2012 Kia Rio

[c_cube]

My best fc so far..

304.9 kms / 33.33 liters (auto)= 9.15
60 city with around 30-45 mins traffic
40 hway
Caltex gold
Odo 2060+
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Dinala ko kanina unit ko sa dealer tas nandun din ang technical guy from CAC

- sabi sa akin ng technical, wala daw rough estimate sa city driving na nakuha nun nag test w/DOE, sa hiway lang which was 16 km/l

- tinanong ko kung malakas ba ang 6km/l sa city na subcompact at 1.4 ang makina, ang sagot "depende sir eh, kasi maraming pwedeng variable" sabi ko malakas yun, hindi daw "maraming factors". Sabi ko nga eh, paano kung bibili palang ako ng rio tas tatanungan ko siya kung ilan fc pag city, sabi niya wala daw sagot. Pansin ko iniiwasan talaga niya magbigay ng value eh

- nagtest drive kami sa c5 for 30 kms, syempre maganda fc 12km/l ayon sa MID. Ave speed was 35km. Mixed driving daw yun ayon sa kanya. Sabi ko nga hindi ba hiway figures yan dahil sa c5 tas hindi tayo halos huminto. Sagot sa akin, ang hiway driving daw ay "driving for 80kph for 10mins daw, yun steady speed' - napa OK nalang ako..

- tas kung pwede daw gamitin yun vpower na 97 ron para daw masmaganda response at sunog ng gas. Sabi ko, wala naman problema sa akin ang 95 ron eh, tas nun chineck spark plug ko, malinis naman.

- ito naman napansin ko, yun aircon pag naka-on, normal talaga na tumataas yun fc pero konte lang eh. Kasi dun sa gadget na ako humawak habang nag tetest drive, pag naka on ang aircon, mga .8 lang yun tinataas ng figures sa injection time. Pag naka idle lang na patay aircon nasa 2.48 tas pag on ng aircon nagiging 3.28 pero hindi ko alam yun unit of measurement.

- ecu ko have the latest firmware. Yun nakuhang ecu update ni cyberian sa mga unang batch lang ng rio daw kelangan gawin yun. At walang speed sensing lock daw ang rio talaga, hindi daw na aactivate sabi nun technical.

So in short, parang ang dating sa akin as per the technical guy na normal lang para sa mga CAC yun FC natin sa city driving. Sa akin naman never bumaba ng 6km/l ang fc pero 7-8 kong nakukuha sa city driving, tingin ko talaga malakas compare sa ibang brand ng sasakyan sa same category. At sabi sa akin nun technical, may nakukuha na nga silang mga complaints na malakas sa gas pero mukhang wala silang magawa dito kaya parang pinararating nila na normal lang yun.

Feeling ko tuloy nagsayang lang ako ng oras sa nangyari hahaha! Ang maganda lang siguro as per DTC, walang errors na nakita sa unit ko hahaha!


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[renzo_d10]

Ganyan naman CASA eh. Kapag walang mahanap na solusyon, i-declare as normal.

[niky]

nagtest drive kami sa c5 for 30 kms, syempre maganda fc 12km/l ayon sa MID. Ave speed was 35km. Mixed driving daw yun ayon sa kanya. Sabi ko nga hindi ba hiway figures yan dahil sa c5 tas hindi tayo halos huminto. Sagot sa akin, ang hiway driving daw ay "driving for 80kph for 10mins daw, yun steady speed' - napa OK nalang ako..

That's true, sorry. Highway is considered a steady speed of 80 km/h. If your average speed is 35 km/h, and your cruising speed was 60-70 km/h, that means there were a lot of start-stop cycles. That's what we consider "mixed" in the biz.

Or, to put it another way... yes, we can get 25+ km/l from micro-cars on the highway, but you'd better pray there's no traffic, otherwise 20 is the best you'll get.

- ito naman napansin ko, yun aircon pag naka-on, normal talaga na tumataas yun fc pero konte lang eh. Kasi dun sa gadget na ako humawak habang nag tetest drive, pag naka on ang aircon, mga .8 lang yun tinataas ng figures sa injection time. Pag naka idle lang na patay aircon nasa 2.48 tas pag on ng aircon nagiging 3.28 pero hindi ko alam yun unit of measurement.

