Explosion at Glorietta?

[jonski]

‘Kuya’ tells Trillanes to put up or shut up

By Gil C. Cabacungan Jr.
Inquirer
Last updated 05:01am (Mla time) 10/23/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV was told by his “kuya” -- Sen. Gregorio “Gringo” Honasan -- to back off from accusations the Arroyo administration was behind the Glorietta mall blast without any shred of proof.

Honasan also cautioned fellow “mistah” -- Sen. Panfilo “Ping” Lacson -- to go slow in demanding the resignation of National Security Adviser Norberto Gonzales and wait for more concrete findings from bomb experts.

Kuya in Filipino means eldest brother. Mistah refers to graduates of the Philippine Military Academy.

Honasan, a PMA alumnus and former Army colonel, said he was not disappointed with the pace of the police investigation that centered now on whether the blast was caused by a liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) tank or RDX, a component of the military explosive C4.

“I appreciate what they are going through as they shifted from LPG to RDX and back to the accident theory. It shows that they’re moving,” Honasan said in a press conference at the Senate.

He said Trillanes and Lacson were mixing speculation with politics.

“That’s counterproductive,” Honasan said. “We should allow them to do their work before we make any comment. We should appreciate the job of bomb experts and policemen.”

Just hours after the Glorietta mall explosion on Friday, Trillanes accused the administration of carrying out the bombing to divert public attention away from the scandals buffeting President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.

Trillanes had looked upon Honasan as his role model in forming the Magdalo group that staged the failed mutiny at the Oakwood luxury apartments in Makati’s commercial district in 2003. He referred to Honasan, who led several failed coup attempts against President Corazon Aquino and was briefly jailed in connection with the Oakwood caper, as “kuya.”

The two had a falling out after Honasan reportedly forged a deal with the Arroyo administration and was released from detention while Trillanes continued to languish behind bars for the same rebellion charges filed against Honasan.

Resignation calls premature

Honasan said that while there was a sense of urgency to determine the cause of the blast, it would be “presumptuous” to dictate how soon the findings should be made.

This is why, Honasan said, it is “premature” to call for the resignation of government officials.

“The investigation has yet to be completed and already people are being asked to resign. Let us give the investigating agencies the chance to finish their work especially with foreign experts giving them assistance,” he said.

Lacson had previously called for the resignation of Gonzales for “gross failure of intelligence” for not getting any inkling of the bomb attack at Glorietta beforehand despite the vast resources at his disposal.

Honasan said he had doubts whether the blast was a terrorist attack because “there were few casualties, there was no fragment, or shrapnel, or fire.”

“With drums of oil, with methane in an enclosed space in a basement, you can expect that kind of effect,” he said.

Practice restraint

Senate Majority Leader Francis Pangilinan, calling the word war between Trillanes and Gonzales “very distasteful,” said that “the last thing we should be doing now is to throw baseless accusations at one another.”

“The only responsible thing to do right now is to practice restraint in issuing malicious statements and innuendoes ... When we make serious accusations without hard evidence, we are doing a disservice to the nation because these charges and countercharges are just confusing the public even more,” Pangilinan said.

In Cebu City, Environment Secretary Lito Atienza Monday defended Ms Arroyo from insinuations she ordered Friday’s bombing to divert attention from charges she had bribed congressmen into accepting a “sham” impeachment move against her.

“No matter how much you don’t like President Arroyo, the President isn’t capable of thinking to harm anyone,” he told reporters here.

Atienza said Trillanes and the public should learn from the lessons of the 1971 Plaza Miranda bombing, which the opposition blamed on then President Ferdinand Marcos, but which turned out to be the handiwork of the Communist Party of the Philippines.

