OFW jobs threatened in Taiwan.

[Monseratto]

Again, our goverment does the incredible. It deported 14 taiwanese citizens suspected of being members of a swindling syndicate... to the People's Republic of China.


http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/n...w-summary.html

Taipei threatens to stop hiring Filipinos in deportation row - Summary
Tue, 08 Feb 2011 08:58:59 GMT

Taipei said Monday that it would tighten controls on Philippine workers after last week's deportation to China of 24 suspected members of a telephone fraud ring. Taipei said 14 of the suspects were from Taiwan.

Labour Affairs Minister Wang Ju-hsuan on Tuesday stepped up the measures being considered against the Philippines: "If there is no goodwill response, we will take harsher measures and do not rule out freezing the import of Filipino workers,"

She also said screenings for work permits for Filipinos would be extended from 12 days to four months.

"Philippine workers are not irreplaceable," she said.

The Philippine government said Tuesday that according to its information, all 24 suspects were Chinese nationals.

"All the evidence is in China and the witnesses are in China," presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said in Manila. "Also, it [the deportation] was a request from the People's Republic of China. We did not receive any request from Taiwan."

"We acted in accordance with what was before our government and based on the evidences presented," he said. "Based on the records we have, they appear to be Chinese nationals."

Lacierda added that Taiwan could always invoke a 2009 cross-trade agreement with China if it wants to repatriate any suspects from Taiwan.

Several lawmakers in Taiwan urged Taipei to take a firmer stance against the Philippines, which has around 77,000 workers in Taiwan, mostly in the manufacturing and domestic help sectors.

"Once the Philippines sets the precedent [of bowing to China's pressure], other countries will follow suit and treat Taiwan as part of China," lawmaker Kao Chih-peng predicted.

Huang Wei-cheh, another lawmaker, said Taiwan should urge its tourists to boycott the Philippines.

Taiwan said it would recall its chief envoy from the Philippines over the deportations, and Foreign Minister Timothy Yang said Taiwan would also cancel an internet visa exemption service for Filipinos who have obtained visas issued by other governments, including the United States, the European Union, Japan, Australia and New Zealand.

The suspects were arrested in December in Manila and accused of swindling 20 million US dollars from people from China and Taiwan. The suspects were deported last week.

Manila cut diplomatic ties with Taipei in 1975 to recognize China but maintains close trade ties with Taiwan.

[tidus1203]

Well diplomatically we don't recognize Taiwan cause we believe in the ONE CHINA POLICY. Economically though its gonna hurt... But then China or Taiwan? I'd rather have an angry Taiwan than an angry China...

[Monseratto]

Both Chinas are angry at the student council goverment...

[CVT]

"All the evidence is in China and the witnesses are in China," presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said in Manila. "Also, it [the deportation] was a request from the People's Republic of China. We did not receive any request from Taiwan."

The suspects were arrested in December in Manila and accused of swindling 20 million US dollars from people from China and Taiwan. The suspects were deported last week.

Ayaw lang nila sigurong ibalik sa kanila ang mga m*k*ng na ito at baka ma-swindle pa ulit sila.... :hysterical:

12.2K:lawn:

[oliver1013]

Hanap butas ka naman maka lait lang...si delima ang nagdesisyon nyan pinapanood ko lang sa umagang kay ganda...wala daw kasi mga dokumento mga illegal daw.

[ans_lim168]

Pnoy is mulling to send private citizens to Taiwan ( ROＣ　）ｔｏ　ｅｘｐｌａｉｎ　ｔｈｅ　ｄｅｐｏｒｔａｔｉｏｎ　of 14 Taiwanese nationals to Mainland China and at the same time not to violate the "One China Policy."

By Delon Porcalla
The Philippine Star
Deb. 15, 2011

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

“It might even be a set of people. It will most probably be private citizens, as you know there are restrictions in the one-China policy,” the President told Palace reporters in a chance interview at East Avenue Medical Center in Quezon City, where he inaugurated newly upgraded facilities.


“I might be sending an emissary to discuss with them (Taiwanese government) particular issues and to explain why we decided the way we did,” he told Palace reporters in a chance interview at the Heroes Hall in Malacañang last week.

[tidus1203]

There are of course the usual "idiotic" suggestions by Senatongs by saying that if Taiwan sends back OFW we will retaliate by sending back their nationals back to Taiwan...

One colossal problem...

Filipinos are EMPLOYEES in Taiwan, mga OFW lang sila... Taiwanese here on the other hand are EMPLOYERS owning their own business...

Hmmm... kick out the Taiwanese businessmen and more job losses for the locals and add returning OFW's without jobs. Smart really smart!