AC really draws a lot more at idle. An AC compressor draws an average of 15-20 hp from the engine. In our latest dyno-test at Speedlab, the Eon lost 15 hp when we turned on the AC. So when you're moving, your car is making around 30-40 hp... so the draw of the AC only adds a little to the load. When you coast, the AC is being turned by the engine, which is in turn, being turned by the wheels. But when you're stopped, the engine makes only 5-10 hp at idle... with the AC on, extra gas has to be pumped in to make that 15 horsepower.

So in short, parang ang dating sa akin as per the technical guy na normal lang para sa mga CAC yun FC natin sa city driving. Sa akin naman never bumaba ng 6km/l ang fc pero 7-8 kong nakukuha sa city driving, tingin ko talaga malakas compare sa ibang brand ng sasakyan sa same category. At sabi sa akin nun technical, may nakukuha na nga silang mga complaints na malakas sa gas pero mukhang wala silang magawa dito kaya parang pinararating nila na normal lang yun.

Feeling ko tuloy nagsayang lang ako ng oras sa nangyari hahaha! Ang maganda lang siguro as per DTC, walang errors na nakita sa unit ko hahaha!


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Small city cars nowadays are very heavy. In my driving, in (heavy) traffic, this is my observation:

Ford Fiesta 1.6 6AT: 6.5 km/l.
Hyundai Accent 1.6 4AT: 6 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.5 5AT: 6.5 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.3 5AT: 7.5 km/l.
Kia Picanto 4AT: 8.5 km/l.
Mazda2 1.5 4AT: 7.5 km/l.
Toyota Vios 1.5 4AT: 7 km/l.

Di exact yun, ball-park... meron kasing days na mas grabe, meron days na mas malakas. Pero i-kumpara mo sa mga kotse na iba na dinala ko sa route na yun:

CR-V 2.4 5AT: 4.5 km/l
Corolla 2.0: 5 km/l
Ford Focus TDCI DCT: 7.5 km/l.

Suzuki Alto 1.0 (but MT): 13 km/l
Hyundai Eon 800cc (but MT, again): 13.5 km/l
Chery QQ 1.0 (MT): 9-10 km/l lang.

Traffic is traffic. Them's the breaks. Kung 35 km/h average at 12 km/l ka pa, that's actually decent. Kung gusto mo ng better economy, sell the car and buy a manual. 4AT, small engine, heavy car? Never going to be as good as a lighter car with better gears. Nahahabaan ako sa gearing ng Rio 4AT... bitin talaga. The manual transmission is much, much, much better.

Kaya the first suggestion I make to people buying new small cars... never get the automatic. Some atuos, like the one in the Fiesta, are almost as economical as manuals, but most suck. Period. Consider how heavy the transmission is compared to the manual, how hard it is to turn the torque converter, which is immersed in fluid, and how little power the engine makes. It's hard to expect good economy out of that combination.

[valacirca]

Nahahabaan ako sa gearing ng Rio 4AT... bitin talaga.

Kaya the first suggestion I make to people buying new small cars... never get the automatic.

Sir, what do you mean by "nahahabaan sa gearing"? I might not understand this because I just started driving a month ago

I bought the 1.4 Rio4 AT because I just want something easy and convenient to drive. So far the 5-6kmL in heavy traffic and 8-9kmL in moderate traffic seems okay.

Haven't really tried it yet in light city traffic and highway driving.

BTW: Unrelated question... do you guys know how big the "bubble" of the keyless system is on the Rio?

[rio5]

Small

Ford Fiesta 1.6 6AT: 6.5 km/l.
Hyundai Accent 1.6 4AT: 6 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.5 5AT: 6.5 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.3 5AT: 7.5 km/l.
Kia Picanto 4AT: 8.5 km/l.
Mazda2 1.5 4AT: 7.5 km/l.
Toyota Vios 1.5 4AT: 7 k

CR-V 2.4 5AT: 4.5 km/l
Corolla 2.0: 5 km/l
Ford Focus TDCI DCT: 7.5 km/l.

Suzuki Alto 1.0 (but MT): 13 km/l
Hyundai Eon 800cc (but MT, again): 13.5 km/l
Chery QQ 1.0 (MT): 9-10 km/l lang. :

hi niky i was wondering if you own all this car or simply a motoring guy who get the chance to test drive all this different cars and post a review,sayang lang kasi kung nauna review mo sa kia rio5 baka nag dalawang isip ako na bilhin ito hehehehe

[niky]

Regarding gearing, here's a comparison of the 1.2 MT and the 1.4 AT:


The solid lines are the 1.2 liter manual, the dotted lines the 1.4 automatic.

