Cold War, up again???

[jonski]

If European countries felt threatened by Australia would the US be willing to allow a missile defence system on American soil.......I doubt it!

The Russians are not stupid and they recognise bullshit when they hear it.
I'm suprised the yanks can keep a straight face pretending it's for Europe's benefit.

[wildthing]

That could really be true...IMO War is a big business (for US).

[oliver1013]

1960's Khruschev placed missiles in Cuba, protection daw ni Castro
Kennedy nagalit ayaw nila may missile sa tabi nila..nag backdown si Khruschev

Ngayon US maglalagay missile sa Europe proptection from Iran? E may K din siguro Moscow na ayaw nila may missile sa tabi nila

[Jun aka Pekto]

1960's Khruschev placed missiles in Cuba, protection daw ni Castro
Kennedy nagalit ayaw nila may missile sa tabi nila..nag backdown si Khruschev

Ngayon US maglalagay missile sa Europe proptection from Iran? E may K din siguro Moscow na ayaw nila may missile sa tabi nila

The big difference between the two is that the missiles the Russians put in Cuba are intermediate-range ICBM's designed to destroy cities in the US. They were offensive missiles with nuclear warheads. One of those Russian missiles with 2 or 3 warheads can erase an entire city.

The kind of missile the US will use in the missile shield is designed to destroy another missile. It should be relatively short-ranged and the warhead is most likely a fragmentation type, like a grenade. The whole inventory can be fired on one city and they'll barely make a dent assuming they have the range in the first place.

I'm with Putin, though. If there's an agreement between the US and Russia not to install a missile defense shield in Europe, then the US should abide by that agreement.

[oldblue]

bakit kaya hindi na lang tayo lagyan ng missile shield

[VtEC]

bakit kaya hindi na lang tayo lagyan ng missile shield

Good thinking there OB, maybe you could ask uncle sam about the latest on their starwar program (tama ba?) by the late ronald reagan..What happened to that program?anybody?

[Flagg]

Di siguro magreklamo si Putin kung yung shield gawa ni Invisible Girl... :inlove:

[jackal04]

bakit kaya hindi na lang tayo lagyan ng missile shield

tol sa pananaw ko di na kailangan ng missile defence system ang pinas... kasi lugi yung titira sa atin ng missile... mas mahal yung missile nila kaysa yung target hehe... ano ba military installation tayo na kailangang protektahan+

dapat sa atin eh rocket defence system.... panguntra sa mga raket ng mga isat kalahating gago na mga pulitiko..

[jackal04]

bakit kaya hindi na lang tayo lagyan ng missile shield

tol sa pananaw ko di na kailangan ng missile defence system ang pinas... kasi lugi yung titira sa atin ng missile... mas mahal yung missile nila kaysa yung target hehe... ano ba military installation tayo na kailangang protektahan+

dapat sa atin eh rocket defence system.... panguntra sa mga raket ng mga isat kalahating gago na mga pulitiko..

[Hanren]

The kind of missile the US will use in the missile shield is designed to destroy another missile. It should be relatively short-ranged and the warhead is most likely a fragmentation type, like a grenade. The whole inventory can be fired on one city and they'll barely make a dent assuming they have the range in the first place.

I'm with Putin, though. If there's an agreement between the US and Russia not to install a missile defense shield in Europe, then the US should abide by that agreement.

From what i've read, the missile defense system is like trying to shoot a moving bullet with another moving bullet. There was only one successful test of this system (intercepting an incoming missle with another missle) but previous tests failed.

Hot topic ito sa G8 summit in Germany. I think Russia will still try to assert themselves in the world stage given their new found economic power. Yung mga interviews ng Russian officials sa international news media is proof that they are not backing down on their stance.

IMO, Russia fears that the shield will actually cover their territory. But if you read between the lines, its not much about territorial issues. Its about playing politics in the international arena.

Many hardliners in Russia still dreamt of that old Soviet might. That's where pressure comes in. Putin has to pacify these people and at the same time, show the world that it still is a force to contend with. Just my 2cents.

[Jun aka Pekto]

But if you read between the lines, its not much about territorial issues. Its about playing politics in the international arena.

That's about it. I can't really blame the Russians. All throughout the Cold War and afterwards, they've been perceived as the "bad guys" with stories about horrific purges, massacres, pogroms, etc which were probably all true. It'd make sense if they feel obligated to return the favor.

