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    #501
    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    According to the Mayor, di na ipapabalik yung mga IS. Gov't property at katabi ng creek...
    Yan din ginawa sa Laperal compound in Guadalupe. Sunog tapos bawal na bumalik.

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    #502
    money talks

    gentrification

    gentrification - definition of gentrification by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    The restoration and upgrading of deteriorated urban property by middle-class or affluent people, often resulting in displacement of lower-income people.
    the restoration of run-down urban areas by the middle class (resulting in the displacement of low-income residents)
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    The process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces earlier usually poorer residents
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentrification

    Process whereby private or government-sponsored development of certain aging neighborhoods results in the displacement of low- or moderate-income families by the more affluent and leads to an increase in property values.
    Real Estate Glossary

    A process of change in the social and economic condition of urban neighborhoods where poorer original residents are replaced by newcomers from middle class and professional groups.
    bitbucket.icaap.org/dict.pl

    the renovation of the housing fabric in an old, usually inner-city area, when more affluent groups displace lower income groups en masse over a relatively short period of time. ...
    G - G8 to Guyot - Geography Dictionary

    The renovation and renewal of run-down inner-city environments through an influx of more affluent persons such as middle-class professionals. Has led to the displacement of poorer citizens. Associated with the development of gay areas in some cities.
    online glossary for Urban Social Geography, an Introduction

    A process whereby lower-income housing (or other buildings) are renovated for middle- and upper-income people and businesses. By definition, gentrification means the displacing of lower-income people through eviction, rising real estate values, or increased taxes. Contrast filtering.
    Glossary

    The redevelopment of existing housing stock with new housing forms, thus improving property values, but often displacing low-income residents and small businesses
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    Last edited by uls; July 11th, 2013 at 04:23 PM.

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    #503
    Quote Originally Posted by joemarski View Post
    'Yun palang squatters area malapit sa Makati Med.
    Dapat diyan pagkatapos ng sunog, gibain na rin pati 'yung mga hindi nasunog.
    Tapos patagin at ayusin... Bagay na bagay gawing mini sementeryo 'yan. :bwahaha:
    I never noticed that squatters area. Yan ba corner ng amorsolo and dela rosa?

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    #504
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy_boy View Post
    fire under control na daw sabi ni mayor.

    Napressure si meyor ng makati med..kaya ayon fire under control agad..di biro mga samot saring light materials making up a typical squatter shanty all transformed into flaming inferno..the resulting smoke and searing heat build-up threatens the fragile health of the high & mighty patients of makati med..naudlot ata meryenda ni meyor binay jr kagagawan ng sunog sa kalagitnaan ng makati central business district..ang tagal na siguro ng colony nayan jan..ang lakas talaga nila sa pamilyang binay non pa..

    Abangan na lang anong diskarte ni meyor dito...ibang klase talaga..

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    #505
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    money talks

    gentrification

    gentrification - definition of gentrification by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    the restoration of run-down urban areas by the middle class (resulting in the displacement of low-income residents)
    The process of renewal and rebuilding accompanying the influx of middle class or affluent people into deteriorating areas that often displaces earlier usually poorer residents
    ~snipped the rest~
    i would have no problem with your post except that gentrification is not wholly appropriate to the situation. residents should be considered as the rightful owners of (or at least having the right to be in) the places they reside in. squatters neither own or have the right to stay in lands they grabbed, and in most cases they even displaced the legitimate owners. yung legitimate owners pa ang hindi makagamit ng land they worked hard to pay for.

    gentrification is more appropriate to forceful buy-outs of low income apartments and houses to make way for the development of higher class properties.

    it is not "money talks". relocation of squatters is correct urban planning and development.

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    #506
    in an ideal world life is fair and just but in the real world money talks

    squatters are being driven out across MM coz land owners are taking advantage of the real estate boom

    they're either developing their land or selling their land to developers

    if based on economics low income people shouldnt be living on prime real estate

    eventually they'll be driven out by forces far stronger than their stubborness

    $$$ talks

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    #507
    squatters should be driven out of metro manila because they should be driven out - land owners have the right to use the land they own. local governments don't have the political will so it is left to private owners and corporations to do what is needed.

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    #508
    ^^^

    exactly

    leave it to economic forces

    if the govt can't or won't drive them out corporations can and will

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    #509
    nag start na ang mga construction sa North Triangle, start na din ito para palayasin mga squatter malapit sa area na yan, including sa Agham area.

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    #510
    That is, we talk about poverty, and what Pinoy social media becomes is matapobre.
    "they are also and ultimately citizens"
    The anti-squatter syndrome | The Manila Times Online

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    #511
    That article did not do anything aside from making my nose bleed. Paano siya maiintindihan ng mga skwater?

