What movie did you watch recently? When & where?

[jut703]

Wow Sir Juts.. Meron ka na naman pa-pop quiz sakin.. Hahahahahaha [emoji23] hindi ako inform may exam pala..
Sa point of view ko lahat sila dun yung unang katiwala, yung pamilya ng mahirap at pamilya ng mayaman...
Kayo ba Sir Juts.. Maganda tanong nyo ahhhhhh.. Sa next na tambay with friends itanong ko din yan magandang start ng conversation..

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There are movies that are clearly for mere entertainment, then there are those that are critiques of today's society. Parasite falls into the latter category, and it's a disservice to the team behind the film if it gets dismissed as just another way to pass time for 2 hours. That's just me though.

Quite pleased to know that even for someone relatively disinterested in the film as you say you were, you acknowledge that the parasitism goes both ways. Yes, the Kim's mischievously found their way into the service of the Park family, but likewise the Park family leech off the domestic services of the Kim family for relatively infinitesimally small pay. What's sad is that the former is seen as a fictional one-off, but the exploitation of the working class is something that is seen as normal, acceptable, and legal behavior of high society today.

Save for the deceptiveness of referring their family members as anonymous contacts and deliberately getting the old help fired, the Kim's were actually more than qualified and capable for the jobs they got. The kids were good teachers, the dad was a good driver, the mom was a good housekeeper. Yet they had a dearth of opportunities prior to Min's referral of Kevin - which highlights another sad reality of society today, it's not what you know but who you know.

Also compare sharp contrast of Da-Song and Ki-Jung - one will inevitably end up in art school with all the resources available to him, while the other will never have the same opportunity to hone her superior talents as she struggles to make ends meet.

Ultimately, it's a strong reminder that where you end up in life is affected very, very significantly with where you started. Yes we all know of stories where people transcend the socioeconomic castes they were born into, but these outliers are few and far in between compared to the vast majority who end up living similar states to what they were born into.

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[misseksaherada]

Hinde ako interested sa mga ganyan movies.


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.. kala ko din horror.. di pala... kaya napanood ko sya ng di ko sinasadya.. misleading ang poster..

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[_Cathy_]

Same tayo LM.. napanood ko na kasi siya hindi pa sumabog news sa Oscar nomination.. Mga early ber months ng 2019.. gusto ko pa din malaman ang mangyayari sa bato.. at bakit hindi bumalik yung orig na may ari na kaibigan nya..

story wise hindi ako impress pero yung execution ng director maganda nga.. Akalain mo yun napaganda nya ang pagdeliver nung kwento na kaya isummarize ng ilang sentence lang..

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Gandang ganda naman ako, the last time I was impressed with all the elements (screenplay, cinematography, direction, film score etc) of a film was American Beauty, Parasite is a close second. Maganda ang film sakin pag tipong tapos na pero naiisip at nararamdaman ko pa rin hours after watching it. I didn't expect the ending AT ALL

Ang akala ko horror yan parasite na movie.


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That is why I really enjoyed the film because I had absolutely no idea what it was about. I was expecting it would a movie similar to "Outbreak" I watched it weeks before the Oscars when I heard that it was nominated

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There are movies that are clearly for mere entertainment, then there are those that are critiques of today's society. Parasite falls into the latter category, and it's a disservice to the team behind the film if it gets dismissed as just another way to pass time for 2 hours. That's just me though.

Quite pleased to know that even for someone relatively disinterested in the film as you say you were, you acknowledge that the parasitism goes both ways. Yes, the Kim's mischievously found their way into the service of the Park family, but likewise the Park family leech off the domestic services of the Kim family for relatively infinitesimally small pay. What's sad is that the former is seen as a fictional one-off, but the exploitation of the working class is something that is seen as normal, acceptable, and legal behavior of high society today.

Save for the deceptiveness of referring their family members as anonymous contacts and deliberately getting the old help fired, the Kim's were actually more than qualified and capable for the jobs they got. The kids were good teachers, the dad was a good driver, the mom was a good housekeeper. Yet they had a dearth of opportunities prior to Min's referral of Kevin - which highlights another sad reality of society today, it's not what you know but who you know.

Also compare sharp contrast of Da-Song and Ki-Jung - one will inevitably end up in art school with all the resources available to him, while the other will never have the same opportunity to hone her superior talents as she struggles to make ends meet.

