Application Similar to Carfax for Philippine Cars

[TholitzReloaded]

I've been thinking about this idea for quite sometime now, a car history vendor which will provide you with vehicle history whenever you plan to buy a 2nd hand car. The idea is not actually new, its been in the US since the 80's Carfax and Autocheck are two big players in this arena. I'm thinking wouldn't it be nice if we have similar vendor here that could give us this info when needed? say each vehicle history retrieval would amount to Php 1-2k, still a fare price to pay compared to buying a problematic vehicle right?

1) I want to know How huge the 2nd hand Car market in the Philippines, whether this idea would be feasible based on the market demand.
2) Would the Car Dealers (Campi) allow access to their database to be able to create a single repository of all vehicles available for a fee in the internet?


What do you think guys? I'm thinking of doing a start up for this.

[niky]

1.: The LTO does not carry data on secondhand vehicles. They don't keep records on change of registration (requested it through several people when researching an article but got no response) as a separate statistic from registration transactions. And most secondhand buyers do not re-register the vehicles in their name. It's not unusual to see third-hand vehicles still carrying the original owner's name on the CR.

2. Maybe. You'd also need access to insurance companies' databases. You would not be able to cover all repairs and accidents, as many are not reported, but it's a start.

[uls]

too many open deed of sale cars out there

many cars (specially older ones) aren't serviced at car dealers

we're too kuripot to pay for anything on the internet (if facebook begins charging 99% of pinoys will stop using facebook)... dunno if anyone will pay a couple of thousand bucks for vehicle history

a friend just bought a 1 yr old LC Prado. all he had to do was call the Toyota dealer where it was purchased from to check the history free of charge

[TholitzReloaded]

1.: The LTO does not carry data on secondhand vehicles. They don't keep records on change of registration (requested it through several people when researching an article but got no response) as a separate statistic from registration transactions. And most secondhand buyers do not re-register the vehicles in their name. It's not unusual to see third-hand vehicles still carrying the original owner's name on the CR.

2. Maybe. You'd also need access to insurance companies' databases. You would not be able to cover all repairs and accidents, as many are not reported, but it's a start.

1) I agree, there's lots of vehicles out there whose new owners does not register the vehicle to their name, but what I'm really after is the Service/Maintenance History records as well as Accidents Major, Minor or if its total wrecked and revived. With regards to LTO i think they have history of how many owners have already owned a particular car plate no.


2) Yes, I intend to link the insurance companies, including medium to big repairs shops aside from casa.

[TholitzReloaded]

too many open deed of sale cars out there

many cars (specially older ones) aren't serviced at car dealers

we're too kuripot to pay for anything on the internet (if facebook begins charging 99% of pinoys will stop using facebook)... dunno if anyone will pay a couple of thousand bucks for vehicle history

a friend just bought a 1 yr old LC Prado. all he had to do was call the Toyota dealer where it was purchased from to check the history free of charge

too many indeed, but if someone is seriously buying a second hand car worth more than 500k and above, wouldn't it be practical to really check the car's history? maybe its flooded or something.

The idea is to create a SAAS (Software As A Service) platform for all vehicle related history per plate number, will include:

1) No. Of Owners,
2) Service/Maintenance Records,
3) Insurance Claims
4) Criminal Liability, violations etc tag in the car.
5) If Car is Car-napped
6) let's include if car is public or private.

How?
1) If Campi and Car Dealers Permits, i will create a utility app (background worker/job) that would extract data from each Casa (nationwide) and upload it to the Cloud.
2) Create a Web Based app that would allow small, medium to big Repair shops to encode their repairs (something like a POS but designed for Vehicle Repairs).
3) Will also deploy this utility apps to existing insurance database and upload all the data to the cloud.

Unique Value Proposition would be.
A single repository of all vehicles history old and new accessible via the internet for a fee..

What do you think?

[cast_no_shadow]

too many indeed, but if someone is seriously buying a second hand car worth more than 500k and above, wouldn't it be practical to really check the car's history? maybe its flooded or something.

The idea is to create a SAAS (Software As A Service) platform for all vehicle related history per plate number, will include:

1) No. Of Owners,
2) Service/Maintenance Records,
3) Insurance Claims
4) Criminal Liability, violations etc tag in the car.
5) If Car is Car-napped
6) let's include if car is public or private.

How?
1) If Campi and Car Dealers Permits, i will create a utility app (background worker/job) that would extract data from each Casa (nationwide) and upload it to the Cloud.
2) Create a Web Based app that would allow small, medium to big Repair shops to encode their repairs (something like a POS but designed for Vehicle Repairs).
3) Will also deploy this utility apps to existing insurance database and upload all the data to the cloud.