Philippine National Police Director General Avelino Razon described Trillanes’ accusation as “irresponsible.” With reports from Dona Z. Pazzibugan, TJ Burgonio and Alcuin Papa

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[badkuk]

hmmm...kung nawasak ung septic tank, dapat me "jebris"na kumalat di ba? and the dapat mangangamoy ung place?

narinig ko sa Love radio that the mixture of methane and diesel could produce RDX kuno. pwede nga ba? ang impression ko sa RDX/C4 is that it's more complex to make.

[carscout]

Actually, Friday lunch is also a busy time for the Malls.



11 dead and maybe more than 80 injured? Isn't that quite a lot? It's quite a statement to bomb a mall like Glorietta. Even if they say it was an accident, it would be such a big issue on ALI Engineering to allow such an accident.

Just my reaction. Couldn't help it. Peace.

I am speaking with regards to the precise timing the bomb was detonated. It looks like there was a forward observer for who gave a go signal for less collateral damage (ever wonder why no single security guards have been injured?). An explosion with that magnitude could have effected tremendous casualties.

Speaking from a person who have been around explosives stand point, a blast like that, if intended to get maximum damaged and injuries could have been easily rigged with improvised shrapnels. Put 5 kg ordinary household nails with pyro powder would have created more devastating effect.

[fourtheboys96]

well trillanes is the bomb expert right???

he knows how to push his own agenda through the use of bombs.

a day after the explosion, he has his own conclusion about the incident.

genius!

[carscout]

The October 21, 2007 editorial in the Philippine Daily Inquirer notes the sadness of our country, the fact that there are so many suspects in this bombing. The real tragedy, however, is that for a great many Filipinos and other residents, including this one, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and her government are among the suspects. This is not the assessment of wild-eyed conspiracy theorists, but of average work-a-day people.

[shadow]

*jonski...yun quote bro......hehehehe

para matapos na itong mga speculation kung bomb ba talaga or something...

can somebody bring these guys over?

[carscout]

well trillanes is the bomb expert right???

he knows how to push his own agenda through the use of bombs.

a day after the explosion, he has his own conclusion about the incident.

genius!

I am not a fan of Sen Trillanes, so I tried to look and research what kind of person he is before I spew some personal attack on his person. I did find some interesting things, and to those who want to personally attack him you can do that on his website if you want so he can personally read it.

www.trillanes.magdalo.net

For a Senator incarcerated in a prison, its interesting to see that he might have outdone most of the Senators we have right now in terms of passing relevant Bills and resolutions that will benefits most of the Filipinos.

[ghosthunter]

[SIZE="5"]Is there a CLEAR picture of the hole in the floor of Glorietta 2? ... The hole will give the proper clue if the hole was made by an explosiion ABOVE or BELOW it. I assume the flooring would have steel rods to reinforce it.

If the steel rods are bend UPWARDS, then the explosion came from below the floor.

If the steel rods are bend DOWN, then the explosion came from above the floor.

Anyone with a CLEAR picture of the hole in the floor??? [/SIZE]

[froshie1]

Peeps who went malling to Gloarietta/ Park Sq 2 2-3 months ago actually dati pa iyon.. Do you see smoke coming out of the vents when you park at Park Square 2 lalo na pag nasa 4th level kayo? Di kaya, may connection ito doon sa "system glitch" ng Glorietta?

Naaawa ako doon sa mga workers ng car park tinitiis iyong mabahong usok pero most of it parang usok na galing sa kinakainan. Di kaya naka contribute ito, parang time bomb in the making? Tinawag ko ito dati sa mga guards ng parking at ang sagot eh matagal na pong ganyan at hindi inaayos

[claRkEnt]

big question still ay kung bakit walang feedback na mabaho sa "ground zero"? there had been lots of footages and wala man lang pinakitang nababahuan ang mga investigators. If the explosion was because of the accumulated methane gas from the septictank, then the concentration of the gas would be higher near the source (which is the septic tank) and it would have blown that tank to pieces and scatter everything it contains.

what happens kasi is that these people are so confident na whatever they say, palalampasin na lang ng tao. which is really the case. we have been so passive na!