Ultimately, it's a strong reminder that where you end up in life is affected very, very significantly with where you started. Yes we all know of stories where people transcend the socioeconomic castes they were born into, but these outliers are few and far in between compared to the vast majority who end up living similar states to what they were born into.

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[_Cathy_]

Hinde ako interested sa mga ganyan movies.


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Naalala ko yung kamag anak mo na hindi mabuhay ng walang yaya mga anak kaya they give in to the demands of the yaya May scene dun na nawalan ng help yung Park family, hirap na hirap yung mother to maintain the household

[misseksaherada]

Thanks Sir Uls sa pag quote ulet nung kay Sir Juts.. Sorry di ako minsan nagba-backread.. Na explain na pala ni Sir Juts..
Dumugo utak ko sa explanation ni Sir Juts.. Bagsak ako sa quiz.. Hahahahahaha mau pa movie review pala di ko nagawa assignment ko.. pero sa ending ng review ni Sir Juts mas nadadagan appreciation ko sa movie..
Ms. Cathy, opo maganda po talaga ang execution.. nag enjoy naman ako nung pinanood ko yung movie..at totoo yung ending bad trip ako.. Inabot ata ng days na di ako naka move on sa dami ko naiisip pagkatapos nung movie.. yun nga lang walang wow effect sakin.. di ko alam.. personal preference siguro.. kapag heavy kasi execution naapektuhan ang mood ko.. kaya umiiwas ako sa drama or serious masyado.. may tendency na magbreak down ako.. Naalala ko yung Les Miserables nila Hugh Jackman.. Ikakahiya nyo po ako.. Buong pelikula umiiyak ako.. paglabas namin ng sinehan nung friend ko minsan daw di na sya makapag focus dahil kakaiyak ko.. Kasi humihikbi ako na pigil ang iyak.. ang sakit sa dibdib.. drain na drain energy ko nun.. naghanap tuloy kami ng something fun para ma shift lang modd ko..

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[Little Missy]

Parasite simply put is about the class divide. As for the rest I think it depends on the audience. For me its about class divide and greed.

People here probably know that I almost always take the side of the poor*. I don't see myself doing the same for the poor family here. Some people seem to think it vilifies the rich when all through out it was the poor who were the despicable ones. During the start of the movie, it was shown that their job was folding pizza boxes but they were not paid for the rejected boxes that were poorly done. That's their build up. They weren't portrayed as an honorable poor family who just lacked opportunity, like that of our farmers or street vendors, the ones who are really trying. They stayed in their little area, folding pizza boxes as means of living, and even that they can't do well. I wanted to root for them when the son got the tutoring job because he really has a good motive, but they got so greedy (next plan is to be part of the rich family and actually live in that house) which eventually lead to their downfall. Which is the same in real life I guess, kapag masama ang motibo mo God or the universe can't bless you.

It won't get the recognition that it gets if it wasn't good. As for me, I loved Jojo Rabbit the most out of the ones I'd seen (I haven't seen Irishman). It is entertaining and moving, it will take you from laughing to crying and with it's unique way of storytelling, delivers a message that is clear and spot on: wars are pointless, love your mothers, life is fleeting so celibrate being alive.

*Edit: this is bold for me to assume. Kags is probably the only one who noticed.

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[monty_GTV]

21 Bridges

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[papi smith]

Parasite... oh well, just another close to reality movie. Just another pinoy reality movie turned korean. It's their time now, ganun talaga sabi ni Oscar.

[jut703]

Which is the same in real life I guess, kapag masama ang motibo mo God or the universe can't bless you.

The crooks in Congress are prime examples disproving this. [emoji854]

Interesting opinion you have on the Kims, that they're lazy. Personally I found them victims of dire job market conditions rather than outright lazy. The premise of Kevin getting the tutoring job was to get a better opportunity than what was previously available to him, thanks to Min's referral - it highlighted that sometimes connections are really what gives you a leg up in life, something very very true even in local Philippine context.

Even director Bong Joon Ho finds the Kim family to be a "neutral" family (same with the Parks):





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[Little Missy]

I'm speaking in general. I am the kind of person who believes that the good eventually triumps the evil, that you reap what you sow, that there is God, and crooks will be judged if not here on earth, the afterlife.

