Why I don't see any Isuzu Trooper V6 around

[PapaBravo]

Hi everyone,

I traded my Pajero 96 for a 98 Trooper V6 3.2, though I have to shell out some cash. Mas smooth siya at powerful. Pero malakas din sa gas.

Bakit wala akong nakikitang Trooper na V6 gasoline edition sa kalsada? Totoo bang locally manufactured ito. Was there a year in which Isuzu made these tapos hindi na tinuloy ang production? Bakit? May problema kaya ang engine na to?

Sorry for the many questions. Nagtataka lang talaga ako. At minsan nababahala din. But this is not to say that I am not satisfied with my purchase. Most troopers are Turbo Diesels kasi.

Any satisfied (or dissatisfied) Trooper V6 owners in this forum?

Cheers!

[ironarch]

diba imported yun?

[boybi]

nakaroon ng locally produced ng gas V6 ang trooper dati. don't know why it was discontinued.

[OTEP]

Mahina ang benta nito that time. Yung mga local na Trooper V6 ay yung 177 bhp SOHC version. Sa ibang markets lumabas yung 190 bhp at 215 bhp na DOHC engine.

Saka, Isuzu is pushing for diesel supremacy kaya medyo out of place sa local line up ang gasoline engine.

May cruise control ito. Pero otherwise, very basic lang siya.

[RedHorse]

hindi ba matigas ang steering?

yon kasi ang inayawan ng friend ko, that was 1998.

[boyscout]

i own one ok naman siya.

[benchph1]

as far as i know, it was back in 1996 when isuzu brought in CBU units of the trooper. 3.2 v6 gasoline engine. there were few who bought the gas-powered troopers, but eventually it was discounted for the reason mentioned by otep. a diesel engine is more preferred bymost pinoys even up to now. how can u tell that the trooper you see on the street is a gas-powered one? look for the "v6" emblem on the left & right fender. you should also notice that they are not equipped with hood scoops.

[johnqpublic318]

3.2 V6 gas-powered Troopers were available from Phil dealers from 97 to 98. The 97s have the 3.2 sohc V6 rated at 177hp while the 98s received the 3.2 dohc V6 rated at 205hp. A few may have been available as late as 99.

The dealer available 98 3.2 dohc V6 Troopers while have a dash switch or knob to engage 4wd instead of floor mounted lever. While the 3.2 sohc V6 models have disk brakes, the dohc versions (mostly 98s) have the additional benefit of ABS. On the outside, dohc versions will have a badge to indicate this and will have honey-comb or mesh design wheels.

Local 97-98 V6 gas Troopers are close in spec (but not exact) to 94-96 U.S. models but aren't equipped with cat converters and O2 sensors.

Transmission for these V6 gas units is the GM 4L30.

Final drive is 4.56 and the rear diff is equipped with a limited-slip. LSD is standard on Phil models but optional for the U.S. market.

In 97 or 98 U.S. spec Troopers received the 230hp 3.5L V6 and full-time capable Torque-On-Demand transfer case while Phil units remained with the 3.2 sohc/dohc and part-time t-case.

The best Phil spec Troopers are the 98 dohc 4x4s and the 99-00 160hp common-rail direct-injected 3L 16-valve diesel 4x4 units.

Current 4x2 Troopers still have the CDI diesel but are now just dressed-up Barbie dolls with leather, entertainment systems and sunroofs. They are mere shadows of their tough former selves and not worthy of comparison to the Troopers that compete in the gruelling yearly Isuzu Challenge.

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[CZintrclr]

My wife's cousin just bought a brand new Trooper V6 at Subic. kakilala nya kasi ang isa sa mga importers doon. And may dumating early this year mga 12 units all brand new, original left hand drive pero walang flarings, mags and stereo. Pero the price ...... 1M only.
Nagpakabit sya ng 17"mags and palagay ng flarings which costs less than 100thousand.
Imagine a brand new trooper V6 for 1M only.

[johnqpublic318]

Interesting... Are these Troopers equipped with the 3.5 or 3.2?

I understand alloy wheels and stereos but flarings are mere garnishes that don't serve a purpose.

[OTEP]

The flares do allow you to put wider tires without worrying so much about stones or debris they might kick up. The body cladding on my rig also protects it from parking lot dings and dents. hehehe.

Easy to repair pa compared to crunched metal.

[RedHorse]

Originally posted by CZintrclr
My wife's cousin just bought a brand new Trooper V6 at Subic. kakilala nya kasi ang isa sa mga importers doon. And may dumating early this year mga 12 units all brand new, original left hand drive pero walang flarings, mags and stereo. Pero the price ...... 1M only.
Nagpakabit sya ng 17"mags and palagay ng flarings which costs less than 100thousand.
Imagine a brand new trooper V6 for 1M only.

meron pa kaya nito?

[ondoy]

Current 4x2 Troopers still have the CDI diesel but are now just dressed-up Barbie dolls with leather, entertainment systems and sunroofs. They are mere shadows of their tough former selves and not worthy of comparison to the Troopers that compete in the gruelling yearly Isuzu Challenge.

Whatta flame!..........

