Boycott Greenhills move launched; pabor ka ba dito?

[squala]

Originally posted by van_wilder
im against the building of a mosque... im not against muslim... well they do have a right to build a mosque as long as sa kanila yun lugar... pero ewan, parang ayoko talaga sila sa greenhills eh...

Well, having posted the fact that you dislike Muslims is really irrevelant in this argument. It's definitely a lousy reason to prevent the building of a mosque in Greenhills. Go resent them for all I care, but you must live and let live.

[van_wilder]

Originally posted by squala
Well, having posted the fact that you dislike Muslims is really irrevelant in this argument. It's definitely a lousy reason to prevent the building of a mosque in Greenhills. Go resent them for all I care, but you must live and let live.

i never said that i dislike them. i said i am not against muslims, i have good friends na muslims. however i am not in favor of building a mosque in greenhills.

ayoko lang po ng crowded na lugar. wala naman akong say kung magtayo sila eh. i wont protest, i just dont like it. sino naman ako para pumigil. well crowded na kasi dun eh, lalo pa magsisiksikan yun mga tao. i am not against constrution of mosques and chapels, pero sana naman ilugar nila. yun lang po.

[RedHorse]

looks like, eto ang kwento behind the scenes!


from inq7:


THE MONTESSORI school of Ambassador Preciosa Soliven is asking the Ortigas family that runs the Greenhills Shopping Center and areas to donate an area for additional parking lots for the school's expanding population.

In exchange, Soliven will drop her and her husband's media blitzkrieg against the Ortigas & Co. plan to build a new prayer room -- or "mosque," as the Solivens insist on calling it -- for the Muslim vendors in the Greenhills mall.

[RedHorse]

Preciosa Soliven...

parang ito ang asawa ni Max Soliven of Philstar.

hmmn...

[pajerokid]

TJMAXX, you said it bro. I didnt want to be the first to say it, but yeah.... dont turn your back on them if you know what's good for you.


And besides, matagal nang gustong paalisin yang mga traders from greenhills, but let me reiterate.... THEY DID THREATEN TO BOMB THE PLACE. So much for a religion of peace.

[Auto_Xer]

Sorry to the bleeding hearts out there but, last time I went to Virramall it wasn't a very fun experience like it used to be.

People walking up to you & asking if I wanted **** vcd's or dvd's.

Damn it! If I want **** vcd's or dvd's I'll ask you for it, no need to shove in my face.

Imo, GHSC has been going downhill for quite some time & the vendors who are ill mannered & ill tempered are to blame.

It's not going to be some place I'm going to let my kids go to alone if at all if it keeps up.

[theveed]

Basta sakin walang religion walang gulo sa territoryo... pag may religion ang usapan, kahil ilang centuries di mareresolba yan... Majority vs Minority crap... I hate passing by church areas pag sundays, barado lahat ng kalsada etc... Anong right ng church goers to do that sa road? ok lang maging parking lot ang public street pag linggo? Hindi porke mas madami at "accepted" ang pagsisimba kaya ok lang gawin mga yun...

Mosque, Temple, Simbahan, lahat above the law pagdating ng worship day...

In short, against ako maglagay ng kahit anong religious structure sa shopping malls.

[niky]

Originally posted by theveed
Basta sakin walang religion walang gulo sa territoryo... pag may religion ang usapan, kahil ilang centuries di mareresolba yan... Majority vs Minority crap... I hate passing by church areas pag sundays, barado lahat ng kalsada etc... Anong right ng church goers to do that sa road? ok lang maging parking lot ang public street pag linggo? Hindi porke mas madami at "accepted" ang pagsisimba kaya ok lang gawin mga yun...

Mosque, Temple, Simbahan, lahat above the law pagdating ng worship day...

In short, against ako maglagay ng kahit anong religious structure sa shopping malls.

Word... let crass materialism have its place, and let religion have its place... no need to mix the two. If the village associations object to the Mosque, though... they should object to the chapel, too... it's only fair.

As for the bomb threat issue, it's really saddening. I've had Muslim friends who are just as Christian in their outlook on life as the best Catholics (and Catholic acquaintances as bloodthirsty as the worst inquisitors)... it's an unfair stereotype probably being mistakenly propagated and exploited by some of the Muslim traders there... affecting the reputation and relations of Muslims with the public in general.

[boydapa]

yun mga namumugot sa iraq balita ko pagkatapos nila pugutan yun hostage kumakanta sila ng "papuri sa dyos(allah), papuri sa dyos(allah)..."

[jmj74]

in the first place,a worship area ( muslim and christian alike ) shouldnt have permitted.
small problem like this may lead us all to danger!! napaka ganga pa naman mag shopping diyan-completos ricados!

MARKET! MARKET! will be the next GH daw, it has the potential but konte pa ang shops. ( pero crowd is full ) siguro eventually will prosper kase back-up by THE AYALAS....

Peace :-)

[totoybato]

magpatayo din sila ng simbahang kristyano sa Tawi Tawi para kwits na lang, peaceful co-existence? sa papel lang maganda yan, baka nalimutan na natin ang Balkan countries, Bosnia , Serbia, Albania, etc, wag na tayong lumayo, diyan lang sa Indonesia, nagkakatayan din sila, kaya ako, di ako pabor dyan sa mosque, madaming muslim equals magulong lugar, kaya di ako pabor diyan. Tama yung isang nagsabi, aalukin ka ng **** DVD's kahit may kasama kang anak na bata. Opinion ko lang po ito.

[quindoyos]

Originally posted by TJMaxx
...Anybody who has fought in Mindanao will tell you not to trust a Moro and not to turn your back on a Moro. Mindanao Muslims are a different breed. Sorry, but that's the way it is. We don't like them, they don't like us..