OT

As for Chavez..... He's harmless besides making gasoline more expensive for everyone. If the US sold him the military hardware he asked for in the first place, Chavez probably wouldn't be making much noise (anti-US rhetoric). Beats me why the US wouldn't sell him more F-16s... They're 30-year old designs and near the end of their service life. Chavez did what I would've done, buy newer Sukhoi SU-30's instead.

[Hanren]

That's about it. I can't really blame the Russians. All throughout the Cold War and afterwards, they've been perceived as the "bad guys" with stories about horrific purges, massacres, pogroms, etc which were probably all true. It'd make sense if they feel obligated to return the favor.

OT

As for Chavez..... He's harmless besides making gasoline more expensive for everyone. If the US sold him the military hardware he asked for in the first place, Chavez probably wouldn't be making much noise (anti-US rhetoric). Beats me why the US wouldn't sell him more F-16s... They're 30-year old designs and near the end of their service life. Chavez did what I would've done, buy newer Sukhoi SU-30's inste

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Agree. The Russians have been depicted as having lived through brutal regimes. But they have lived through it. That's the stigma attached to its Soviet past. Nature has a way of balancing things. With these events, it might be an opportunity for them to do the opposite (return the favor).

OT:As for Chavez, he sold cheap gasoline to poor US residents. He uses his oil resources as a potent weapon. But lately, he has to contend more with the internal turmoil in his country rather than take up on the US. He closed down TV station and is planning to clamp down on more.

We never ran out of the extra ordinary events in this world triggering chaos and disorder. He might even be the cause of next world war when the world is not looking.

[mazdamazda]

From what i've read, the missile defense system is like trying to shoot a moving bullet with another moving bullet. There was only one successful test of this system (intercepting an incoming missle with another missle) but previous tests failed.

That's why there's a need to deploy them closer to the suspected launch sites of rogue ballistic missiles.

Hot topic ito sa G8 summit in Germany. I think Russia will still try to assert themselves in the world stage given their new found economic power. Yung mga interviews ng Russian officials sa international news media is proof that they are not backing down on their stance.

IMO, Russia fears that the shield will actually cover their territory. But if you read between the lines, its not much about territorial issues. Its about playing politics in the international arena.

Many hardliners in Russia still dreamt of that old Soviet might. That's where pressure comes in. Putin has to pacify these people and at the same time, show the world that it still is a force to contend with. Just my 2cents.

Putin is just rattling his saber before the elections next year IMO. Some Russian officials have even acknowledged that this missile system doesn't pose a threat to their nuclear arsenal.

[uls]

Those interceptors cannot deter multiple independent re-entry warheads which the russians have.

The interceptors are for psychological security.

[Hanren]

Putin is just rattling his saber before the elections next year IMO. Some Russian officials have even acknowledged that this missile system doesn't pose a threat to their nuclear arsenal.

Authoritarian states like Russia need to have a strong case for being one (authoritarian). They have to find an "enemy" outside to justify its hold on power because if it fails to present a strong case, then its people may force the state to embrace democratic reforms. Its like saying 'cmon let's become a strong state so that we will be able to counter the threat of the west- Democracy may only weaken us' ..

In reality though, the threat may not even exist... In the long run however, there will always be these kinds of conflicts because heads of states are there to represent the interests of their people.

[oldblue]

From what i've read, the missile defense system is like trying to shoot a moving bullet with another moving bullet. There was only one successful test of this system (intercepting an incoming missle with another missle) but previous tests failed.

kung ganito labanan talo tayo lahat sa China, yun kungfu nila can shoot an arrow with an arrow eh

[uls]

e ung catching a fly with chopsticks?

[mazdamazda]

If European countries felt threatened by Australia would the US be willing to allow a missile defence system on American soil.......I doubt it!

The Russians are not stupid and they recognise bullshit when they hear it.
I'm suprised the yanks can keep a straight face pretending it's for Europe's benefit.

Well, they'll be deploying it in European (NATO) not Russian soil.

Plus, a missile defense is also good for rogue missiles fired inadvertently by a computer malfunction or a crazy field commander.

If the shield is for US, they could've just deployed it in secrecy in Alaska, Hawaii or Canada.

[empy]

teka, malabo nga yata that you put a missile defense system in the Czech Republic to counter a threat from Iran :hihihi:


kailan ba mabubuo ang ion cannon? :devil:

[oliver1013]

Si tanya lang o si black lotus katapat niyan