2014 Mazda 3

[17Sphynx17]

The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

The 2.0 is more spectacular for its displacement, but I don't think the 1.5 is any slouch in terms of FC.


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The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

The 2.0 is more spectacular for its displacement, but I don't think the 1.5 is any slouch in terms of FC.


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I am not saying it is bad, just that it is not better. The Jazz and City can actually achieve 10km/l in the city, especially on my routes as our family does own a 2008 2nd gen city 1.3 i-Dsi AT. It can achieve up to 10.5 if better conditions are present. The Altis 1.6 Single VVTi 2001 AT we used to own (pre-Ondoy, can achieve 9.5 to 10km/l). So basically, if the Mazda 3 1.5 can only achieve 9km/l, then it is the same with the previous gen altis single VVti AT which also manages the same.

Again, not saying it's bad, just wish it was a bit better.

[NewbDriver]

Funny you should say that =P... That's exactly where I went after closing my doors looking at the Mazda 3. =) It was up there with the Mazda 3 for me as a a more practical but less emotional choice, if that makes any sense. =)

I absolutely understand.

In my case, I felt that if I'm going to buy something that I am going to use for quite a while, might as well go to what I feel I truly want. And my "reasoning" for convincing myself to go with Mazda 3 is that some shortcomings of the Mazda 3 vs. Sylphy in practicality are "liveable" or tolerable for me. Plus, the Mazda 3 is the ***ier car! (Binata pa kasi eh)

[17Sphynx17]

I absolutely understand.

In my case, I felt that if I'm going to buy something that I am going to use for quite a while, might as well go to what I feel I truly want. And my "reasoning" for convincing myself to go with Mazda 3 is that some shortcomings of the Mazda 3 vs. Sylphy in practicality are "liveable" or tolerable for me. Plus, the Mazda 3 is the ***ier car! (Binata pa kasi eh)

Yup. Although "binata" pa ako, I do ferry my parents around from time to time and I had them try the backseat and it wasn't comfortable for my dad especially. So I took them into consideration. Yung dealers din kasi ng Mazda paminsan parang ayaw magbenta, kaya medyo nakakinis din kausap. Kaya nawalan lalo ako ng gana. Next time na lang, pero baka by then target ko na Mazda 6 =P. haha!

I am open to Mazda brand pa din, I do hope their SA's improve in quality din kasi it ruined the experience for me and pushed me out. Completely different experience when it came to Nissan kaya mas naenganyo din kausap kasi they were upfront with me about everything.

Something to consider sa kanila, opt of of Yojin 3. Sana in the future, they offer that as an opt out. I wouldn't mind and prefer that to be honest. hehe!

[jut703]

The Mazda 3 lineup is interesting for me. No other compact sedan has the 2.0 outselling the 1.5/1.6L variants.

As much as I want Mazda to have a bestseller, the Mazda 3 1.5 just isn't a clear winner against the Altis 1.6 G/V, or Sylphy 1.6 CVT.

The performance is actually the biggest downer for me, but it's not that far off from the others. The Sylphy isn't actually faster than the Mz3, while the Altis just has more low-end torque but once you allow the rev-happy Mz3 to reach the upper revs, it's potent enough. Much like a Jazz/City. Actually I don't quite get why people feel that the Mz3 is heavy and underpowered, when the Jazz/City have the same characteristics wherein it takes higher revs to get good pace.

Unfortunately there aren't any engines in between the 1.5 and 2.0. So it's either so-so performance with so-so efficiency or an incredibly efficient 2-liter for 250k more.

The mid-range compact market has actually shrunk significantly over the past 2 years. The Altis is such a practical all-rounder that it eliminated the need for the Cruze, Civic, Lancer, and Elantra. The Sylphy actually doesn't differentiate much from the Altis, except perhaps a bit more luxrious treatmeant.

The Mazda 3 is the only real left-field choice with its class-leading design and handling, the only true driver's car. Too bad the space is inferior to even the Jazz/City, and that power isn't better than the City/Jazz, Fiesta Ecoboost, or Altis 1.6. Though it has made the Focus obsolete since it's overweight, underpowered, gas-guzzling, with DCT issues.


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[aRTie]

I would not really be able to get real value out of the Yojin3 knowing I only average around 10k kms per year on my drives. I would lose out immediately about 17.5k php. I wish there was an opt out of Yojin 3 and we could take the 35k out of the MSRP, but sadly there is none.