...Peacful coexistence? Bah...Never happened...Never will...

OT: have you fought in mindanao sir? what area?

[dyelibins]

Originally posted by totoybato
magpatayo din sila ng simbahang kristyano sa Tawi Tawi para kwits na lang...

meron pong simbahan sa Tawi-Tawi, meron sa Jolo, meron din sa Cotabato City. been there.

Originally posted by theveed
... against ako maglagay ng kahit anong religious structure sa shopping malls.

how about yung nasa hallway ng megamall kapag occupied ang mega trade hall?

Originally posted by boydapa
yun mga namumugot sa iraq balita ko pagkatapos nila pugutan yun hostage kumakanta sila ng "papuri sa dyos(allah), papuri sa dyos(allah)..."

they are the Muslim extremists. ask the Muslim fundamentalists and even they condemn such terror acts. check on the statistics of the number of Muslims who also long for peace.

[bilog]

religion is one of the reasons why conflicts among citizens arise. it is a sensitive issue that needs to be dealt with equality and fairly. we should not treat muslims as instigators or aggressors. i am not against muslim, nor their belief. there are hard core muslims and there are the fundamentalist. they too search for peaceful coexistence.
but i am against putting up of place of worship inside a mall, whether catholic or muslim church.

[badkuk]

re the Cocktales and Soliven thing...me personal grudge sa isa't isa si Victor Agustin and Max Soliven; i think me blind item dati sa Cocktales about a "favorite publisher"(i.e. Max Soliven), and kumontra naman on PhilStar's SpyBiz si Soliven about Agustin's inaccuracies and ***ual orientation/escapades.

try to keep this is mind when reading both columns; nagkapersonalan ka nasi ;).

[theveed]

dyelibins: nope, istorbo.

[kimpOy]

apologies to firewire

here's the letter sent by the Federation of Greenhills Associations (of which Preciosa Soliven represents North Greenhills as Chairman) to JV Ejercito

Dear Mayor,

We write to express our united stand against the establishment of a Muslim Mosque in the Greenhills Shopping Center (GSC) in San Juan owned by The Ortigas and Co. Ltd. Partnership.

In a letter dated September 23, 2004 addressed to Atty. Rafael Ortigas, Jr. (snip) we stated emphatically our position why we are opposing the establishment of the said mosque. It is very clear in the said letter that the issues involved are economic and the preservation of our way of life and not religious.

As pointed out in our letter to Mr. Ortigas, it has been the sad experience of all communities where Muslim Mosques were allowed to open that said act started the so-called "Muslimization" and deterioration of communities which were otherwise peaceful, economically well off and in a way self sufficient.

The latest example of the failure of the Policy of accomodation of the Muslims is in Taguig particularly the so-called "Maharlika Village". This village was established years ago. It was supposed to be an example of an ideal community where Christians and Muslims live in peaceful co-existence. It has now become a big economic as well as peace and order problem (snip) We enclose herewith an article in the Philippine Star dated September 25, 2004 detailing precisely what happened to Maharlikha Village in Taguig which we do not want to happen in San Juan.

If you will notice in the said article, the Muslims were not even identified as the ones living in Maharlika Village but it is public knowledge that it is so. It just proves that even newspaper reporters are afraid of antagonizing the Muslims because of their reputation for taking aggressive steps in dealing with their perceived enemies. We certainly do not want that to happen in our beloved San Juan.

The establishment of a Mosque in the Greenhills Shopping Center will act like a magnet for other Muslims living outside of San Juan to come and pray at the Mosque. This will surely add to our problems in peace and order, sanitation and traffic congestion to say the least and ultimately to the physical and economic deterioration of Greenhills.

(snip)

As stated in our letter to Mr. Ortigas, "what we are fighting for is the preservation of our way of life free from fear and threats". Surely, the well Being and peace of mind as well as the economic security of your long time constituents far out weigh the transient benefits of accomodation to our Muslim brothers.


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Grabe!!! ano tingin nila sa sarili nila???
napaka ironic this soliven is the head of OB "OPERATION BROTHERHOOD" montessori.

[kyle618]

Now what would you feel if you invested your lifesavings in a house in a decent village and then here they come building a damn mosque which you know will send property prices dropping?

pano naman kmi na nagaabang for the prices to drop so i could buy na haha...

[roninblade]

it may be that the group opposing the building of the mosque believe their reasons are valid and not at all discriminatory.

why dont all the criers of "live and let live" try to understand the other side of the issue. looking at it from the petitioners point of view, their reasons has some logic to it. i believe they're just fighting to to preserve their community and the way they live. but, if they succeed in their petition, the catholic chapel should be torn down as well. lets try to keep things even.

[pissword]

i am from mindanao, and ang masasabi ko lang talaga is same lang ang muslim at ang kristiano, ayaw nila sa atin ayaw natin sa kanila... pero hindi lahat, tratuhin mo lang sila ng maayos, maayos naman sila sayo eh

pero malas lang talaga sila kasi minority sila at yung tingin ng mga tao dati sa mga chinese na madumi eh ganun din ang tingin nating mga christiano sa mga muslim ngayon, madumi at delikado.

perception lang naman ng mga tao ang nagpapalala ng situation...lalo na ang mga reports ng war sa mindano, masyadong concentrated naman yung area, at hindi buong mindanao ang magulo. anyway yeapp tama nga dapat kasi malls should stay as malls nalang talaga wala nang mga religious bias

btw, FYI lang, most part ng mindanao eh mas peaceful pa sa metro manila kahit na puro muslim ang nakatira... pero pag naghalo na ng pantay ang dami ng muslim at christiano, for some reason nagkakagulo... just like sa maguindanao or cotabato, lanao peace lang po...


the one who wrote that letter should be ashamed of herself...