It's nice to think that the movie champions the plight of the poor. Who doesn't want that. I just didn't see that translated on screen. Like i said they weren't depicted as poor but hardworking, the build up was that they were slackers. They have a livelihood, an easy one, and even that they can't do perfectly. What message does that send? The message shouldn't be explained to be understood, it should be shown through dialogues and visuals.

I'm not saying the movie is wrong. I came from a poor family, i live in a poor neighborhood so a lot of stuff there are relatable. The director said it himself, there are no villains in the movie. To me it's just representation of what is already happening. But I don't think of it as a film about how the poor are kawawa, or not given opportunities. That may be true in real life but i don't see the film depicting that on screen. Hindi ko makita na ang mahirap na pamilya ng magsasaka ay ang mga Kims.







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[jut703]

I'm speaking in general. I am the kind of person who believes that the good eventually triumps the evil, that you reap what you sow, that there is God, and crooks will be judged if not here on earth, the afterlife.


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In the current capitalist world that we live in, what is good and what is evil?

Personally I think the sheer imbalance of opportunities towards capitalists is a systemic evil in itself. I would understand that SME's might not be able to pay good wages across the board, but many multinational companies can and still don't because the law doesn't require them to.

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[jut703]

Thanks Sir Uls sa pag quote ulet nung kay Sir Juts.. Sorry di ako minsan nagba-backread.. Na explain na pala ni Sir Juts..
Dumugo utak ko sa explanation ni Sir Juts.. Bagsak ako sa quiz.. Hahahahahaha mau pa movie review pala di ko nagawa assignment ko.. pero sa ending ng review ni Sir Juts mas nadadagan appreciation ko sa movie..
Ms. Cathy, opo maganda po talaga ang execution.. nag enjoy naman ako nung pinanood ko yung movie..at totoo yung ending bad trip ako.. Inabot ata ng days na di ako naka move on sa dami ko naiisip pagkatapos nung movie.. yun nga lang walang wow effect sakin.. di ko alam.. personal preference siguro.. kapag heavy kasi execution naapektuhan ang mood ko.. kaya umiiwas ako sa drama or serious masyado.. may tendency na magbreak down ako.. Naalala ko yung Les Miserables nila Hugh Jackman.. Ikakahiya nyo po ako.. Buong pelikula umiiyak ako.. paglabas namin ng sinehan nung friend ko minsan daw di na sya makapag focus dahil kakaiyak ko.. Kasi humihikbi ako na pigil ang iyak.. ang sakit sa dibdib.. drain na drain energy ko nun.. naghanap tuloy kami ng something fun para ma shift lang modd ko..

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Here's an explainer that puts the central themes of Parasite in simpler terms:

The Ending Of 'Parasite' Explained | Pop Culture Decoded - YouTube

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[jut703]

It's nice to think that the movie champions the plight of the poor. Who doesn't want that.

That wasn't the point of the movie, at all.

This isn't a feel-good movie of a kind-hearted poor family getting their redemption - that's way more fictional than the reality portrayed - that socioeconomic upward mobility is a pipe dream for most, no matter how hard they try. As you mentioned, it's just a depiction of reality and the inescapable social divisions that the poor cannot transcend.

They have a livelihood, an easy one, and even that they can't do perfectly.

They were reduced to folding pizza boxes because that was all that they could find. Because entry-level jobs such as being a security guard was already crowded out by higher-educated people - this was explicitly mentioned in the film.

And assuming that they folded their pizza boxes better - would that have gotten them out of poverty? They would've earned 10% more for their work, but 10% of peanuts is still peanuts.

Hindi ko makita na ang mahirap na pamilya ng magsasaka ay ang mga Kims.

Because they're not. They are closer to the urban poor - the providers of menial labor that allows capitalists to extract higher profits without needing to pay higher wages.

The title of the song in the end credits is 564 Years - that's how long it would take for Ki-woo to afford the house the Parks lived in if he worked a decent job.

While the death of Ki-jeong and the banishment of Ki-taek are personal tragedies for the Kim family, the tragedy of the false sense of upward mobility is something that affects the poor broadly.


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[Little Missy]

I only said that because that's what I generally hear (not necessarily here). The common comment is stab the rich, yay to the poor. That's not what the movie is for me.