What is/are being compared to the current (3.0L common-rail direct-injection TDI) 4x2 Troopers? A 4x4 version of the current 4x2 model? This is a comparison between an apple and an orange! Nevertheless, it should be noted the main difference between the 4x2 and 4x4, 3.0L TDI is only in the power train; specifically, in the absence of 4wd facilities in the 4x2 version. You still have the same 160 hp brute powering the elegant Trooper.

Do you want to compare the current 3.0L TDI with the 3.2L or the 3.1L of yesteryears? No comparison man, hands-down, the current 4x2 Trooper, licks these old brethren in all departments, except in 4wd capability. It is like comparing a beetle with the phaeton.

[johnqpublic318]

Originally posted by ondoy
Whatta flame!..........

Nevertheless, it should be noted the main difference between the 4x2 and 4x4, 3.0L TDI is only in the power train; specifically, in the absence of 4wd facilities in the 4x2 version. You still have the same 160 hp brute powering the elegant Trooper.

Do you want to compare the current 3.0L TDI with the 3.2L or the 3.1L of yesteryears? No comparison man, hands-down, the current 4x2 Trooper, licks these old brethren in all departments, except in 4wd capability. It is like comparing a beetle with the phaeton.

Actually the main difference is between the 99 3.0 4x4 Trooper and the current 4x2 variant is the drivetrain. Using the term powertrain includes the engine.

My analogy is correct and it's not like comparing the Beetle and the Phaeton. The Beetle and the Phaeton are totally different animals that don't share platforms and aren't close in price.

The 4x2 and 4x4 Trooper is comparable since they platform share and the 4x2 version lacks a transfer case, front drivetrain and 4wd module.

The current Trooper is comparable to Troopers from the mid-90s and later since a platform change hasn't been made. The major changes have only been made in the powertrain and drivetrain department and they include: the 3.5L 230hp V6 in 98 (or 97), the use of the Borg-Warner Torque-On-Demand (TOD) 4wd system with full-time capability and the remarkable 3.0L common-rail diesel. Some Troopers may have began to use a version of the Dana 44 in the late-late 90s. There have also been suspension damping revisions.

On the otherhand, the Phil spec Trooper lost its 4x4 drivetrain and never received the excellent TOD system. Compared to a 98 Trooper with the 3.2L DOHC V6 with 205hp, 4x4, 4-wheel disks and ABS-- the current 4x2 Trooper isn't any better and its only saving grace is its excellent diesel engine. What department is the 98 Trooper inferior to the current 4x2 Trooper except mostly in aesthetics? Sure you may find some but mechanically they are very similar. Same platform, wheelbase, suspension design, axle ratio and braking system.

If you're going to argue based on aesthetics then sure-- the current Trooper is better dressed than its older siblings.

No flames... Just the facts...

[johnqpublic318]

Of course the 99 4x4 Trooper with the dohc 3.0 CDI is the best since you get the excellent diesel engine without loss of 4wd...

[CZintrclr]

Redhorse, wala na nga daw eh. mga 10 units lang daw ang dumating sa subic. less than 2 weeks sold out daw agad lahat.

[OTEP]

Actually, the TOD system came out locally just before the idiotic taxes on 4x4's came to light. I test drove ser otomatic's and Boy2's TOD equipped Trooper in their hacienda after we came down from Hi-Peak. Sarap i-drive! hehehe.

[garyq]

Kakatawa nga ang isuzu. Yung body ng 92 (UBS 69) up is basically the same as yung sa bago ngayon. Syempre mas maganda yung bago coz iba na yung front part. Bwisit din yung tax na yan coz nawala yung 4x4 function nya. Sana at 1.5M fully loaded talaga. Bilis talaga nung 4JX1. Had the chance to play a little game sa SLEX with my Honda Civic na naka d15B (130hp) and humahabol siya talaga. Yung 4jG2 ko nga masaya nako so I guess the 4Jx1 is really something. Sana lang talaga fully loaded na sa price that they are selling it here. Gusto ko yung mga 99 na 4x4 na may bumper mounted na tail lights and Euro yung mga park lights. Ganda nun especially the black.

[johnqpublic318]

Originally posted by garyq
Kakatawa nga ang isuzu. Yung body ng 92 (UBS 69) up is basically the same as yung sa bago ngayon. Syempre mas maganda yung bago coz iba na yung front part. Bwisit din yung tax na yan coz nawala yung 4x4 function nya. Sana at 1.5M fully loaded talaga.

True... And this is what I've been saying... The Trooper platform hasn't really changed much in 10 years...

However, I compared the current Trooper to a mid-90's model because this was the point when 4-wheel disks became standard and the rear suspension moved from leafs to multi-link coils.

The Trooper is a tough and reliable 4x4 that is popular in countries like Israel and has proven itself in harsh conditions-- including the Australian Outback.

We have a 97 equipped with the sohc V6... It has seen a lot of the Sierra Madres and was reliable in the Cordilleras.

Yes, P1.3-1.5M would be the reasonable price for a V6 or common-rail diesel equipped 4x4 variant...

Removing its 4x4 system just castrates it.

[PapaBravo]

Is there a big difference between SOHC and DOHC? Yung sa akin 98 3.2 v6 SOHC. If DOHC is an improvement over SOHC, what has changed then?