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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by badsekktor View Post
    i definitely agree!

    so those below poverty level should work double time to escape the pits of poverty.....

    this is a sad story for the kid and i do believe that the parents and our society
    have a hand on the poor kid's fate
    As long as the working is not in bed.

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    #22
    Quote Originally Posted by boydapa View Post
    sabi ni bunye isolated case lng po daw yan ksi karamihan ng mga pinoy ramdam daw ang pag asenso.
    Wow. Ano kaya kung lahat ng government official i-require na mag 1 week immersion in various depressed areas every 2 years? Whaddaya think?

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    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by boydapa View Post
    7 pala sila. dapat magkaron ng kopya o mabasa man lng ng simbahan etong sulat o nangyari sa kanya sila kasi ang promotor ng magpakarami eh
    They also teach people NOT to commit suicide but they didn't follow that either, di ba? Seriously, wala ka namang kasamang pari kapag gumagawa ng bata ah.

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    #24
    kakalungkot naman yan.may the girl rest in peace.

    talagang survival of the fittest nalang ngayon.ano maeexpect mo sa isang construction worker and isang parttime labandera?kahit pa magtatlong trabaho yan dipa din kakayanin ang gastos.sa pinas, pag ganyan ang work mo swerte kana kung kikita ka ng 300/day na ang puhunan katawan lang.and pag ala ng makuhang kontrata yong amo, tapos nadin sila.so kahit ano pa sipag ang gawin mo kung pataas ng patas ang bilihin dipa din kakayanin ng kakapuranggit na sahod ng mga laborer at labandera.ayon ako sa sinabi ni cruz though in the first place dapat nong umpisa palang dina nagpadami ng anak knowing na di naman stable ang trabaho nila.

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    #25
    I agree with uls.

    May her soul rest in peace.

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    #26
    Kung bakit kasi kung sino pa yung naghihirap sa buhay, yun pa marami anak. Wala na nga maibuhay sa pmilya, anak pa ng anak. Marami kao nakikita nito sa mga squatters area.

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    #27
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    Kung bakit kasi kung sino pa yung naghihirap sa buhay, yun pa marami anak. Wala na nga maibuhay sa pmilya, anak pa ng anak. Marami kao nakikita nito sa mga squatters area.
    i myself ask this question, bakit nga ba ang mga hirap at pulubi ang marami ang anak?

    this is actually about survival,..
    ganito yon, yung mag asawa na hirap sa buhay, nag aanak ng marami, dahil alam nila na mas maraming tutulong sa kanila sa pagtanda...
    mas mataas ang chances na isa sa mga anak nila e magiging matalino, at siya ang pag sisikapan nilang makatapos ng pag aaral, kahit inde na mag aral ang ibang mga anak basta makatapos lang ang kanilang matalinong anak. at pag nakatapos na ang anak nila ng pag aaral, siya naman ang tutulong para gumanda ang buhay nila...

    i dont agree to this way of bringing up children but this is the reality...

    yung mga may kaya sa buhay inde na sila nag aanak ng marami dahil sa lifestyle at secured na sila sa buhay...

    i know this from my relatives... and they tell me exactly this reason why they have so many kids, kahit inde nila kayang buhayin..

    "God love the poor so much that is why He made so may of them"..

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    #28
    Blame the parents, not the goverment. Even the leftist jumped on this sad plight and added it to their anti-goverment propaganda. Next thing you'll know, they'll blame the vehicle accident of Saguisag on the goverment too. Regarding the 7 mouths to feed of that poor girl's family...

    ...Of the seven children, only Mariannet and Reynald are left with their parents as most are grown up and have families of their own...

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    #29
    nakakaawa yung girl, she could have had a brighter future if only she had access to good quality education

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    family planning na kailangan dyan.set aside the church's stand on contraceptives.tama na muna pamumulitika.our population is growing so fast but the economy is not improving.

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    #31
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    Kung bakit kasi kung sino pa yung naghihirap sa buhay, yun pa marami anak. Wala na nga maibuhay sa pmilya, anak pa ng anak. Marami kao nakikita nito sa mga squatters area.
    Kasi yung konswelo sa buhay na dapat mapunta sa kanila, kinukurakot o di kaya'y nasusulot ng iba.
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    #32
    Quote Originally Posted by VtEC View Post
    family planning na kailangan dyan.set aside the church's stand on contraceptives.tama na muna pamumulitika.our population is growing so fast but the economy is not improving.
    VtEC, mechanical rabbit yan sa greyhound race. The dogs will never catch the rabbit. Kahit gaano mo bawasan ang population, habang humaharurot naman ang kasakiman at "survival of the fittest" (aka might is right) mentality, you cannot eradicate extreme poverty. So, ingat din diyan sa family planning, kasi may bias din yan against people who happen to be poor. If not understood well, it becomes negative eugenics, where the aim becomes exterminating the poor, instead of eradicating poverty.
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    Kung bakit kasi kung sino pa yung naghihirap sa buhay, yun pa marami anak. Wala na nga maibuhay sa pmilya, anak pa ng anak. Marami kao nakikita nito sa mga squatters area.
    The wrong implication is that only the rich have the human right to have children. But look at the other side of your observation: Ironically, kung sino pa yung may kaya at malusog, siya pang takot magka-anak.

