Carens CRDi Engine - one of the best!

[CRDIvgt]

Guys,
My friend has a Hyundai Sta Fe CRDi. We parked side by side with my Carens and compare the engines. You know what we've found? They are the same banana . Engine layout are exactly the same. Only the engine cover is different. Both has the same features:
- Intercooler Turbo VGT
- Cold air intake
- drive by wire
- Steering fluid cooler
I suspect even the belts and alternators are the same. Yun displacement lang talaga ang naiba which is 2.2liter in sta fe but the rest are pretty much the same. Sta Fe is a huge success here in the Phil and #1 SUV in the US. Galing ng CRDi engines ng Kia/Hyundai.. Power punch is there and yet very economical Walang panama ang CRDi ng Innova only 112ps at 2.5liter vs 140ps at 2.0liter of carens... ewan bakit gustong gusto nila ang innova hehe

[hominid]

Huraaaayyyy for Hyundai/KIA!!!

[tidus1203]

Guys,
My friend has a Hyundai Sta Fe CRDi. We parked side by side with my Carens and compare the engines. You know what we've found? They are the same banana . Engine layout are exactly the same. Only the engine cover is different. Both has the same features:
- Intercooler Turbo VGT
- Cold air intake
- drive by wire
- Steering fluid cooler
I suspect even the belts and alternators are the same. Yun displacement lang talaga ang naiba which is 2.2liter in sta fe but the rest are pretty much the same. Sta Fe is a huge success here in the Phil and #1 SUV in the US. Galing ng CRDi engines ng Kia/Hyundai.. Power punch is there and yet very economical Walang panama ang CRDi ng Innova only 112ps at 2.5liter vs 140ps at 2.0liter of carens... ewan bakit gustong gusto nila ang innova hehe

Agree parang palyado yung D4D ng Toyota performance wise aand even reliability wise. But a Toyota is a Toyota and and they are the soon to be #1 car company in the world (probably this year since GM is struggling) and a Hyundai/KIA is still a Hyundai/KIA. Ganun talaga sa Pilipinas, the resale values will tell you the story pretty much on how people view the cars... So while the Carens is obviously superior to the Innova, brand name still prevails and the sales prove that... Heck even the Corolla Altis which is inferior to the Lancer and Civic won the April sales (but maybe because its was just released). Well pabayaan na ninyo sila, just enjoy your cars...

[CRDIvgt]

Yeah I agree with being brand concious especially most of us Filos... But I think consumers should start being objective in buying a car, I mean tabulate the criteria and compare point by point. The thing is, the popular car company is the one benefiting on it instead of the buyers. Like for example the Altis, they have used the same vvti engine technology and still 4 speed a/t and yet it is still selling ewan. Dito lang nila ginagawa yan sa pinas, in other country, they'll use dual vvti and a 5 speed a/t.... i think the resale value will level itself soon once the general public becomes more familiar with the available technologies

[xTrememan]

Hyundai/Kia CRDi engines have very good performance... ok lang maging brand conscious kaya lang pagkinompare ka sa ibang magandang sasakyan for example eto ngang Innova or Carens, syempre thumbs up sa Carens talaga. Bang for the buck talaga and performance wise. Pero like sir tidus1203 said, "enjoy your cars..." kahit ano pang brand binili nyo.

[batangmahal]

Hyundai/Kia CRDi engines have very good performance... ok lang maging brand conscious kaya lang pagkinompare ka sa ibang magandang sasakyan for example eto ngang Innova or Carens, syempre thumbs up sa Carens talaga. Bang for the buck talaga and performance wise. Pero like sir tidus1203 said, "enjoy your cars..." kahit ano pang brand binili nyo.

buying is really more of an emotional impulse than an intelligent choice. drive inspired!

[4JGtootsie]

When i buy cars/suv I scrutinize the fuel systems especially in diesels. The main concept of an engine hasn't change much but the fuel system has evolved greatly. Do some research before buying and you will know european fuel systems is the benchmark when it comes to reliability, performance and economy.

[otot85]

ang honda ba kailan kaya mag develop ng Crdi sa mga models nila..?? sana meron din para maganda ang competition sa market at bumaba ang mga prices nila..

[woohoo]

Guys,
My friend has a Hyundai Sta Fe CRDi. We parked side by side with my Carens and compare the engines. You know what we've found? They are the same banana . Engine layout are exactly the same. Only the engine cover is different. Both has the same features:
- Intercooler Turbo VGT
- Cold air intake
- drive by wire
- Steering fluid cooler
I suspect even the belts and alternators are the same. Yun displacement lang talaga ang naiba which is 2.2liter in sta fe but the rest are pretty much the same. Sta Fe is a huge success here in the Phil and #1 SUV in the US. Galing ng CRDi engines ng Kia/Hyundai.. Power punch is there and yet very economical Walang panama ang CRDi ng Innova only 112ps at 2.5liter vs 140ps at 2.0liter of carens... ewan bakit gustong gusto nila ang innova hehe

Good to know this. It's an amazing find.

Na-shock ako sa revelation ng 2.5L 112ps versus 2.0L 140ps!

Hmmm... I think the Carens will make a nice NEXT CAR! Hehehe.

