GUNS: Russia VS USA

[_Cathy_]

Which is a better gun maker? Russia or the United States?

My friend and I were talking about guns and he told me that the United states has a rich history in gun making. There are a lot of breakthroughs in gun making that were American. However, it is widely regarded, though debatable, that it was the Kalashnikov that won the Vietnam for the communists. So basically, it was Russia's AK47 vs USA's M16. Is this a case of one gun to rule them all or was the AK47 just a fluke?

[xninjax]

AK47 is one of the best guns ever made IMO
it can survive different weather conditions(while other are stuck, the AK47 can still fire under harsh weather conditions)..
that's why it's very popular around the world as a weapon of choice.(terrorists/druglords/lord of war <-warlord etc..)

The ak47/kalashnikov inventor is a national hero in RUSSIA if I'm not mistaken

[_Cathy_]

^AK47 is such a bad ass gun

Kaya pala pati mga terrorist sa Counter Strike AK47 gamit. lol.

[Vodka]

Which is a better gun maker? Russia or the United States?

My friend and I were talking about guns and he told me that the United states has a rich history in gun making. There are a lot of breakthroughs in gun making that were American. However, it is widely regarded, though debatable, that it was the Kalashnikov that won the Vietnam for the communists. So basically, it was Russia's AK47 vs USA's M16. Is this a case of one gun to rule them all or was the AK47 just a fluke?

well they have different design philosophies so you really can't say that russia makes better guns than the americans. i.e. the design goals for ak47 is different from the M16's. but i'm pretty sure the russians would not have phucked-up the M16 program like the americans did back in vietnam war hahaha. remember it's russian rockets that are now taking american astronauts to the ISS...

if i had a choice between ak47 or m16, i'd take the russian weapon

same thing if i had to choose between a makarov pistol or an american 1911

my username kinda gives it away already hahahaha

[chookchakchenes]

my username kinda gives it away already hahahaha

OT lang.

May napanuod ako dati 1990s gag show sinasabi kung ano gender/classification sa alcoholic drinks na iniinum mo.

Pale pilsen - tambay, OSY out of school youth

Super dry - pokpok

Vodka - dirty old gay

[Vodka]

OT lang.

May napanuod ako dati 1990s gag show sinasabi kung ano gender/classification sa alcoholic drinks na iniinum mo.

Pale pilsen - tambay, OSY out of school youth

Super dry - pokpok

Vodka - dirty old gay

so you're saying russians are dirty old gays?

i think your username is ridiculously gay

[chookchakchenes]

so you're saying russians are dirty old gays?

i think your username is ridiculously gay

OT ulit

Yung gag show dito sa pinas yun at philippine setting yung description nila.

Favorite ata sa chicos at club 690 ang vodka. hahahahahhaha

[Monseratto]

I know it's a shotgun...hehehe.

[chua_riwap]

Talo sa paltik mga yan.......

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[badkuk]

Dunno if it's the best, but the AK-47 is definitely a tough, rugged gun. i saw a docu once where they showed how one of the components(the hammer?) had a lot of play, so it's more forgiving when dust/water/rocks get into the chamber. Dunno if it's accurate though, i saw an episode of Lock n Loaded where the host was shooting an AK-47 in slow-mo: you can see the barrel wiggle after the bullet flies out -- not a gun expert but that can't be good.


As to the best gunmaker, i'd say the US, specifically John Moses Browning -- invented nearly all machine guns used by the US in the early 1900's. His M2, produced in 1933, is still being used today. He also made a lot of shotguns, including an automatic one

The poster sites the History Channel as the source of info

[kimpuy30]

AK47 is for stopping power while the M16 is for accuracy.


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[crosswind]

I will choose the AK47 anytime plus rather than the M16 which results sometime
in jam during firefight.
actually there are upgraded versions
of the AK47 called the AKM then followed by tha AK74
developed by Mikhail Kalashnikov

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PHILIPPINES!..DA BEST HOME MADE PALTIK MAKERS!

[foresterx]

dami wrong info dito.

USA has better guns than russia, russia only has the ak47 to brag about while USA has tons. the ak47 is one of the best and most reliable gun till today no doubt about that. but modern m16's are just as reliable as AK's now plus a lot more accurate than an AK, they have piston type m16's which uses the same platform as an AK. if i had to choose between an ak and m16 i'd choose the m16 over and over again because ammo is easy to find, parts and magazines are also easy to find unlike the ak where ammo,parts and magazine are pretty damn hard to find, accessories for the m16 are easily available in the market and you have tons of options that you can do. plus the m16's operation is pretty easy and everyone who has fired a rifle probably knows how to operate one, that's why new rifles that are coming out today are copying the m16's operation.

i'd love to have an ak someday because it's an all time classic gun but if we're going to war i'd rather grab an m16. if you want something that is more accurate than an m16 and has the stopping power of an ak get an m14.