    I would agree with b1rken5tock. The poor are more courageous in having children because they cannot afford to pay wages and avail of social security. Only the rich can afford that. Who should take the initiative in ironing out the system?
    Last edited by dprox; November 10th, 2007 at 04:06 AM.
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    #33
    Quote Originally Posted by dprox View Post
    VtEC, mechanical rabbit yan sa greyhound race. The dogs will never catch the rabbit. Kahit gaano mo bawasan ang population, habang humaharurot naman ang kasakiman at "survival of the fittest" (aka might is right) mentality, you cannot eradicate extreme poverty. So, ingat din diyan sa family planning, kasi may bias din yan against people who happen to be poor. If not understood well, it becomes negative eugenics, where the aim becomes exterminating the poor, instead of eradicating poverty.

    The wrong implication is that only the rich have the human right to have OTchildren. But look at the other side of your observation: Ironically, kung sino pa yung may kaya at malusog, siya pang takot magka-anak.

    I would agree with b1rken5tock. The poor are more courageous in having children because they cannot afford to pay wages and avail of social security. Only the rich can afford that. Who should take the initiative in ironing out the system?
    i'm currently living in england, which a social state, yung mga hirap sa buhay ay sinusuportahan ng gobyerno... yung mga "hirap sa buhay" ,ang gobyerno ang sumasagot sa araw araw na pang kabuhayan (in short, PALAMON), ang kanilang pabahay, ang kanilang pang kalusugan, at meron pa silang allowance na tinatawag dipende sa bilang ng kanilang mga anak...

    wag nating isisi sa gobyerno bakit merong mga ganitong mga nangyayari...walang perpektong gobyerno...gaya ng nabanggit ko..kahit nga dito sa englang e sagot ng gobyerno ang kabuhayan ng mga "disadvantaged in life", sila pa ng umaabuso sa sa sistema...marami dito ang mga tinedyer ang nagpapabuntis para kumulekta ng "benefits"... so inshort, dumadami pa rin ang mga pulubi na umaasa sa gobyerno...

    gitna ako sa aming magkakapatid, kinapos kami sa pangkabuhayan kaya ako ang natigil sa pag aaral, but that did not stop me from reaching for my dreams by working hard and smart...

    we cannot do much with regards to other's way of parenting.. pero we can start in our own ways...be a responsible parents...

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    #34
    Meron nga tayong kasabihan na:
    " EDUCATION should start at home! "

    Kase diba dapat ang magulang ang mag silbing halimbawa sa kanilang mga anak. At pag ang mga anak ay nagsilakihan na, dapat andyan pa rin ang magulang to guide them.

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    #35
    i feel sorry for the kid...


    my her soul rest in peace....

    I think we can't blame her for crying out loud she just a kid
    she didn't choose to be in that situation

    i know how it feels..
    i've been in her shoes...
    i know how it feels not to eat for days
    how it fell na nagaalala ka kng san ka kukuha ng pamasahe mo
    papuntang skul,to go to classes with an empty stomach...


    yet the desire to survive was strong kaya nakaraos ng pag aaral...

    hay..
    hirap mabuhay

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    #36
    Don't you wonder how the Philippines ranks among nations in terms of suicide rate? Let's set aside emotion for a while.

    An accurate comparison of national suicide rates is difficult because of the limited reliability of statistics and different methods of certifying how deaths occurred. Anyway, assuming the available W.H.O. stats have some reliability, we can see highly developed countries in the high and medium suicide rate segment and there are almost none of them in the low suicide segment.

    UPPER THIRD
    08 Japan
    16 Switzerland
    24 Hong Kong
    28 Denmark
    29 Germany
    31 Sweden

    MIDDLE THIRD
    36 Canada
    46 USA
    50 Singapore
    51 Netherlands
    54 Spain
    59 Italy
    60 UK

    LOWER THIRD
    71 Brazil
    73 Thailand
    77 Mexico
    80 Tajikistan
    83 Philippines
    92 Iran

    You will find that it's mostly poorer nations in the low suicide segment.
    Fact: Rich folks are more likely to commit suicide.
    Hindi lang kasi masyadong sinasakyan ng media.
    What does this mean? This suggests that
    suicide is NOT directly a function of poverty.

