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    Mazda Philippines, eto dapat ilabas din sa Pinas! di lang puro Kia & Hyundai naglalabas ng modern/powerful CrDI engines (hhhm take Ford Focus pala meron. hehe).

    fit this one with 6A/T and priced around Php1.5M (below Accord/Camry) and u have a winner. saka sana gamitin din 'tong engine na 'to sa Mazda5, or Tribute....come on Bring it on!

    Thereís more power to Mazdaís family car! The firm says that with a fresh 182bhp 2.2-litre diesel engine on board, this latest 6 sets new standards for performance and refinement. And Auto Express has been given exclusive access to see if the unit, which makes its debut in the UK next year, really can deliver.


    The 2.2-litre engine is dubbed MZR Ė short for Mazda Responsive. At idle, noise from it is not intrusive, even on the early car we drove. Slot the six-speed transmission into first and, with 400Nm driving the front wheels, performance is impressive. All that torque has also allowed Mazda to fit longer gear ratios, enabling the engine to rev lower, so it consumes less fuel.

    Driving in town, the unit is smooth and responsive, and will even pull hard in third gear at 30mph. However, if you go much slower, the revs drop below 1,800rpm, causing the turbocharger to stop spinning and making the engine grumble as a result. But thatís only a small gripe. Mazda acknowledges that the 6 will be more at home during long trips on the motorway. When the turbo is boosting in third gear Ė as it would be when accelerating down a slip road at a major junction Ė the engine punches from 30mph to 62mph a full 1.7 seconds faster than the outgoing 2.0-litre oil-burning unit. And, when the car is cruising at motorway speeds, the motor is incredibly quiet and smooth. Overtaking is an effortless manoeuvre.


    Mazda is right to be confident about its latest oil-burner. In the 6, itís remarkably refined at higher speeds, yet remains flexible in town. And although it weighs 6kg more than the outgoing engine, it produces an extra 44bhp and 70Nm of torque, while returning similar emissions figures.

    Despite the brandís links with Ford, this diesel is purely a Mazda project, and isnít based on the powerplant recently introduced in the Mondeo. Weíll test the cars together when the diesel 6 arrives here next year Ė and on this evidence the Ford faces a stiff challenge.

    FIRST OPINION
    Mazdaís improved diesel engine is the first of a whole raft of new, more efficient and stronger units set to enter the range in the next couple of years. Itís off to a good start, too, as itís likely to run the equivalent Mondeo unit close. The motor will also feature in the forthcoming 3 Ė and such is its potential that a diesel 3 MPS is now a possibility.


    AT A GLANCE
    Price: £21,500 (est)
    Engine: 2.2-litre 4cyl turbodiesel
    Power: 182bhp
    Torque: 400Nm
    0-62mph: 9.5 seconds (est)
    Top speed: 135mph (est) {around 217kph}
    Economy: 50.4mpg {around 20kp/l}
    CO2: 147g/km (est)
    On sale: 2009 Spring (in UK)

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    wow. 182 hp and 400NM of torque? from a 2.2L? with a realistc mileage of 10-15 kms/l? sana magkaroon nga sa mazda3. time to save up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiter View Post
    wow. 182 hp and 400NM of torque? from a 2.2L?
    Turbocharged commonrail diesel engines are getting stronger.

    BMW 123d 2.0 liter
    Power: 204 PS (201 hp)
    Torque 400 Nm

    Ford Mondeo 2.2 TDCi
    Power: 175 PS (173 hp)
    Torque 400 Nm & 420 Nm with transient overboost

    Toyota Auris SR180 2.2 D-4D
    Power: 177 PS (175 hp)
    Torque 400 Nm
    Last edited by AG4; September 26th, 2008 at 02:49 PM.

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    BMW's 2.0 is already at 170 hp... and can be "chipped" for 200... but it's supposedly very peaky at that power point.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    BMW's 2.0 is already at 170 hp... and can be "chipped" for 200... but it's supposedly very peaky at that power point.
    Maybe thats the reason BMW gave the 123d Variable Twin Turbos to get 204PS from the 2.0 liter engine.

    PS: The 120d, 320d, 520d's engine makes 177PS.
    Last edited by AG4; September 26th, 2008 at 03:02 PM.

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    i see. cool. how i wish i had one of those in my rig :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by parakitoJDM View Post
    Mazda Philippines, eto dapat ilabas din sa Pinas! di lang puro Kia & Hyundai naglalabas ng modern/powerful CrDI engines (hhhm take Ford Focus pala meron. hehe).

    hindi lang naman puro kia at hyundai ang naglabas ng CRDi engine eh.. Toyota, Ford, Isuzu naglabas din, iba-iba lang ang tawag at versions, may D4D, TDCi, I-Teq, etc... but all uses the same principle of Common rail and computer controlled injection... most vehicles with CRDi logo will usually use the Bosch system..

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    It's the price and the fuel quality that prevent others from bringing their better engines in. Our fuel is pretty bad on diesels... and many manufacturers are finding local diesel unsuitable for their more advanced diesels (if our fuel were better, we could get the near-300 hp twin turbo 3 liter diesel from BMW... mhmmm... ).

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Well, there's hope yet, if Seaoil pushes through with its plan to supply the country with Euro 5 compliant diesel fuel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yapoy86 View Post
    hindi lang naman puro kia at hyundai ang naglabas ng CRDi engine eh.. Toyota, Ford, Isuzu naglabas din, iba-iba lang ang tawag at versions, may D4D, TDCi, I-Teq, etc... but all uses the same principle of Common rail and computer controlled injection... most vehicles with CRDi logo will usually use the Bosch system..

    yes i know Toyota, Isuzu & Ford are offering their version of Common rail diesels. but we need to see their latest offering 3rd. Generation Common Rail systems. they're using Piezo injectors at much higher pressure capable of providing much more power. see the BMW 2.0d can output 170hp, and Mazda's 2.2 MZR can output >180hp.... the 3.0li D4D is only rated 165hp. even worse the 2.5li D4D makes a paltry 102hp. surely we know this is not the best that Toyota can do... we just want those Japanese manufacturers to treat Pinoy customers to the same delight they make available to their European customers. same what Kia/Hyundai does, same engine could be had in Philippine (if u had the money) . hehe.

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