maybe a colossal management mistake or miscalculation… and there is no intention to own up to it.

El Niño is predictable and plans for it should have been laid out. Contingency plans to prepare the public is expected of the concessionaires. If a shortage is inevitable, water tankers should be secured to distribute in hard-hit barangays.

One thing we don’t want to happen is to surprise the public like what happened last week. So Manila Water blames El Niño? But Maynilad is operating normally and they draw from the same Angat Dam.

By citing the low La Mesa Dam level, Manila Water is making it look like minalas lang sila. That claim muddles the presentation of the problem. Let us review how the system works, just to be clear.

Angat Dam in Bulacan provides about 97 percent of Mega Manila’s water requirements. The water from Angat flows to La Mesa where part of the water volume feeds into to the Maynilad treatment plant and the balance continues into the La Mesa reservoir.

The water in La Mesa reservoir then feeds into the Manila Water’s Balara treatment plant where it is then treated for the East Zone customers. The La Mesa reservoir is used exclusively for Manila Water.

In the event that Angat levels deteriorate, Manila Water has the advantage of sourcing from its reservoir in La Mesa. La Mesa is only a back-up source for Manila Water.

Water managers monitor the levels of Angat because that is the source of Mega Manila’s water. Currently, the water level in Angat is normal for this time of the year and the allocation for Manila Water and Maynilad has not decreased.

That is why this whole situation is baffling – Manila Water has been getting its normal allocation from Angat and temperatures haven’t been particularly intense to explain a rapid evaporation scenario – there is no reason for La Mesa to dry up.

I have asked my usually reliable sources and I am told that Manila Water has been drawing 1750 million liters a day (mld) from La Mesa when their share of the 60:40 split coming from Angat is only 1600 mld. This resulted in the depletion of La Mesa Dam.

Other sources think there is something more that Manila Water is not telling us. Maybe someone, in anticipation of the effects of El Niño, tried experimenting with valve management at La Mesa and screwed up.

Then maybe the number of Manila Water’s customers grew beyond the supply of water it can distribute. They were feeding new customers out of gains from a campaign to reduce non revenue water or NRW. At 10 percent NRW, nothing much more can be cost effectively squeezed out given technical limitations. But this is a problem that should cause no surprises.

Assuming no management miscalculations and that the Ayala firm is a victim of the weather, why was the problem kept from the public?

Precautionary measures could have been adopted by Manila Water. Instead we woke up one morning with dry faucets and no plausible explanation except to blame the weather. This Ayala concessionaire is expected to manage better than government.

The privatization of the water distribution service in Metro Manila had been cited as a model in various international fora. Ayala has the moral obligation to see to it that the private sector is seen to perform better than government. That’s the strongest reason for PPP.

In fairness to Manila Water, I have been its customer since privatization and I will attest that service had vastly improved. We have 24/7 water and in the right pressure. Our water tank has deteriorated from disuse.

But as in any public service, one is only as good as the service you provide today. Past accomplishments mean nothing. And because much is expected from the private sector, the bar is set a lot higher.

True, the government had been the roadblock to the proper planning of future sources of water for Metro Manila. We need to diversify from total dependence on Angat and to provide for population growth.

A proposal from San Miguel to develop new water sources had been shelved by two administrations prior to this one without even a good discussion.

The Aquino administration had been slow to act, but they left the Kaliwa Dam project with two prequalified bidders for a PPP venture. The Duterte administration, however, changed the mode to China funding and nothing has moved yet.

The use of Angat water for power generation will likely be limited to what water will be released for our domestic use. The Bulacan farmers who depend on Angat for irrigation will probably be sacrificed.

But the Bulacan bulk water system is already operational and it also depends on Angat. Metro Manila water users will have to share water from Angat with Bulacan households. After all, Angat is in Bulacan.

The immediate solution involves a cross border deal with Maynilad. But I remember when things were reversed in the past, Manila Water wasn’t too helpful to Maynilad.

Remember the murky waters from Angat after weeks of heavy rains that forced Maynilad to reduce production. Manila Water could have shared water from La Mesa Dam which already had time to settle sediments for better water clarity. But no help came or was offered.

Still, I am glad to learn Maynilad decided to share water supply, but it isn’t as easy now with the old cross border connection abandoned. New pipes will be needed. The MPIC/DMCI owned Maynilad is also sharing water tanks with Manila Water during the emergency.

The crisis for Manila Water customers will only get worse. But in the meantime, let’s have the truth from Manila Water. Their current explanation simply doesn’t hold any water.

There is something Manila Water is not telling us. This could have all been avoided or better managed.

[Little Missy]

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[chronicle]

So binayaran ng govt ang ayala para to implement an artificial shortage?

Tapos si mvp di nakipag cooperate kaya nagmukang obvious?

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[benchph1]

Actually sa construction ng dam mas matagal pa ang timeline ng pag relocate ng mga nakatira sa nearby areas kesa sa construction ng dam mismo.

As of 2019 nangongolekta pa ng requirements para sa issuance ng ECC si project team ng kaliwa dam.


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[shadow]

from what i heard,
wawa dam was already functioning before.
but authorities did not further its development, because, at that time, the other newer dams "were doing fine".

the metro does not get its water directly from angat. no one in the metro, does.
we get the water from la mesa, which is fed by angat et al.
while the angat water level is still fine, the la mesa level is already below critical.

so why is manilawater in crisis while maynilad is not?
i don't know.
my guess is, "there's something in here that we are not aware of".

Hinde, la mesa dam is for emergency lang/reserved dam. Pero nag draw na doon ang Manila water kaya naubos. Dapat hinde galaw in unless for emergency.


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[papi smith]

Kulang daw Ang allocation for Manila water coming from angat dam, and they cannot draw anymore from la Mesa dam because water is below their drawing pipes

EXPLAINER: Why is there a water shortage in Metro Manila? | ABS-CBN News

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[Yatta]

On the plus side.

[yubby24]

has any local community in the history of mankind, ever approved the construction of a dam in their community?

Pantabangan Dam. Though hindi naman yata lahat pumayag pero no choice sila.

[chronicle]

Kulang daw Ang allocation for Manila water coming from angat dam, and they cannot draw anymore from la Mesa dam because water is below their drawing pipes

EXPLAINER: Why is there a water shortage in Metro Manila? | ABS-CBN News

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On the graphic. It shows defficient ng .1B ang Manila Water. Eh ganon din naman Maynilad, supply is 2.4B while demand is 2.5B. So the x factor was the 7 percent from Laguna lake?

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