    IMHO, the direct cause of self-harm is discontentment and frustration in life.
    In other words, it depends directly on how UNHAPPY you are,
    and only incidentally on your economic conditions.


    Happiness, you see, is not just a matter of material or monetary wealth. Happiness is a state of mind and spirit. It has other sources. There is Faith, prayer, friendship, love -- and for Pinoys, there is an extra dose of HUMOR and MUSIC, which are OK as long as it's not overdone. So, relax muna tayo. Baka madepress masyado.

    I would like to dedicate this song to Marianeth Amper. We got her message loud and clear.
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    Siyanga pala: Do NOT let your kids listen to Sean Kingston's "The Beautiful Girls".
    The sticky refrain (... suicidal, suicidal ...) can sneak into the subconscious,
    and trigger obsessions, especially in times of sadness.
    Last edited by dprox; November 10th, 2007 at 10:39 AM.
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    #37
    Quote Originally Posted by dprox View Post
    Don't you wonder how the Philippines ranks among nations in terms of suicide rate? Let's set aside emotion for a while.

    An accurate comparison of national suicide rates is difficult because of the limited reliability of statistics and different methods of certifying how deaths occurred. Anyway, assuming the available W.H.O. stats have some reliability, we can see highly developed countries in the high and medium suicide rate segment and there are almost none of them in the low suicide segment.

    UPPER THIRD
    08 Japan
    16 Switzerland
    24 Hong Kong
    28 Denmark
    29 Germany
    31 Sweden

    MIDDLE THIRD
    36 Canada
    46 USA
    50 Singapore
    51 Netherlands
    54 Spain
    59 Italy
    60 UK

    LOWER THIRD
    71 Brazil
    73 Thailand
    77 Mexico
    80 Tajikistan
    83 Philippines
    92 Iran

    You will find that it's mostly poorer nations in the low suicide segment.
    Fact: Rich folks are more likely to commit suicide.
    Hindi lang kasi masyadong sinasakyan ng media.
    What does this mean? This suggests that
    suicide is NOT directly a function of poverty.

    IMHO, the direct cause of self-harm is discontentment and frustration in life.
    In other words, it depends directly on how UNHAPPY you are,
    and only incidentally on your economic conditions.

    Happiness, you see, is not just a matter of material or monetary wealth. Happiness is a state of mind and spirit. It has other sources. There is Faith, prayer, friendship, love -- and for Pinoys, there is and extra dose of HUMOR and MUSIC, which are OK as long as it's not overdone. So, relax muna tayo. Baka madepress masyado.

    I would like to dedicate this song to Marianeth Amper. We got her message loud and clear.



    agree on this it would be your outlook in life that will dictate your future..

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    the reason why we have a low suicide rate is coz of our strong Roman Catholic faith.

    and coz pinoys have stronger family ties than people in richer countries

    and coz few pinoys are loners or introverted.

    Pinoys are always surrounded by people. Either u are with friends or u are with family.

    Pag may problema ka, mapapansin agad ng mga tao sa paligid mo. U dont get many chances where u can internalize ur problems all by yourself. Guguluhin ka, ayain ka mag inom, kakausapin ka kahit ayaw mo ng kausap... u just cant be left alone... so how can u contemplate suicide?

    Depression develops when u keep problems to yourself and think nobody cares and nobody can help u.

    Very family oreinted and very social ang pinoy. We arent like other cultures where people leave their families at age 18 and live on their own.

    That's also 1 reason why we dont have serial killers here. Our social structure doesnt breed psycho killers. Only drug/alcohol induced saksakin-ka-pag-masama-tingin-mo killers.

    Western societies tend to breed psycho killers coz their people spend so much time alone. Depression, loneliness, anger, frustruation creeps into your brain when ur always lonely and alone.

    Though we can say poverty doesnt make people commit suicide, but in the case of the Davao girl, she did. She sees no hope, no way out of her situation. She thinks nobody can help her.

    We can argue that many people are in the same situation as that girl, but why are nt those people committing suicide too...

    Maybe the others are not as intelligent as Marianet. Marianet is intelligent. She was able to step back at look at her own life. Introspection takes some level on intelligence. She assessed her own life and saw no hope.
    Last edited by uls; November 10th, 2007 at 10:38 AM.

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    #39
    Quote Originally Posted by zeus17 View Post
    agree on this it would be your outlook in life that will dictate your future..
    "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne...

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    corrupt politicians & government officials should take a cue from this...

    yung ninanakaw nila na pera, para naman sa mahihirap talaga eh.

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