Heneral Luna

[Jun aka Pekto]

History is written by the victors... in the manner that they see fit.

In that case, what is the correct version of history with regards to General Luna?

[minicarph]

In that case, what is the correct version of history with regards to General Luna?

Honestly, wag nyo na alamin pa. Basta binili lang tayo ng Amerikano for $20k, there's no such thing as Phil Independence. All those stories about heroes pampasikip lang ng memorya nyo. Walang aral na makukuha sa kasaysayan natin coz there was never an putcome. If indeed these Filipinos inspired us, eh colonial mentality pa din tayo ngaun.



Aguinaldo is the true Filipino hero kasi realistic sya, sya first puppet ng American colony

[Jun aka Pekto]

Honestly, wag nyo na alamin pa. Basta binili lang tayo ng Amerikano for $20k, there's no such thing as Phil Independence. All those stories about heroes pampasikip lang ng memorya nyo. Walang aral na makukuha sa kasaysayan natin coz there was never an putcome. If indeed these Filipinos inspired us, eh colonial mentality pa din tayo ngaun. Aguinaldo is the true Filipino hero kasi realistic sya, sya first puppet ng American colony

How can it be colonial mentality when many historical events took place before the Americans arrived? There were already a lot happening in the Philippines before 1898. Before that time, the Americans probably never even heard of the Philippines, much less cared about the place.

There certainly are some parallels with US history, especially regarding betrayals/traitors (Benedict Arnold?), people choosing sides such as the patriots and loyalists. Not all the colonists wanted to secede from England. After the war, the loyalists were expelled and forced to move into what is now Canada.

I haven't seen the movie. But, I'll bet those two things are abundant in the movie.

Edit:

From what I can gather with this thread, it's still clear Filipinos still don't have a sense of unity. Here in the US, Filipinos tend to unite where they're few in number. But, as soon as their numbers become sizable, they break off into their own little cliques based on their dialect or province. Spats often resulted from gossip and intrigue.

I much prefer when Filipinos are fewer in number. More fun.

[dr. d]

In that case, what is the correct version of history with regards to General Luna?

damned if i know!
all the actual witnesses are already dead by now.
we can but rely on whatever records they left behind... verbal by the fireplace, written with historical accuracy and devoid of literary embellishments, or written according to their personal views
i do not think we will ever know..

[CLAVEL3699]

Meron bang taong walang dark side? Lahat naman sila meron. But it doesn't discount the fact that they died for the country, in quite a literal manner.

Si Antonio Luna ay hindi namatay para sa bayan, sya ay namatay sa kamay nang mga kapwa nya pilipino na ganid sa kapangyarihan. Literal na namatay para sa bayan ay namatay sa kamay nang mga mananakop.

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Meron bang taong walang dark side? Lahat naman sila meron. But it doesn't discount the fact that they died for the country, in quite a literal manner.

Si Antonio Luna ay hindi namatay para sa bayan, sya ay namatay sa kamay nang mga kapwa nya pilipino na ganid sa kapangyarihan. Literal na namatay para sa bayan ay namatay sa kamay nang mga mananakop.

[Juan Martinez]

but this first stanza of my hero's poem sums up it all--

Aling pag-ibig pa ang hihigit kaya
Sa pagkadalisay at pagkadakila
Gaya ng pag-ibig sa tinub’ang lupa?
Aling pag-ibig pa? Wala na nga, wala.

[Juan Martinez]

^if there'd be a conscription, would you be willing to be conscripted?

[kisshmet]

^if there'd be a conscription, would you be willing to be conscripted?

I have no choice, i cant run to the US..I have no visa

[Jun aka Pekto]

^if there'd be a conscription, would you be willing to be conscripted?

I can't be conscripted. I wasn't even born there. But, I'd volunteer my time and skills.

[minicarph]

Btw, if there is any consolation. The Spanish themselves are a failure in their own country. Up to now, delikado magka-civil war duon, southern Spain vs, Northern Spain. Dunno, maybe because of their roots, they were once ruled by the Moors or the Muslims from Africa, naging Kristyano kang sila noon time of exploration. Ika nga hilaw pa, i would assume na ok sana cla coz melting pot sila like Venice or Istanbul (former Eastern Roman Empire) but they're confused themselves like us

Iba talaga, pang ang civilization na -influence ng Romans, yun ang may dating. But Spain, I laways omit that place sa travels ko. Dito lang dami pretensious Spanish mestizos and mestizas, dami nila nasa Dasnarinas, Ayala, etc. all for show lang, not really genuine cares for us


Kakatuwa nga yun mga sabi sa social media, thanking Ortigas for investing 70M sa movie. Hello, sila na nga ang enemy nila Luna noon araw, tapos pinagkakkitaan pa ngaun sa movie. Tpos mga batang tanga would blame Pinoys for not watching Heneral Luna, but pay homage to Ortigas, a Spanish lol.