Sorry sir but i did not understand your concern here. Kahit naman mababa odo reading, you will still have your pms every 6 months for 3 years.. and regardless of the kilometrage, papalitan pa rin nila yung oil mo. Mine was only 2900 km when i had my 6 months maintenance and pinalitan pa rin naman nila yung engine oil.

In any case, congrats on your new Nissan sir! I own and love both brand.
I'm happy with the direction both companies are going nowadays.

[aRTie]

The Mz3 1.5 FC isn't so bad - 9 km/L in city driving right? That's the same as a Jazz.

7-8 km/l ata sir ang FC ng 1.5 sa pure city, iirc

[17Sphynx17]

Sorry sir but i did not understand your concern here. Kahit naman mababa odo reading, you will still have your pms every 6 months for 3 years.. and regardless of the kilometrage, papalitan pa rin nila yung oil mo. Mine was only 2900 km when i had my 6 months maintenance and pinalitan pa rin naman nila yung engine oil.

In any case, congrats on your new Nissan sir! I own and love both brand.
I'm happy with the direction both companies are going nowadays.

Actually, that is the problem I have with it. You have not yet even reached 5k kms and they changed your oil (a complete waste of resources - both peso and material). It is what Ford also does through a voucher system that comes with their purchase and they are forcing you to avail of the service immediately eventhough you don't yet need it.

With fully synthetic oil, I can run the vehicle up to 10k kms without needing any interval in the middle to have anything serviced to the car. It rationalizes the parts and labor done to my vehicle (as well as expenses incurred) as well as minimizes my need to have downtime on the vehicle just for servicing.

All our petrol cars are serviced once a year only sometimes one year and 2 months because my whole family's route is roughly around 10k kms per year as well. The PMS states there are some work they do at a 5k kms interval but they can just do that at the 10k interval anyway.

I never had a problem with any of our cars as a whole family as I monitor almost how all our vehicles service intervals to make sure we don't miss it when it does reach 10k kms.

The fact that they force you into servicing a vehicle which has not yet actually reached the PMS odo interval is just a "pampalubag loob" that you actually got the service you paid for, but you didn't need it yet to be honest. I know they still did it, but you didn't need it yet. Which is one of my biggest complaints with Yojin 3. It wastes parts and materials for those that don't need it yet.

Ford does the same and actually kept calling me about my cousin's car because I became her point person at Ford because her dad who uses it doesn't really remember to have it checked.

So essentially Mazda also learned that from Ford and I feel are milking majority of the buyers with the Yojin3 because you've advanced service payments for 60k kms worth of service which you have not yet reached.

It doesn't make sense as well for them to replace everything when they are still in good working order, so what happens to the good parts that were replaced on your vehicle. Are they trash or resold as refurbished parts outside? They are technically genuine parts right?

Makes you think. and I really hate that feeling that I am being hoodwinked as I know it doesn't make any logical sense to make me go to have change oil when I have only clocked in 2k kms on a fully synthic/semi-synthetic oil in my engine.

I know there are soome golden rule of thumbs used by most owners which are
regular oil - change every 3 month/2500kms
semi synthetic - change every 6 months/5000kms
fully synthetic - change every year/10000kms

But i've repeatedly done the following (actual servicing interval)
regular oil - change every 6 months/5000kms
fully synthetic - change eveyr 1yr and 3 months /10000kms

I've never really used semi-synthetic but i go by odo reading if I use it. I do check the oil dip stick if it becomes "sludgy" or dirty but it doesn't from what I've experienced.

[jut703]

7-8 km/l ata sir ang FC ng 1.5 sa pure city, iirc

That's worst-case scenario. Any 1.5/1.6 will get figures like that when subjected to bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Yan ang mahirap eh, the term "city driving" is actually very broad. 7pm on EDSA during a yuletide season sale is city driving. Driving on C5 on a Sunday afternoon is also city driving.

I really wish that people took more notice of their car's average speed reading so we can have more accurate comparisons, but most people can't be bothered to be objective in their measurements.

Most people just go along with the hearsay, or make subjective and baseless remarks, then claim these as truth. You'd think that as educated citizens people could be more scientific with the approach, but this is rarely the case. And that's a big pet peeve of mine.


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[JohnM]

I personally like Yojin 3 because the PMS costs are part of the amortization. I won't be shelling out more money twice a year. I think this also almost 100% ensures that all Yojin 3 units are casa maintained and this will help raise resale values a bit.

Yojin 3 is not about PMS lang. They also have concierge services and road side assistance as part of the deal.