Unique Value Proposition would be.
A single repository of all vehicles history old and new accessible via the internet for a fee..

What do you think?

I like the idea.

but its a very looooooooooooong and hard shot to have it done.

to add up andami mo dapat kausapin to integrate everything.

and how can you impose everyone to use the system?

how about those fly by night shops?

mga nakatayo na mekaniko along the road (banawe?)

[uls]

how can you get everyone to cooperate?

casas, non-casas, insurance companies....

unless meron sila incentive to cooperate

[foresterx]

I like the idea.

but its a very looooooooooooong and hard shot to have it done.

to add up andami mo dapat kausapin to integrate everything.

and how can you impose everyone to use the system?

how about those fly by night shops?

mga nakatayo na mekaniko along the road (banawe?)

i agree with this, it's pretty much impossible to monitor everything and give an accurate detail. great idea though but with our system it will be pretty much next to impossible to be done properly.

[cast_no_shadow]

Maybe in a perfect world.

[uls]

let's say meron ako repair shop

what's in it for me to "encode" or upload to the cloud what my shop did to customers' cars?

kasi kung voluntary lang why would i do that? dagdag trabaho lang yan

[TholitzReloaded]

how can you get everyone to cooperate?

casas, non-casas, insurance companies....

unless meron sila incentive to cooperate

That's also what i'm thinking about, how CarFax in the US was able to pull those data, or maybe theirs legislation?

I'm not sure maybe they get a share from the Fee?

[TholitzReloaded]

I like the idea.

but its a very looooooooooooong and hard shot to have it done.

to add up andami mo dapat kausapin to integrate everything.

and how can you impose everyone to use the system?

how about those fly by night shops?

mga nakatayo na mekaniko along the road (banawe?)

ung mga nakatayo na mecaniko di na un kasama syempre, we are just talking about legit companies/shops.

the idea basically is that if you have this history report it will add to your confidence to the car you are buying..

Yeah I think its long shot but it can be done...

[TholitzReloaded]

let's say meron ako repair shop

what's in it for me to "encode" or upload to the cloud what my shop did to customers' cars?

kasi kung voluntary lang why would i do that? dagdag trabaho lang yan

they get some sort of share from the fees collected? no value yet but basically yes they can get a share from that.

[uls]

pwede siguro if the shop gets paid for every upload

but then you'll need a lot of upfront capital

[uls]

so you gotta create your database first

naturally companies will know you're intention is to make money from the information you're asking them to provide

so they'll charge you for that information

so you'll need a lot of capital to build the database

[uls]

they get some sort of share from the fees collected? no value yet but basically yes they can get a share from that.

so shops provide the information first? with the promise that they'll get paid after somebody pays for the information?

parang mahirap ang ganyan

kung ako ang shop tanong ko how will i know kung may bumili ng information? what's my guarantee na babayaran ako?

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and dagdag trabaho lang yan para sa staff ko (to upload info sa cloud)

there's very little incentive to cooperate

promise of getting paid is not really an incentive

[uls]

chicken or egg

to make people pay for the service you gotta have a database

to build the database you need money

where does the money come from? customers

but customers arent gonna pay if there's no database yet

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you need angel investors

pitch the idea to venture capitalists

it they like the idea they'll fund you

[Manilablock]

chicken or egg

to make people pay for the service you gotta have a database

to build the database you need money

where does the money come from? customers

but customers arent gonna pay if there's no database yet

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you need angel investors

pitch the idea to venture capitalists

it they like the idea they'll fund you

Kaya lang sir sa nakikita ko attractive ka nyan sa mga chop chop shops (car nappers), hindi sila papayag na magkaroon nyan, and ung mga naambunan ng galing sa masama.

maganda po ang concept na gusto nyo, pero for your own safety I think it is not worth it.

Pero if you are really into cars, why not set up your own shop.

[TholitzReloaded]

chicken or egg

to make people pay for the service you gotta have a database

to build the database you need money

where does the money come from? customers

but customers arent gonna pay if there's no database yet

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you need angel investors

pitch the idea to venture capitalists

it they like the idea they'll fund you

I'm thinking about it, but need to work on the lean canvass first.

[niky]

Yeah. It's a money issue. To build a good database, even just the outline of a database system, you'll need capital. And to get customers, you'll need to advertise. The online car ad sites earn big time, but they spend millions. I don't think a car history service can compete with that.