Fyi, do you ever ask yourselves where we all working right now, ayala makati, ortigas, alabsng madrigal, cubao araneta, san juan geeenhills They got all the best commercial districts for LEASE. Tske not, for lease, meaning they forever own these lands,

Crazy world

[yapoy86]

Btw, if there is any consolation. The Spanish themselves are a failure in their own country. Up to now, delikado magka-civil war duon, southern Spain vs, Northern Spain. Dunno, maybe because of their roots, they were once ruled by the Moors or the Muslims from Africa, naging Kristyano kang sila noon time of exploration. Ika nga hilaw pa, i would assume na ok sana cla coz melting pot sila like Venice or Istanbul (former Eastern Roman Empire) but they're confused themselves like us

Iba talaga, pang ang civilization na -influence ng Romans, yun ang may dating. But Spain, I laways omit that place sa travels ko. Dito lang dami pretensious Spanish mestizos and mestizas, dami nila nasa Dasnarinas, Ayala, etc. all for show lang, not really genuine cares for us


Kakatuwa nga yun mga sabi sa social media, thanking Ortigas for investing 70M sa movie. Hello, sila na nga ang enemy nila Luna noon araw, tapos pinagkakkitaan pa ngaun sa movie. Tpos mga batang tanga would blame Pinoys for not watching Heneral Luna, but pay homage to Ortigas, a Spanish lol.


Fyi, do you ever ask yourselves where we all working right now, ayala makati, ortigas, alabsng madrigal, cubao araneta, san juan geeenhills They got all the best commercial districts for LEASE. Tske not, for lease, meaning they forever own these lands,

Crazy world

Not all.. i work in pasay not owned by those mestizo you mentioned..

Luna fought against the americans not to spain

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Btw, if there is any consolation. The Spanish themselves are a failure in their own country. Up to now, delikado magka-civil war duon, southern Spain vs, Northern Spain. Dunno, maybe because of their roots, they were once ruled by the Moors or the Muslims from Africa, naging Kristyano kang sila noon time of exploration. Ika nga hilaw pa, i would assume na ok sana cla coz melting pot sila like Venice or Istanbul (former Eastern Roman Empire) but they're confused themselves like us

Iba talaga, pang ang civilization na -influence ng Romans, yun ang may dating. But Spain, I laways omit that place sa travels ko. Dito lang dami pretensious Spanish mestizos and mestizas, dami nila nasa Dasnarinas, Ayala, etc. all for show lang, not really genuine cares for us


Kakatuwa nga yun mga sabi sa social media, thanking Ortigas for investing 70M sa movie. Hello, sila na nga ang enemy nila Luna noon araw, tapos pinagkakkitaan pa ngaun sa movie. Tpos mga batang tanga would blame Pinoys for not watching Heneral Luna, but pay homage to Ortigas, a Spanish lol.


Fyi, do you ever ask yourselves where we all working right now, ayala makati, ortigas, alabsng madrigal, cubao araneta, san juan geeenhills They got all the best commercial districts for LEASE. Tske not, for lease, meaning they forever own these lands,

Crazy world

Not all.. i work in pasay not owned by those mestizo you mentioned..

Luna fought against the americans not to spain

[machine.pistol]

Btw, if there is any consolation. The Spanish themselves are a failure in their own country. Up to now, delikado magka-civil war duon, southern Spain vs, Northern Spain. Dunno, maybe because of their roots, they were once ruled by the Moors or the Muslims from Africa, naging Kristyano kang sila noon time of exploration. Ika nga hilaw pa, i would assume na ok sana cla coz melting pot sila like Venice or Istanbul (former Eastern Roman Empire) but they're confused themselves like us

Iba talaga, pang ang civilization na -influence ng Romans, yun ang may dating. But Spain, I laways omit that place sa travels ko.

I thought Spain was heavily influenced by the Romans. Their laws are derived from Roman law. Their language, as with all Romance based languages, is based on Latin (Spanish padre, Latin pater). There are even Roman ruins there.

[minicarph]

I thought Spain was heavily influenced by the Romans. Their laws are derived from Roman law. Their language, as with all Romance based languages, is based on Latin (Spanish padre, Latin pater). There are even Roman ruins there.

Nope spain was too late if compared to the British island up to the Med to Eastern Europe. Andun talaga influence ng Roman

[dreamur]

Iba talaga logic ni OB. Sana mag join siya sa INC thread.

[dct]

Iba talaga logic ni OB. Sana mag join siya sa INC thread.

Sayang katalinuhan ni OB dun. Sasagutin lang sya na tsismis at opinion lang yan. Haha

[c_cube]

Hindi uubra si chevychevy kay OB.

[Juan Martinez]

we're they not called once Iberians? that's why that part of the world is called iberian peninsula? not only by the romans, but also by the greeks, carthaginians, and phoenicians.

[dreamur]

we're they not called once Iberians? that's why that part of the world is called iberian peninsula? not only by the romans, but also by the greeks, carthaginians, and phoenicians.

Ang alam ko bro un Ibiza. Ganda ng view dun sa beach nila. :D

[Juan Martinez]

Ang alam ko bro un Ibiza. Ganda ng view dun sa beach nila. :D

dating hilton yan bro di ba?
BTT
I'll watch HL tomorrow. maganda tong thread na to

[dr. d]

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we're they not called once Iberians? that's why that part of the world is called iberian peninsula? not only by the romans, but also by the greeks, carthaginians, and phoenicians.

i don't care!
jamon iberico...
that's all that matters!
heh heh.