[17Sphynx17]

That's worst-case scenario. Any 1.5/1.6 will get figures like that when subjected to bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Yan ang mahirap eh, the term "city driving" is actually very broad. 7pm on EDSA during a yuletide season sale is city driving. Driving on C5 on a Sunday afternoon is also city driving.

I really wish that people took more notice of their car's average speed reading so we can have more accurate comparisons, but most people can't be bothered to be objective in their measurements.

Most people just go along with the hearsay, or make subjective and baseless remarks, then claim these as truth. You'd think that as educated citizens people could be more scientific with the approach, but this is rarely the case. And that's a big pet peeve of mine.


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Ah yes. I understand that. But even with the 1.3 and 1.5 City/vios relatives used to own. We've never tanked to a level of 7km/l. 7.5km/l was the city driving condition we were working with as an average low figure for them. Average speed is more than 10kmph but less than 20kmph. So there is a bumper to bumper stint, but a section would open up after where the average speed would be around 30kmph if you take out the bumper to bumper portion completely. =)

*JohnM

Road side assistance comes with a BPI-Petron, Shell Citibank, Petron value card, Seaoil value card completely free and they are technically more accessible than any dealer worth their salt. Petron you need to pay upfront 100php but that is just essentially loaded onto the value card as a peso value which you can still topup into your vehicle. I would guess HSBC Caltex and Diner's Club Seaoil offers the same.

So it does not offer any added value. Same with the conceirge service. Doing it by yourself can get you better deals without having to go through a middle man as long as you know what you are doing if I am being honest. Plus credit card companies already offer some sort of promotional packages/bundles with various business like resorts/hotels, restaurants etc. So again, no value added to the purchase if that is the argument.

And you are shelling out more money. Upfront, the yojin 3 estimated costs is 35kphp. If you are paying one year and did get a rate of around 9%, then that is almost 3.5k in interest payments added onto the Yojin 3 value, 2 years at 14% adds about 4.9kphp. 3 years at 19% adds 6.65k php.

all these add ontop of the 35k assumed service cost (peso value) of Yojin 3. Again, an amount you should not even need to pay upfront.

[17Sphynx17]

I personally like Yojin 3 because the PMS costs are part of the amortization. I won't be shelling out more money twice a year. I think this also almost 100% ensures that all Yojin 3 units are casa maintained and this will help raise resale values a bit.

Yojin 3 is not about PMS lang. They also have concierge services and road side assistance as part of the deal.

To put the Yojin 3 sample to an example. If as per my example of how I drive, average 10k kms per year. And the average service interval at 10k kms costs about 6k php for every 10k PMS service (assumed since Yojin 3 is good for 60k kms worth about 35k php).

In 3 years, I would only need to spend 6k per year, no interest on top.

If I had a 3 year loan term, that "included yojin 3 service" for what is essentialy 30k clocked on the odo will cost me (as an owner) 42.5k php, instead of just 18k php... a difference of about 24.5k php. Still a big deal. that's about 450liters worth of fuel, about 10 full tanks.

I hope that made sense. Which is why I wish there was an opt out for yojin 3.

[JohnM]

Yeah I get your point. PMS is still a bit stressful for me because if you're not careful they'll insert items that you don't need.

On my 20k PMS with a very popular brand I specifically instructed the SA to remove all optional items and he consented. This was my third service call with them so I thought nagkaintindihan na kami because I had the same instructions in the previous two services. When I get my bill there was an extra 500 added in for "brake cleaning and adjustment". So on my next PMS I went to the neighborhood talyer for the oil change and DIYed the rest.

With Yojin 3 they can do all the optional services they want.

[17Sphynx17]

Yeah I get your point. PMS is still a bit stressful for me because if you're not careful they'll insert items that you don't need.

On my 20k PMS with a very popular brand I specifically instructed the SA to remove all optional items and he consented. This was my third service call with them so I thought nagkaintindihan na kami because I had the same instructions in the previous two services. When I get my bill there was an extra 500 added in for "brake cleaning and adjustment". So on my next PMS I went to the neighborhood talyer for the oil change and DIYed the rest.

With Yojin 3 they can do all the optional services they want.

Ic. I haven'thad that experience yet.

So far with my Service Advisors, in dealer casa or outside. Before I leave, they usually "interview" me and ask me about the works to be done. And I say yes or no. From there, they put it in their work order and sometimes I get a print out of the same agreed upon work.

any optional work found that may need to be done first needs to be approved by us. No approval means no consent, we won't pay.

So far this is our experience with 3 different brands/casas. I do hope this experience is still the same in other brands but I have heard horror stories. So I do keep alert as best I can.