[uls]

There are of course the usual "idiotic" suggestions by Senatongs by saying that if Taiwan sends back OFW we will retaliate by sending back their nationals back to Taiwan...

One colossal problem...

Filipinos are EMPLOYEES in Taiwan, mga OFW lang sila... Taiwanese here on the other hand are EMPLOYERS owning their own business...

Hmmm... kick out the Taiwanese businessmen and more job losses for the locals and add returning OFW's without jobs. Smart really smart!

and other Taiwanese here are tourists

kick out tourists?

who do you harm? local tourism

feeling ni Enrile ka-level ng Pinas ang Taiwan

ano ba ang Pinas? employment agency

exporter ng factory worker at katulong

Taiwan can get workers elsewhere

who needs who more?

in foreign relations, you gotta know where you are in the global pecking order

[Monseratto]

There are of course the usual "idiotic" suggestions by Senatongs by saying that if Taiwan sends back OFW we will retaliate by sending back their nationals back to Taiwan...

One colossal problem...

Filipinos are EMPLOYEES in Taiwan, mga OFW lang sila... Taiwanese here on the other hand are EMPLOYERS owning their own business...

Hmmm... kick out the Taiwanese businessmen and more job losses for the locals and add returning OFW's without jobs. Smart really smart!

Belated Happy 87th Birthday Senate President...

Enrile may payo kapag pinauwi sa Pinas ang mga OFW sa Taiwan
02/10/2011 | 04:52 PM


MANILA – Inihayag ni Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile na hindi kailangang humingi ng paumanhin ang Pilipinas sa Taiwan dahil sa ginawang pagpapatapon ng ilang Taiwanese sa bansang China.


Sakaling pauwiin umano ng Taiwan ang mga Pinoy na nasa kanilang lugar, maaari naman umanong paalisin ang mga Taiwanese na nasa Pilipinas.

“We do not. So be it. We are not living in a perfect world. They can all drive our people back to the Philippines and we will also drive their people out of the Philippines," pahayag ni Enrile. - GMA News

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/212671/e...-ofw-sa-taiwan

[ans_lim168]

^^^ Is JPE serious ? ? ? Easier said than done Manong Enrile.

[ans_lim168]

Mister Senate President, before you make such remarks check this out first.....

The Philippine Star
Feb. 10, 2011

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

“How can the Philippine government ignore Taiwan which has 150 units of F-16, 60 Mirage jet fighters, tanks, latest weapon with a strong 600,000 well equipped armed forces and over $400 billion foreign reserves,” the source said.

Dinadaan na lang tayo ata sa "sindak."

[uls]

^^

that wasnt a Taiwanese talking, that's a Phil. MECO official

at least he knows where on the global food chain the Philippines is

[tidus1203]

SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. Works in everday life, and also applies in international politics. Taiwan is FITTER so they have the higher chance of SURVIVAL than us...

[uls]

tapos gusto ni Enrile makipag tit-for-tat ang Pinas with Taiwan?

Enrile is delusional

what leverage do we have over Taiwan? wala

they have the leverage

[ans_lim168]

tapos gusto ni Enrile makipag tit-for-tat ang Pinas with Taiwan?

Enrile is delusional

what leverage do we have over Taiwan? wala

they have the leverage

I guess Enrile wants to say to every OFW: "Gusto ko happy ka."

[boybi]

Lose-lose situation ito. Pero buti nang taiwan ang magalit, kesa sa mainland china.

[tidus1203]

Yeah definitely as I was saying in my earlier post this is the better choice. We must NEVER EVERRRR show China that somehow we treat Taiwan in the same level as a soveriegn state. Yan ang pinaka ayaw ng China sa lahat, and of course TIBET independence issues!

[Monseratto]

"Gusto ko, happy sila!"

[Monseratto]

Yung trouble shooter ni PNoy...

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/i...11/february/25

Roxas subtly rebuffs Taiwanese gestures

FORMER Senator Manuel Roxas II, who bore the brunt of Taiwanese anger over Manila’s deportation of 14 Taiwan nationals to Beijing, showed his displeasure Tuesday by declining a ride to the airport and a lunch invitation by the deputy foreign minister, an official said Thursday.

After a final meeting with Taiwanese Foreign Minister Timothy C. T. Yang on Tuesday, Roxas refused to ride in the official car provided by the Taiwanese government and took another vehicle to the airport instead, said Amadeo Perez Jr., the Philippines’ de facto ambassador to Taiwan.

Perez said Roxas road in a service vehicle provided by the Manila Economic and Cultural Office, the agency taking care of Manila’s affairs with Taiwan and which Perez heads.

Roxas also declined the request of Deputy Foreign Minister Matthew Lee to have a lunch meeting with him at the airport lounge. Instead, Roxas chose to eat in a roadside restaurant with Perez and other MECO officials before going to the airport, Perez said.