Wherever the solid lines are higher, the 1.2 is putting more power to the ground than the 1.4. Wherever the dotted lines are higher, the 1.4 is putting more power to the ground.

Notice also, that when you shift from first gear to second, malayo pa siya sa peak torque (for the 1.4).

Notice how long first and second gear are on the 1.4. First gear goes past 60 km/h, second well past 120. Not ideal for a small engine. This reminds me of the 1.6 liter Mazda3, a car which had people complaining about fuel economy. When I drove it, fuel economy was not that bad. The issue was the gearing was so long that drivers felt "bitin" and stepped on the gas harder to make it accelerate.

The 1.2, on the other hand, lacks power at high speeds, but it has good acceleration in second gear, so the driver doesn't really mind. Second gear for the 1.4 is very, very loooong. I've driven the 1.4 4AT sedan and the 1.2 MT sedan. The 1.2 feels much more peppy and more fun. The 1.4 feels sluggish and heavy. And it's all because of the gear ratios.

hi niky i was wondering if you own all this car or simply a motoring guy who get the chance to test drive all this different cars and post a review,sayang lang kasi kung nauna review mo sa kia rio5 baka nag dalawang isip ako na bilhin ito hehehehe

Work for bigbigcar.com and kotse.com. I didn't have a full test drive of the Rio 1.4. I picked it up for another writer at Kia and dropped it off at his place. On that list, the Rio 1.2 would be around 8. Lots better because it's a manual.

niky may kinalaman ba talaga tire size sa fuel economy?

Heavier wheels and tires are harder to accelerate. On an inertial dyno, like at Autoplus, 17" wheels can rob a small engine like the Rio's of 5-10 horsepower versus 14" or 15" rims.

[valacirca]

hindi talaga accurate ang sa MID natin. masmababa lagi ng 0.7km sa manual computation. Most of the time ganun nakukuha kong difference eh.

hindi accurate yan nasa display cluster natin na AVERAGE FUEL ECOMY,malaki difference nila,kasi sakin lumalabas don mga 8.5km/L pero pag compute manually nasa 7km/L lang.

Hm. Sir, hindi po ba ang contradicting yung observation ninyo ni c_cube and rio5?

Ang intindi ko sa sinasabi ni c_cube is mas mababa yung nasa display compared sa manual comp. Ang intindi ko naman sa sinasabi ni rio5 is mas mataas yung nasa display compared sa manual comp? Tama po ba?

hi valacirca ito gawin mo full tank ka yun auto stop lang yun first click lang ng gas pump then reset mo trip A mo, now drive your car for at least 50 kilometers or more, better kung a week then fill up again if possible same pump and same time,auto stop then record mo ilang liters lumabas sa gas pump,example yun trip meter mo nag register ng 137 kilometers and yun reading ng pump mo is 24.08 liters, divede mo 137 sa 24.08 you get your average fuel consumption.

1. Pa-full tank ka
2. Reset Trip meter
3. Sa next na full tank mo.. take note kung ilang liters nakarga mo..
4. Read the trip meter kung ilan tinakbo ng kotse

Trip meter/Liters = FC mo

Ah okay, gets. Thanks. Pero obviously magiging mixed driving ang resulta nito diba? Kasi hindi naman natin macocontrol yung driving conditions? Minsan light ang traffic, minsan bumper-to-bumper. Ginagawa ko kasi currently, nirereset ko yung "L/100km" na reading every morning before going to work and every evening before going home, kaya yung makukuha kong reading, alam kong within the context nung driving conditions nung umaga/gabing yun.

[rio5]

hi niky ive read sa yahoo answers that the OEM programming is not best for milage,but best for emission,is this true? does the rio5 euro3 compliant really affects the fuel economy, thats why some owners they install this ECU chips that increases torque and saves fuel

[eido]

Heavier wheels and tires are harder to accelerate. On an inertial dyno, like at Autoplus, 17" wheels can rob a small engine like the Rio's of 5-10 horsepower versus 14" or 15" rims.

ah so it's not really the rim size but the weight of the rim. larger rim = heavier?

last na. sorry sa off topic. where do you generate the graphs? thanks

[lantis07]

Small

Ford Fiesta 1.6 6AT: 6.5 km/l.
Hyundai Accent 1.6 4AT: 6 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.5 5AT: 6.5 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.3 5AT: 7.5 km/l.
Kia Picanto 4AT: 8.5 km/l.
Mazda2 1.5 4AT: 7.5 km/l.
Toyota Vios 1.5 4AT: 7 k

CR-V 2.4 5AT: 4.5 km/l
Corolla 2.0: 5 km/l
Ford Focus TDCI DCT: 7.5 km/l.