[jut703]

That's if you look at Yojin 3 as cost loaded on the SRP. Truth is, spec-for-spec, the Mz3 is cheaper than the Altis V (999k vs 945k).

I prefer to look a Yojin 3 as a cash discount spread out over 3 years. Mazda would never give it out as a cash discount anyway so at least Yojin 3 is better than nothing.

Honda is still more stingy as they rarely offer any cash discounts and don't even give anything free.


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[aRTie]

*17Sphynx17

Got your point sir. Kala ko kasi ang issue na nakikita mo is hindi mo ma-a-avail fully yung mga free pms, but you are after the value that Yojin3 will give you. I would have to agree with Jut703 na you should not look at it as an additional cost embedded sa srp ng car but rather as an additional freebie.

Note that Yojin3 is Berjaya's offering, in a way to rebuild yung Mazda brand after they took it from Ford January of 2013. When we were getting our mazda last year, yung GM and agent na kausap namin are not sure how long the program will last. Maybe it did wonders on Mazda's sales kaya nag pursue.

Honestly, I don't see it as a permanent offering, baka pag lumakas ang market share ng Mazda alisin na rin nila. Pero i'm hoping na tumagal pa yung program.

[aRTie]

That's worst-case scenario. Any 1.5/1.6 will get figures like that when subjected to bumper-to-bumper traffic.

Yan ang mahirap eh, the term "city driving" is actually very broad. 7pm on EDSA during a yuletide season sale is city driving. Driving on C5 on a Sunday afternoon is also city driving.

I really wish that people took more notice of their car's average speed reading so we can have more accurate comparisons, but most people can't be bothered to be objective in their measurements.

Most people just go along with the hearsay, or make subjective and baseless remarks, then claim these as truth. You'd think that as educated citizens people could be more scientific with the approach, but this is rarely the case. And that's a big pet peeve of mine.

We have very few accounts of 1.5 FC as of the moment in this thread. Only 2 as i remember, both of them logged around 7.5 km/l on pure city. This is not subjective or baseless, it came from actual city consumption of 2 users here.

When we get feedback from more users, we'll get more data to average. As of the moment, we are at 7.5, hence my 7-8 km/l post earlier. This somehow gives us an idea that the FC of 1.5 could go this low.

Also, i don't think that this is the worst case scenario, both cars haven't experienced christmas season yet.

[basti08]

We have very few accounts of 1.5 FC as of the moment in this thread. Only 2 as i remember, both of them logged around 7.5 km/l on pure city. This is not subjective or baseless, it came from actual city consumption of 2 users here.

When we get feedback from more users, we'll get more data to average. As of the moment, we are at 7.5, hence my 7-8 km/l post earlier. This somehow gives us an idea that the FC of 1.5 could go this low.

Also, i don't think that this is the worst case scenario, both cars haven't experienced christmas season yet.

Any car could go that low in EDSA rush hour traffic. My Mirage 1.2L CVT could get as low as 8km/l as well during EDSA traffic.

[jut703]

We have very few accounts of 1.5 FC as of the moment in this thread. Only 2 as i remember, both of them logged around 7.5 km/l on pure city. This is not subjective or baseless, it came from actual city consumption of 2 users here.

When we get feedback from more users, we'll get more data to average. As of the moment, we are at 7.5, hence my 7-8 km/l post earlier. This somehow gives us an idea that the FC of 1.5 could go this low.

Also, i don't think that this is the worst case scenario, both cars haven't experienced christmas season yet.

I wasn't speaking for this thread alone, but in general when people start claiming that their car xx does yy km/L. Then you'll find out it's based entirely on "tantsa". That's what annoys me.

Anyway, you're right that there aren't enough 1.5 users here to have a consensus on average city driving consumption, so it's best to wait. If it does 9-11 km/l in city driving, then about 8 km/l in rush hour traffic, that would be pretty good already.


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[aRTie]

Any car could go that low in EDSA rush hour traffic. My Mirage 1.2L CVT could get as low as 8km/l as well during EDSA traffic.

I honestly did not know that, especially for mirage. I guess i'm just lucky to be in the part of metro where the roads are not that congested.

If it does 9-11 km/l in city driving, then about 8 km/l in rush hour traffic, that would be pretty good already.

Hopefully more users would share soon. I'm also hoping it would hover around 9 to 10 average on different traffic conditions.

[JohnM]

Galit na si bosing

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Saw him at the 3 launching in BGC. Totally unassuming. Mukha lang syang one of the senior High Street tambays