[Monseratto]

The hole ata that was seen in the pictures used to be a stairwell na covered up na daw.

Here's a CP video inside of the mall itself right after the explosion.

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/13121/Vi...orietta-2-Mall

[Flagg]

Galit na si GH...

[A121]

I am not a fan of Sen Trillanes, so I tried to look and research what kind of person he is before I spew some personal attack on his person. I did find some interesting things, and to those who want to personally attack him you can do that on his website if you want so he can personally read it.

www.trillanes.magdalo.net

For a Senator incarcerated in a prison, its interesting to see that he might have outdone most of the Senators we have right now in terms of passing relevant Bills and resolutions that will benefits most of the Filipinos.

tumatakbo kang senador para pagsilbihan ang mamamayan at hindi magpabagsak ng presidente. sayang lang siya kung iba motibo nya.

[ghosthunter]

big question still ay kung bakit walang feedback na mabaho sa "ground zero"? there had been lots of footages and wala man lang pinakitang nababahuan ang mga investigators. If the explosion was because of the accumulated methane gas from the septictank, then the concentration of the gas would be higher near the source (which is the septic tank) and it would have blown that tank to pieces and scatter everything it contains.

That is exactly why I find the methane gas explosion explanation hard to swallow. That and the stupid suggestion of the diesel fuel tank exploding suggestion.

Add to the "****-hits-the-fan" that did not happen. If the septic tank did explode, all the **** inside would have been scattered around the area of ground zero and further. (Do enough homemade explosives and you can get a hang of how far something can be tossed by how much explosives.)

[noj]

mas aabangan ko pa yung sasabihin ng mga imbestigador ng ayala.

[6shooter]

Peeps who went malling to Gloarietta/ Park Sq 2 2-3 months ago actually dati pa iyon.. Do you see smoke coming out of the vents when you park at Park Square 2 lalo na pag nasa 4th level kayo? Di kaya, may connection ito doon sa "system glitch" ng Glorietta?

Naaawa ako doon sa mga workers ng car park tinitiis iyong mabahong usok pero most of it parang usok na galing sa kinakainan. Di kaya naka contribute ito, parang time bomb in the making? Tinawag ko ito dati sa mga guards ng parking at ang sagot eh matagal na pong ganyan at hindi inaayos

paano po ang conspiracy theory niyo? o kasama po ito dun?

[_Cathy_]

Peeps who went malling to Gloarietta/ Park Sq 2 2-3 months ago actually dati pa iyon.. Do you see smoke coming out of the vents when you park at Park Square 2 lalo na pag nasa 4th level kayo? Di kaya, may connection ito doon sa "system glitch" ng Glorietta?

Naaawa ako doon sa mga workers ng car park tinitiis iyong mabahong usok pero most of it parang usok na galing sa kinakainan. Di kaya naka contribute ito, parang time bomb in the making? Tinawag ko ito dati sa mga guards ng parking at ang sagot eh matagal na pong ganyan at hindi inaayos

Yun ba yung parating amoy BBQ? Hinahanap ko nga kung san nanggagaling yung smoke and smell of BBQ. Sobrang lakas na parang nasa upper floor lang yung nagluluto ng BBQ

[Lucius]

Umeksena na naman yang Trillanes na yan. San ba nya nakuha source nya? Sa friend nya sa Friendster?

Kung ang utak ng mga pulis natin pang-international ang skills, hours lang solved na yan.

[chua_riwap]

That is exactly why I find the methane gas explosion explanation hard to swallow. That and the stupid suggestion of the diesel fuel tank exploding suggestion.

Add to the "****-hits-the-fan" that did not happen. If the septic tank did explode, all the **** inside would have been scattered around the area of ground zero and further. (Do enough homemade explosives and you can get a hang of how far something can be tossed by how much explosives.)

Another cover-up?

[froshie1]

Another cover-up?

di ba may balita na nagkakaron ng away ang PNP at Military sa pagkuha ng ebidensya?