Suzuki Alto 1.0 (but MT): 13 km/l
Hyundai Eon 800cc (but MT, again): 13.5 km/l
Chery QQ 1.0 (MT): 9-10 km/l lang. :

hi niky i was wondering if you own all this car or simply a motoring guy who get the chance to test drive all this different cars and post a review,sayang lang kasi kung nauna review mo sa kia rio5 baka nag dalawang isip ako na bilhin ito hehehehe

Actually agree with the figures for Honda Jazz. Traffic here in Metro Manila is so bad that it makes our Jazz look like my Mazda 3 2.0 in terms of fuel consumption. On light traffic days, we do around 10-11km/l and even 15 to 18 km/l during long drives. During weekdays driving in morning and evening rush hour traffic, fuel consumption goes down to as low as 6.5 km/l. This is a 2010 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-VTEC. My Mazda 3 gets around 5.5 to 6 km/l during really bad traffic and about 9-10km/l during weekends both are well maintained by their respective dealers.

Are the bad FC figures for the Rio based on weekday traffic? O ganun parin kasama during lighter traffic days? Sayang interested sana ako sa kanya. Super pogi nung car eh

[GrayFox47]

Actually agree with the figures for Honda Jazz. Traffic here in Metro Manila is so bad that it makes our Jazz look like my Mazda 3 2.0 in terms of fuel consumption. On light traffic days, we do around 10-11km/l and even 15 to 18 km/l during long drives. During weekdays driving in morning and evening rush hour traffic, fuel consumption goes down to as low as 6.5 km/l. This is a 2010 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-VTEC. My Mazda 3 gets around 5.5 to 6 km/l during really bad traffic and about 9-10km/l during weekends both are well maintained by their respective dealers.

Are the bad FC figures for the Rio based on weekday traffic? O ganun parin kasama during lighter traffic days? Sayang interested sana ako sa kanya. Super pogi nung car eh

Chevy spark owner here. Just refueled the tank. 625 kms 42 liters = 14.93 kms/ltr. My full yank lasts me a month. Purely city driving. Tandang sora - Ortigas and back. I use it 6-7 times a week. with short runs over the weekend. I drive it like a race car in the city, pushing it to its limits. Damn! I love my chevy!!!

[rio5]

Actually agree with the figures for Honda Jazz. Traffic here in Metro Manila is so bad that it makes our Jazz look like my Mazda 3 2.0 in terms of fuel consumption. On light traffic days, we do around 10-11km/l and even 15 to 18 km/l during long drives. During weekdays driving in morning and evening rush hour traffic, fuel consumption goes down to as low as 6.5 km/l. This is a 2010 Honda Jazz 1.5 i-VTEC. My Mazda 3 gets around 5.5 to 6 km/l during really bad traffic and about 9-10km/l during weekends both are well maintained by their respective dealers.

Are the bad FC figures for the Rio based on weekday traffic? O ganun parin kasama during lighter traffic days? Sayang interested sana ako sa kanya. Super pogi nung car eh

hi lantis07 i agree with you regarding super pogi ng car, not to mention the great features of the car,pang luxury nga although tone down sya ng ni release sa ibang bansa. but if you are for an economy car, go for toyota subok na yan like my old vios,i cant comment on the new mirage and the chevy sonic regarding sa fc nila.

[rio5]

[QUOTE=c_cube;2000605]My best fc so far..

304.9 kms / 33.33 liters (auto)= 9.15
60 city with around 30-45 mins traffic
40 hway
Caltex gold

hi c_cube natuloy ka pala sa pag test ng auto mo,ask ko lang did you mention to them na hindi accurate yan nasa display cluster natin na AVERAGE FUEL ECOMY,malaki difference nila,kasi sakin lumalabas don mga 8.5km/L pero pag compute manually nasa 7km/L lang.and so dahil dyan sa test na ginawa sayo we have to accept na ganito na talaga fc ng rio5,well i guess sa mga future buyers ng rio5 dyan,kung kaya nyo gas guzzler na sub compact na auto na ma porma this is it hehehehe

[eido]

niky may kinalaman ba talaga tire size sa fuel economy?

[valacirca]

[quote=rio5;2001072]

My best fc so far..