    I think she's also out of any real understanding on the issue (sorry but i did not fully read the article as it lacked the panache to keep readers like myself glued to it):

    The truth is this: the people who live in these communities are the lifeblood of any city’s underground economy. They are your contractual workers: the construction worker whose hands built that building you call office, the factory worker who allows you to have your Coke every day, the janitor or janitress in your school. They are the jeep and bus and MRT drivers, the ones who make sure you get to work, the tindera who sells you your yosi, the salesgirl at the mall who helps you choose a pair of shoes.
    That observation is true but she does not seem to dwell any deeper then that. What these employed squatters pay for the rent on their shanties or bed space or whatever is equivalent to or even more than the amortization on decent, socialized housing that can be funded by Pag-ibig/HDMF, etc. over a 20 to 30 year period. I know because that's what we're doing on the side (and believe me, after dealing with professional/syndicate squatters, I've sadly lost a lot of care for them when i see their settlements being burned down). Why doesn't the government do more of such projects then? Lack of support, lack of land within the NCR, ninas cogon, lack of political will, lack of coordination between agencies and the private sector, and basically a lot of vested interests within the parties involved. The other problem also is lack of documents to support the wage-earner squatters because they are informally employed, but in actuality they do earn enough to obtain a loan and amortize their own home (ampch, mas maganda pa nga gadgets nila kaysa sa akin).

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    #512
    So kung nawala ba yung mga squatters e luluwang na ang traffic? Jeepney and bus drivers daw sabi doon sa article. Baka yan na dapat gawin muna para lumuwang na ang traffic dito sa MM.

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    #513
    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    That article did not do anything aside from making my nose bleed. Paano siya maiintindihan ng mga skwater?

    I think she's also out of any real understanding on the issue (sorry but i did not fully read the article as it lacked the panache to keep readers like myself glued to it):



    That observation is true but she does not seem to dwell any deeper then that. What these employed squatters pay for the rent on their shanties or bed space or whatever is equivalent to or even more than the amortization on decent, socialized housing that can be funded by Pag-ibig/HDMF, etc. over a 20 to 30 year period. I know because that's what we're doing on the side (and believe me, after dealing with professional/syndicate squatters, I've sadly lost a lot of care for them when i see their settlements being burned down). Why doesn't the government do more of such projects then? Lack of support, lack of land within the NCR, ninas cogon, lack of political will, lack of coordination between agencies and the private sector, and basically a lot of vested interests within the parties involved. The other problem also is lack of documents to support the wage-earner squatters because they are informally employed, but in actuality they do earn enough to obtain a loan and amortize their own home (ampch, mas maganda pa nga gadgets nila kaysa sa akin).
    Yup hindi talaga maayos yung pagkakasulat nung article. But all she's really trying to say is that all everyone's doing nowadays is whine, and that social media has turned into a very matapobre community.

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    #514
    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Yup hindi talaga maayos yung pagkakasulat nung article. But all she's really trying to say is that all everyone's doing nowadays is whine, and that social media has turned into a very matapobre community.
    Social media is very, very full of armchair experts (and yes, we are likewise part of that). But it's also a very good source for information from people who have hands-on experience with day-to-day issues so it's always worth the open ear.

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    #515
    Quote Originally Posted by tagalnasaabroad View Post
    ..ang tagal na siguro ng colony nayan jan..ang lakas talaga nila sa pamilyang binay non pa..

    Abangan na lang anong diskarte ni meyor dito...ibang klase talaga..
    mga batang binay sila ... edi patirahin sa mga binay condos

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    #516
    My Mom said that area used to be a botanical garden so the city government owns it. I am not sure lang in what decade that was

    Ilan families kaya in those shanties. I had absolutely no idea na squatters area pala yan

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    #517
    Dyan pala nagre-rent ng kwarto yung guards ng branch ni missis. Umuwi yung isa ng maaga para silipin kung nadamay ang unit nila.

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    #518
    Quote Originally Posted by Cathy_for_you View Post
    My Mom said that area used to be a botanical garden so the city government owns it. I am not sure lang in what decade that was

    Ilan families kaya in those shanties. I had absolutely no idea na squatters area pala yan

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    ang pagkakasabi sa news more than 300 families daw

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    #519
    Quote Originally Posted by vinj View Post
    Social media is very, very full of armchair experts (and yes, we are likewise part of that). But it's also a very good source for information from people who have hands-on experience with day-to-day issues so it's always worth the open ear.
    Yerp social media was never matapobre on this issue its all about what's right. Kung di mo lupa abay umalis ka.

    The writer is just one ignorant lady and fails to understand that majority of the blue collar worker she's referring to are renting the house, room, or bed to the professional squatters.

    Which sounds much better than ignorant, doesn’t it? Though certainly the two work hand-in-hand in making us believe that we are correct to criticize these informal settlers for being what they are. After all, blindness allows us to refuse that these people exist, we only see what we believe. Ignorance is what we fall back on the moment we assert that these squatters have no right to resist demolition because they shouldn’t be there to begin with anyway.
    She's practically saying that it's fine to grab somebody else land because you're poor, what a goon. She's trying so hard to be righteous that she start to sound like a politician.

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    #520
    Quote Originally Posted by roninblade View Post
    squatters should be driven out of metro manila because they should be driven out - land owners have the right to use the land they own. local governments don't have the political will so it is left to private owners and corporations to do what is needed.

    Sa isang elected offical:

    1. The land owner my not even a registered voter in his area, and his vote only count as 1 (one)

    2. Squatters on the other hand were already registered as voters, and taking sides with with squatters gives a politician some hope to win in the election.


    Sa Philippines ang gumagawa ng illegal ay meron protection sa batas.

Huge Traffic Jam due to QC Squatter Demolition.