STA FE (Gen 3)

[snoid_zero]

Hi sirs, would like to ask if HARI honors the original warranties of the KDM version SFs? We are planning to buy a SF soon and importers like Hancars and Pitstop are offering more for the money than the PHDM version HARI sells, but we are residing in Cebu and i am thinking maybe casa support is limited for KDM units here compared to PHDM units.

Sir, I asked Hancars regarding PMS for Cebu buyers sometime ago.
Here's what they have to say. Pitstop may have a different story but you have to ask.

[Ry_Tower]

Sir, I asked Hancars regarding PMS for Cebu buyers sometime ago.
Here's what they have to say. Pitstop may have a different story but you have to ask.

Okay HANCARS ah. Aprub! :2thumbsup:

[T|tan]

Ganyan din dati yung view ko when comparing. I was only thinking diesel SUVs dahil cheaper fuel.

But think about this.

Santa Fe, you pay 2.35M, you get a good car, nice gadgets, and low fuel costs (diesel and low FC). A bit more expensive for PMS.
Mazda CX9, you pay P1.8M for FWD or P2.1M for 4x4 with all bells and whistles, much more space, full 7-seater for adults, at ibang level na, pero gas and higher FC. PMS cost is a bit lower.

Question is, with the price you save on buying (around P500k to P250k), ilang taon mo na yung pang-sustain ng fuel cost difference. Compute mo lang how much in reality you will spend for fuel based on your usage and length of ownership. Pajero gas is also ok, pero mas mahal na sya relatively.

Just another view to consider.

You know we also considered the Mazda CX-9 which has 3.7L gas engine, looks good but it was aging in design.. We also considered the new Ford Explorer. Checking it's fuel consumption it eats a lot specially with our metro traffic. It will not give me a smile like if I were in a SF3. I have driven it, great power. Torque wise, it will be hands down SF3. I didn't see the all bells and whistles for the price that commands luxury. The more commanding-luxury statement in the CX9 I saw was the center console running really fat. In terms of room, I think the CX9 isn't that bigger significantly, I am a 6ft tall, it seems the same as the SF3, I guess probably the roomy part is the 3rd row which in SF3 the 3rd row are just jump seats which people 5'9 and under would fit fine. I use to stereotype the Korean cars, because before they were really crappy looking and also not reliable. Presently, I have to admit they have transformed to be the best looking, better design, new clean/fast/strong diesel engine (I call it a Monster), new technology, very good to high quality interior and materials. On our end, we did pay a significant price but found value and literally we have a whole lot of bells and whistles in comparison to the rest in it's segment. Does it give a commanding stance and hustle on the Road: YES!

For the car enthusiast, it might be difficult to say that we have saved more with a car being compared with a lot of features to offer. Consider this, sometimes we would even think that since we spent less and get a few extra saving that we later on course to spending on some upgrades; subliminally to match a car that we really wanted prior to the choice. Ending, we spend a lot more on the upgrades. There are things and stuff that are best to come in standard (OEM) and for other bits you really cannot get after sale/market. So I guess, at 2.3M it is all worth it, you get everything in the list of options.

It was a tough call when we finally bought the SF3 as there was a stint of Korean-let-down running through my system, but that was abolished by the SF3 experience. I don't know with you guys, but the deal here is max satisfaction and with the SF3 it gave us a big-bright smile. I also considered was there anything else it lacked or needed more in comparison? - No.

Then I asked myself if we were satisfied? - Very Satisfied!

Are you sisiful? - No Sisi (Any regrets? - no regrets) ROTFL

[oryx1001]

Ayaw mo yung features? Dito nga wala yan sa 4x2 version.

hindi naman sa ayaw sir kaya lang parang mas mganda un may autolock db,anyway ok na rin skin i2 sarap hatawin hehehe.d2 ko lang mararanasan ang malaki ang makina kc mura gasolina at prize ng car d2 hehehehe.tnx sa reply bro.

[practical1]

Access to the third row seems to be the only negative comment on the Sta. Fe. Is it a deal breaker? On our Innova, we only use the 3rd row maybe less than 10 times a year, mostly when we have guests to shuttle around. Is the 2nd row of the Sta Fe generous? So far the CRV seems to have the most gererous 2nd row for this class.

Why is it that whenever a new model is introduced, the price goes up significantly whereas in the US, even with a new model, the price hardly goes up?

[simply_louie]

Thanks, EQAddict. The 3rd row in SF is an option that is not a deal breaker as I will mostly be using it. I am just torn between getting the 4WD with the 2.2 engine against the 2WD 2.0 engine in the grey market. HARI has 2.2 engines in the 2WD segment, yet does not have the bells and whistles I saw in the KDM variant. Yun nga lang, limited ako sa 2.0. Since I will be doing city driving mostly, I may not need the 4WD. That's why I need to know from our friends who have the SF if the power/torque difference between the 2.0 and 2.2 engines is really significant. T|tan seems very happy with his SF3, because its 2.2.

[bjreyesmd]

Yes, the 2nd row of the SF3 is generous. It also has slide function, forward or backward for added legroom.

Agree with Titan, in fact pareho kami. Went to Ford Balintawak and Mazda Greenhills dealerships to check out the Explorer and CX9. Eventually settled for the SF3. No regrets there!