[woohoo]

Guys,
My friend has a Hyundai Sta Fe CRDi. We parked side by side with my Carens and compare the engines. You know what we've found? They are the same banana . Engine layout are exactly the same. Only the engine cover is different. Both has the same features:
- Intercooler Turbo VGT
- Cold air intake
- drive by wire
- Steering fluid cooler
I suspect even the belts and alternators are the same. Yun displacement lang talaga ang naiba which is 2.2liter in sta fe but the rest are pretty much the same. Sta Fe is a huge success here in the Phil and #1 SUV in the US. Galing ng CRDi engines ng Kia/Hyundai.. Power punch is there and yet very economical Walang panama ang CRDi ng Innova only 112ps at 2.5liter vs 140ps at 2.0liter of carens... ewan bakit gustong gusto nila ang innova hehe

Good to know this. It's an amazing find.

Na-shock ako sa revelation ng 2.5L 112ps versus 2.0L 140ps!

Hmmm... I think the Carens will make a nice NEXT CAR! Hehehe.

[scharnhorst]

Good to know this. It's an amazing find.

Na-shock ako sa revelation ng 2.5L 112ps versus 2.0L 140ps!

Hmmm... I think the Carens will make a nice NEXT CAR! Hehehe.

Eto pa: the innova doesn't have a VGT nor an intercooler

[niky]

Hey, let's cool down guys.

Some points:

While the local Carens doesn't get as many airbags as the US/European version, what we look at besides airbag activation is the strength of the crash cell, and the Carens scored relatively well in regards to structural deformation in the EuroNCAP.

This is why I prefer using EuroNCAP as a resource rather than IHSTA or NHSTA, because it looks at both structural deformation and airbag deployment. Very useful, that, considering airbags don't go off in all crashes.

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Rollover - while the Innova has not been tested for crash survivability, the structure is shared with the Hilux, which has been tested on the ANCAP, and has scored 4 stars. Also, in road testing, I have noted even the Fortuner, the most top-heavy of the IMMVs, is not prone to rollover, due to the stiff suspension.

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Tama si lastpogi... the Innova and Carens are not direct competitors. The Carens is too small and soft to be used as an AUV or passenger-cargo carrier. The Innova is not as comfortable as a car-based MPV like the Carens. To each their own.

[vinrem]

Guys, cool lang....i agree with lastpogi, we really cant compare auv with mpv, and as what i understand, dapat topic natin dito ay yung engine performance and not carens/innova or mpv/auv or car brands as a whole. Alam naman natin lahat na there is no perfect car, maski na benz or bmw or may a ferarri di rin sila perfect eh. PEACE!!!

[xTrememan]

Lumilipad sa ibang topic... hehe! Engine lang mga tol... engine lang! Hehehe! Masyado kasi loyal sa kani kanilang Innova or Carens kaya di nagkakasundo. WEEE! ^_^

[tidus1203]

Siguro ang mali lang sa thread nito medyo kasi may pagka flame bait yung first post since nag-mention pa na inferior yung D4D instead of just sticking on praising the CRDi. While totoo namaan sinabi nya alam naman natin madaming mga loyalists ang Innova and Toyota in general at siguro mas mabuti na hindi namention yun at praise na lang yung CRDi engine ng Carens...

[CRDIvgt]

Alright men... maybe i shouldn't mentioned the other brand Pero I'm sure this tread is still beneficial to all for the sake of information. I know you guys are all professional, so i hope we'll not take whatever said here as an insult or whatever but for technical discussions only.. and also to help the future car buyers by information posted here

Back to topic. Anybody know what is the current CRDI generation of the Carens? 2nd generation is like cutting wood with water as medium and 3rd is cutting metal with water as medium... Meron na bang engine na 3rd gen CRDI?

[niky]

CRDi gives you consistent pressure and allows for more efficient combustion.

What I've seen of high powered CRDi engines, they've achieved high power through using high-pressure turbocharging, something they couldn't do with ancient diesels, because to ensure enough fuel to safely run the engines at these compression pressures, they'd need to waste a lot of fuel. Modern CRDis make more power not because of the CRDi system itself, but because it allows you to safely increase power without decreasing reliability.

But the extra power is all in the turbos and the programming.

I don't know how much more power you can reliably run on new CRDis. Some "tuners" are already getting 100 bhp per liter out of modern diesels, but to make this much power, you sacrifice low-end power and flexibility. Heck, even "stock" CRDis with high specific outputs are starting to get pretty "peaky" compared to other CRDis.

Still, my next car will probably be CRDi (Ford TDCi, specifically)... not just because of the economy... but because of the power...

[safeorigin]

sir niky, might wanna wait for the mitsubishi's version of 2.0 crdi i heard it has good numbers on it

[JJCarEnthusiast]

SO: sa anong car ang 2.0 crdi na yan? hmmm ok yan ah

nikky: diesel power? mitsubishi v6 diesel o di kaya veracruz

[niky]

sir niky, might wanna wait for the mitsubishi's version of 2.0 crdi i heard it has good numbers on it

What engine and what car? That'll depend on whether Mitsubishi Philippines can bring it in. As many of the new car models are Taiwan sourced, it might be a veeeeery long time coming.

The only reason we get the TDCi Focus is because we're a production hub for Asia.

The only reason we get the Getz and the Accent is because Hyundai's marketing of the Accent overseas has been a great success... something that the Accent hasn't achieved locally yet, though I see a few here and there.

Till anyone else decides to bring something in, the Focus will still be the best-handling and most powerful (135 hp, bah... try 160... ...yes, Ford lies... )diesel compact in the non-luxury category.