[Vodka]

dami wrong info dito.

USA has better guns than russia, russia only has the ak47 to brag about while USA has tons. the ak47 is one of the best and most reliable gun till today no doubt about that. but modern m16's are just as reliable as AK's now plus a lot more accurate than an AK, they have piston type m16's which uses the same platform as an AK. if i had to choose between an ak and m16 i'd choose the m16 over and over again because ammo is easy to find, parts and magazines are also easy to find unlike the ak where ammo,parts and magazine are pretty damn hard to find, accessories for the m16 are easily available in the market and you have tons of options that you can do. plus the m16's operation is pretty easy and everyone who has fired a rifle probably knows how to operate one, that's why new rifles that are coming out today are copying the m16's operation.

i'd love to have an ak someday because it's an all time classic gun but if we're going to war i'd rather grab an m16. if you want something that is more accurate than an m16 and has the stopping power of an ak get an m14.

well don't forget the Makarov pistol. afaik it has the lowest parts count of any pistol. with a solid reputation for reliability. again it's not really about the "best" coz the definition of "best" depends on the criteria used

russian weapons had to be reliable under adverse conditions, and had to be cheap to manufacture, hence the stamped metal parts. should be inherently simple to the extent that they could be rather unrefined. the AK and Makarov definitely met those objectives

then of course you have to consider cost. AK's are simply a lot cheaper. period. so you could equip more of your guys for the same money. coz quantity has a quality of it's own hahahaha.

but if money wasn't an issue i'd probably get a bullpup...

[badkuk]

dami wrong info dito.

USA has better guns than russia, russia only has the ak47 to brag about while USA has tons. the ak47 is one of the best and most reliable gun till today no doubt about that. but modern m16's are just as reliable as AK's now plus a lot more accurate than an AK, they have piston type m16's which uses the same platform as an AK. if i had to choose between an ak and m16 i'd choose the m16 over and over again because ammo is easy to find, parts and magazines are also easy to find unlike the ak where ammo,parts and magazine are pretty damn hard to find, accessories for the m16 are easily available in the market and you have tons of options that you can do. plus the m16's operation is pretty easy and everyone who has fired a rifle probably knows how to operate one, that's why new rifles that are coming out today are copying the m16's operation.

i'd love to have an ak someday because it's an all time classic gun but if we're going to war i'd rather grab an m16. if you want something that is more accurate than an m16 and has the stopping power of an ak get an m14.

There must be a reason why this is a favorite of terrorists. tingin ko sa black market madaming piyesa. And i'm guessing the (un)traceability of the gun is also a factor?

Dunno if this was an urban myth, but the M-16 or the bullet(or both) is supposedly designed to rip out a kilo of flesh when it hits an enemy How true?

Watch the Modern Marvels episode on the M-16, very interesting stuff

[niky]

I will choose the AK47 anytime plus rather than the M16 which results sometime
in jam during firefight.
actually there are upgraded versions
of the AK47 called the AKM then followed by tha AK74
developed by Mikhail Kalashnikov

Jamming not really an issue unless you're in a steaming hot jungle with grit or mud inside the mechanism.

As foresterx says... the AK is not a very accurate gun.

Your chances of surviving a firefight are much greater if you can hit your opponents and incapacitate them first. I'd rather have a more accurate gun and not drop it in the mud like an idiot.

[Vodka]

Jamming not really an issue unless you're in a steaming hot jungle with grit or mud inside the mechanism.

As foresterx says... the AK is not a very accurate gun.

Your chances of surviving a firefight are much greater if you can hit your opponents and incapacitate them first. I'd rather have a more accurate gun and not drop it in the mud like an idiot.

mud and grit are exactly what you're gonna have in a **** hits the fan scenario or zombie apocalypse

AK is plenty accurate. remember these are "assault rifles" not sniper rifles. accuracy isn't the limiting factor. the reliability of the weapon and the shooter's skills and tactics are more important than ultimate accuracy

[SiRbossR]

mud and grit are exactly what you're gonna have in a **** hits the fan scenario or zombie apocalypse

AK is plenty accurate. remember these are "assault rifles" not sniper rifles. accuracy isn't the limiting factor. the reliability of the weapon and the shooter's skills and tactics are more important than ultimate accuracy

Have you ever seen an AK being shot? The recoil definitely kills the accuracy right there. Parang one by one lang pwedeng itira para accurate

[dr. d]

both the US and russia have their best guns.. both also have their share of forgettable models.

ak47 is rugged and will take unbelievable abuse and still keep firing. but it won't be a sniper's first choice.
m16 is a precision instrument, and demands reasonable care. but it is the more accurate weapon.

if you are a terrorist and you don't really care who your bullets will hit, you'll probably like the more rugged ak47.
if you must choose your targets, and you have the discipline to maintain your equipment, m16 for you.

parts and ammo availability? ...depends on what language the general population around you is speaking..