304.9 kms / 33.33 liters (auto)= 9.15
60 city with around 30-45 mins traffic
40 hway
Caltex gold

hi c_cube natuloy ka pala sa pag test ng auto mo,ask ko lang did you mention to them na hindi accurate yan nasa display cluster natin na AVERAGE FUEL ECOMY,malaki difference nila,kasi sakin lumalabas don mga 8.5km/L pero pag compute manually nasa 7km/L lang.and so dahil dyan sa test na ginawa sayo we have to accept na ganito na talaga fc ng rio5,well i guess sa mga future buyers ng rio5 dyan,kung kaya nyo gas guzzler na sub compact na auto na ma porma this is it hehehehe

what do you mean manual computation, sir?

how do you compute your fuel consumption manuall without relying on the built-in display/computation of the Rio?

[chua_allan]

what do you mean manual computation, sir?

how do you compute your fuel consumption manuall without relying on the built-in display/computation of the Rio?

1. Pa-full tank ka
2. Reset Trip meter
3. Sa next na full tank mo.. take note kung ilang liters nakarga mo..
4. Read the trip meter kung ilan tinakbo ng kotse

Trip meter/Liters = FC mo

[rio5]

[QUOTE=valacirca;2001094]

what do you mean manual computation, sir?

how do you compute your fuel consumption manuall without relying on the built-in display/computation of the Rio?

hi valacirca ito gawin mo full tank ka yun auto stop lang yun first click lang ng gas pump then reset mo trip A mo,now drive your car for at least 50 kilometers or more, better kung a week then fill up again if possible same pump and same time,auto stop then record mo ilang liters lumabas sa gas pump,example yun trip meter mo nag register ng 137 kilometers and yun reading ng pump mo is 24.08 liters, divede mo 137 sa 24.08 you get your average fuel consumption.

[rio5]

i was just wondering kung yun previous model ng kia rio is the same engine or different sa rio ngayon? kasi wala silang problem sa fc at may mga taxi pa nga ako nakikita.

[c_cube]

hi c_cube natuloy ka pala sa pag test ng auto mo,ask ko lang did you mention to them na hindi accurate yan nasa display cluster natin na AVERAGE FUEL ECOMY,malaki difference nila,kasi sakin lumalabas don mga 8.5km/L pero pag compute manually nasa 7km/L lang.and so dahil dyan sa test na ginawa sayo we have to accept na ganito na talaga fc ng rio5,well i guess sa mga future buyers ng rio5 dyan,kung kaya nyo gas guzzler na sub compact na auto na ma porma this is it hehehehe

hindi talaga accurate ang sa MID natin. masmababa lagi ng 0.7km sa manual computation. Most of the time ganun nakukuha kong difference eh.

FUNNY ng CAC.. dapat gagamit kami ng manual computation dahil may dala siyang "FUEL PET" pero ito ang nangyari.... yun dala ng taga CAC ay SIRA!!!! hindi gumagana. Tapos dapat kukuha kami sa office nila sa pasay pero nahiram daw ng isang dealer... 2 lang daw ang ganun ng CAC, sabi ko nga eh, laking company niyo 2 lang ganyan niyo, napa smile nalang si kuya hahaha!

[pop3corn]

So to summarize the FCs (all city ito, minsan bumper to bumper

Kia Soul 1.6 AT - 6km/liter - the SX4 daw in SX4 is averaging 9km/liter considering same 1.6 pero Japan Cbu kse SX4
Kia Sportage 2.0 AT (Kay * SG) - 5-6km/liter
Kia Picanto AT - 8.5km/liter
Kia Carnival 2.9 MT Crdi - 7km//liter (from Carnival thread) - this is Medyo disappointing cozMT pero 2.9 namn
Kia Sorento 2.4 CVVT AT - 4-5km/liter (from Sorento Pictures thread) our V6 Ford Explorer has the same FC.
Kia Sorento R 2.2 Crdi - 7-8km/liter (from Sorento Pictures thread) well this given coz EVGT Ito eh, my SF VGT is 9km/liter all city.
Kia Rio HB AT - 5-6km/liter
Kia Rio Sedan MT Sedan - 10-12 km/liter

So I guess the safest bet is if u want to buy a Kia, get the MT models, para naman umokey ang FC

gas guzzlers ang mga AT nila, probably nga Hindi light metals ang ginamit dyan sa mga new body Kia's.

Pag bare Kia Lang matipid, once those amenities kick in nakakataas ng FC.

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