Its a depiction of what's happening which can sometimes be painful. But to see it as an eye opener movie about how the poor are oppressed and disadvantaged, that can be true in real life but not here because of how the Kims were portrayed. If I can personalize it, they were like that because to me it explains why the poor like the Kims act and behave the way they do. Sabi nga dun sa isang line, "money is an iron, it smoothens the wrinkles". Parang dito sa Pinas, pag walang pera, andiyan gagawa ng mali or magiging inggetera at greedy. Mga tinatawag nating magagaspang at jologs. The Kims hated the Parks just for being rich. But not all poor naman as depicted by the other parasite who was grateful to Mr. Park even if he doesn't know him.

And I only used the farmers to explain that there are really hardworking poor people who are disadvantaged and are robbed of opportunities. There are also people like that in the urban poor and if director bong wanted to portray them as such there should be a way. But it is obvious to me the direction that he went to was not one off but intentional.

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[jut703]

I only said that because that's what I generally hear (not necessarily here). The common comment is the stab the rich, yay to the poor. That's not what the movie is for me.

Its a depiction of what's happening which can sometimes be painful. But to see it as an eye opener movie about how the poor are oppressed and disadvantaged, that can be true in real life but not here because of how the Kims were portrayed. If I can personalize it, to me it explains why the poor like the Kims act and behave the way they do. Sabi nga dun sa isang line, "money is an iron, it smoothens the wrinkles". Parang dito sa Pinas, pag walang pera, andiyan gagawa ng mali or magiging inggetera at greedy. The Kims hated the Parks just for being rich. But not all poor naman as depicted by the other parasite who was grateful to Mr. Park even if he doesn't know him.

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I didn't see that the Kims hated the Parks just for being rich. Rather, it was their disdain for the "subway smell" that triggered Ki-taek in the end.

This is reflective of the reality that it isn't shameful to be rich - even when people are more and more aware today that much wealth has been derived from labor exploitation, society as a whole still sees it as normal and part of the process of capitalism. On the other hand, it's still shameful to be poor, even after we've established that poverty is often systemic rather than personal.

On another note, I'm curious, why do you say that the poor are oppressed and disadvantage but not the Kims? Even after they completed their comical infiltration of the Park household, they were still beholden to the same economic systems that gave them minimal wages for offering domestic services that allowed the Parks more comfortable and productive lives.

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[Little Missy]

Coffee na lang tayo jut pagod nako magtype at mag English. [emoji111]️

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[jut703]

Coffee na lang tayo jut pagod nako magtype at mag English. [emoji111]️

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Can. Monday BGC breakfast?

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[Little Missy]

On another note, I'm curious, why do you say that the poor are oppressed and disadvantage but not the Kims? Even after they completed their comical infiltration of the Park household, they were still beholden to the same economic systems that gave them minimal wages for offering domestic services that allowed the Parks more comfortable and productive lives.

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Something as simple as assembling a pizza box palpak pa, what does that say about them. Disservice naman ata ikumpara sa magsasakang bilad sa araw and many other workers na talagang overworked at oppressed. If director bong wanted to portray them as lacking opportunities and victims of capitalism, messing up a pizza box is an odd way to show that. I will think, baka naman kaya walang trabaho kasi ganyan ang attitude at quality ng work. But then again i think its intentional kasi they are being packaged as despicable to be capable of dishonesty and much more bad things.



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[jut703]

Something as simple as assembling a pizza box palpak pa, what does that say about them. Disservice naman ata ikumpara sa magsasakang bilad sa araw and many other workers na talagang overworked at oppressed. If director bong wanted to portray them as lacking opportunities and victims of capitalism, messing up a pizza box is an odd way to show that. I will think, baka naman kaya walang trabaho kasi ganyan ang attitude at quality ng work. But then again i think its intentional kasi they are being packaged as despicable to be capable of dishonesty and much more bad things.



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They made substandard pizza boxes, but Ki-woo was capable of teaching English, Ki-jung was able to pull of a convincing performance as an art tutor (plus the Photoshop know-how to forge a Seoul Nat'l University diploma), Ki-taek went the extra mile to study modern Benz tech and actually earned praise for his smooth driving.

So while you dismiss them as lazy because of the subpar pizza box folding, they did pull off their assimilation well and delivered the expected output as employees of the Park household.

I would attribute the difference in the quality of work between the pizza box making and the work as part of the Park household to be tied to the terribly small pay they get for their labor for the pizza shop. You pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

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