The ties between Manila and Taipei became tenuous after Manila deported the 14 Taiwanese, who were suspected of running a scam to victimize Chinese nationals, to China instead of Taiwan.

Roxas met with Taiwanese officials over the row on Monday but refused to offer an apology, saying his mandate was to seek understanding and not to apologize.

President Benigno Aquino III sent him to Taipei on Monday to explain why Manila had deported the 14 Taiwanese to China instead of sending them to Taiwan.

Perez said that during the 12-hour marathon meeting with Roxas, the Taiwanese side presented Manila with three options: return the 14 Taiwanese deportees to Taiwan, offer an apology to Taiwan, or order an investigation and pinpoint who was responsible for the wrongful deportation.

Any of those three options “would signify a kind of apology,” Perez said.

Taiwan’s Central News Agency, meanwhile, quoted Kuomintang lawmaker Lin Yu-fang as saying Manila’s decision to send Roxas as a special emissary to Taiwan should be interpreted as a form of apology and urged the government to be flexible in discussing a resolution to the stand-off.

“The fact that the Philippines sent an emissary to Taiwan is already a gesture of an apology,” said Lin, a member of the Foreign and National Defense Committee.

“Flexibility is a must in all diplomatic negotiations. What should be considered is how a total breakdown in Taiwan-Philippines relations would affect Taiwan’s diplomacy.” Eric B. Apolonio

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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakin...ow-with-Taiwan

Manpower group wants BI acting chief fired for row with Taiwan
By Jerome Aning
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 17:36:00 02/24/2011


MANILA, Philippines—A group of recruitment agencies deploying overseas Filipino workers to Taiwan called for the relief of the acting chief of the Bureau of Immigration, saying it would ease Taipei’s anger for the alleged illegal deportation of 14 Taiwanese nationals to China early this month.

In a statement, the Pilipino Association of Manpower Agencies Accredited to Taiwan (Pilmat) blamed BI officer-in-charge Ronaldo Ledesma for the “hasty” deportation of the 14 Taiwanese on February 2 despite the issuance of a writ of habeas corpus by the Court of Appeals three days earlier.

“The firing of Ledesma would constitute some kind of apology that would be acceptable to Taiwan since it was his actions which triggered this tense situation between Taiwan and the Philippines,” Pilmat president Jackson Gan said.

Gan asked President Aquino to save the jobs of 100,000 OFWs in Taiwan and their families here who may suffer loss of income if Taipei makes good its threat to freeze its hiring of OFWs in retaliation for Manila’s stand that it would not apologize for the deportations.

“The actions of Ledesma in brushing aside the CA order triggered the diplomatic row which has not turned for the worse was Taiwan factory owners are now asking for replacements of OFWs with Vietnamese, Indonesians and Indians to fill up the vacancies which were originally reserved for Filipnos,” Gan said.

Ledesma has been OIC of BI since July last year; Malacañang has yet to appoint a permanent immigration commissioner. Additionally, the BI’s mother agency, the Department of Justice, has designated an undersecretary to oversee the bureau’s affairs.

It would be recalled that Taiwan’s representative in the Philippines, Donald Lee, had tried to stop the deportations. He even showed up at Ninoy Aquino International Airport with the CA order and the documents of the Taiwanese, who were deported anyway.

Gan also said that the “indiscretions” committed by the BI should be investigated by Justice Secretary Leila de Lima. The recruitment industry leader referred to news reports stating that there was a reward of US$200,000 offered by the Chinese government for each of the deported Taiwanese.

Former senator Mar Roxas, Aquino’s personal representative, met with officials in Taiwan and vowed that Manila will punish any Philippine officials found to have mishandled the case.

Taiwan media reports on Wednesday referred to a “fact sheet” distributed by Taiwan’s foreign ministry regarding talks between Foreign Minister Timothy Yang and Roxas. The document stated, among others that in the event officials would be found to have been involved in wrong doing, “the Philippine authorities will act accordingly, including the possibility of punitive action, which for the Taiwan side would signify a kind of apology.”

Gan, in a separate interview, said he was told by Taiwanese employers that the Aquino administration’s refusal to apologize showed “arrogance” on the part of Manila.

“It was an ill-advised and arrogant statement from the president. He should first undergo a reality check if it is really doable [to lose the Taiwan market],” said Gan.

He noted that OFWs in Taiwan are mostly unskilled workers, which would make them difficult to redeploy to other countries, especially since the international demand is mostly for skilled ones.

“If we consider the OFWs leaving Libya, the government will surely experience difficulty redeploying those that would come from Taiwan. What will happen is that they will just join the ranks of unemployed here in the country.”