*EQaddict, if you price the TOTL version closer to the mid version, naturally mas marami bibili ng TOTL, otherwise mas value mga mid versions. I think this is the same for all brands. Mas marami GLS-V kesa GTV, Foruner G kesa V, CRV 2WD kesa 4WD, etc.

[T|tan]

EQ, I'd agree with you on the third row of SF3 it is a pain just getting in and out, but good to have. Jump seats are really not meant for long drives, 5'9 will fit fine. I replied to the thread in reference of the price range (not market segment, although I made use of the word segment) and the value the vehicle offers in my opinion.

Again the forum is a good feed of information and opinions. I respect other opinions and also wanted to share mine. The end result would be the owner's choice and to their satisfaction.

simply_louie, I suggest to check each of your options out carefully, if you have the chance to test drive go ahead, see and feel the differences between vehicles. If you are looking for more seats/room get a van.

[bjreyesmd]

Also, you will be surprised na dumadami na 4WD SF3 sa road. Initially, akala ko ako lang nauto na kumuha ng PHDM 4WD, but lately dumadami na ako nakikita sa road, hehe. Again, in my case, I have no regrets getting the AWD version. But the 2WD SF3 is really value for money, IMHO. Its just that value for money is only one of my criteria then, meron pa that made me choose the AWD eventually. But thats just me!

[bjreyesmd]

simple louie, if you have the chance, ask pitstop to let you test drive the 2.0 and 2.2 versions, then you decide if there is a difference.

[T|tan]

simple louie, I bet you will smile after the test drive.

[T|tan]

Doc BJ, do you open your roof shade? I am not sure if it is just me, but I feel that there is something with the glass roof. It seems to be good at rejecting heat, better than my forester's sunroof with vkool. Our SF3 has 3m tint on the panoramic roof does yours have it too? Does it feel hot when you drive with the shade open?

[jetrc]

Thanks for the info sirs :D Seems we will have to settle with the PHDM 4x2 unit...planning to get one in the summer, but we are still considering the TBZ 4x4 for that price range. But definitely the SF has more "WOW" factor...

[bjreyesmd]

Doc BJ, do you open your roof shade? I am not sure if it is just me, but I feel that there is something with the glass roof. It seems to be good at rejecting heat, better than my forester's sunroof with vkool. Our SF3 has 3m tint on the panoramic roof does yours have it too? Does it feel hot when you drive with the shade open?

Yup, ganun din observation ko, di mainit even with the roof shade open. Naka-open palagi yun pag sakay ang anak ko, hehe. I dont know kung naka 3M tint, haven't checked actually, but it does block the sun's rays. Yung window tint ko sure na 3M but di ko alam yung sunroof.

[imperialv]

*simplylouies.. or get the 4x2 SF pHDM.. Tama sabi ni EQaddict. Mas value for money... :D

[oryx1001]

hello,
mga sir san po pwede makabili ng step board ng santa fe 2013 style ng 2012 model un dodle concave sya.

[chongklc]

?..But for the info of simplylouie the SanteFe is not in the same class as the CX9 and the Explorer. Its in the same class and competes very well against the RAV4 and the CRV (and none of these Japanese cars are above P2M even at their TOTL versions) etc. It is also cross shopped against the Fortuner and Montero (again none of them are even remotely near P2M+). But the CX9 and Explorer are TRUE 7 seat mid size cross overs. When the LWB version is released here, it will be the competitor. Not the SWB version.

Edit: I find that the 4x2 Santa fe is a much much better value than its higher priced awd version.

Not a Santa Fe owner, but a really big fan...AFAIK though, the Santa does not directly compete with the RAV4s and the CRVs, those belong to the compact SUV segment, same with the Escape, the Kia Sportage and the CX5. Hyundai's SUV entry to this segment is the Tucson.

Santa Fe, which is classified as a mid-size SUV, competes directly with the Fortuner, Montero Sport, CX7, Sorento, Explorer and to a certain extent, the Prado ( although price wise, medyo malayo na yung Prado).

CX9, Expedition, Veracruz, Land Cruiser and the Pajero belong to the Full-Size SUV segment. Although in other markets, some of them (Pajero, CX9 and Veracruz specifically) are still considered part od the mid-size segment. Navigators and Escalades also belong to this segment.

Just my two cents

[T|tan]

Chongklc, your opinion does make sense. Hyundai Tucson is a CUV within the competition size-wise to the likes of the Rav4, CRV, Forester, Escape, Sportage, Xtrail, CX5, etc.. How does the Fortuner and Montero being classified as within the Philippine market? Frame type, them being ladder? I am a bit confused when we say class level, it may come to mean also like level of stature. Then again to me in reference to class or market segment is depending on the size of the vehicle, but may also be relevant to pricing.

[chongklc]

Actually, in terms of cars / SUVs / trucks, when you say class level, I think it really just means weight and/or size, meaning a sub-compact is smaller and lighter than a compact, while a mid-size is bigger and heavier than a compact but smaller and lighter compared to a full-size

If you want to put price level / level of stature into the picture, I think there are classifications now that show the following:

Compact SUV: Hyundai Tucson, Honda CRV, Toyota RAV4, Subara Forrester, Kia Sportage, Ford Escape, Nissan Xtrail, Mazda CX5, Chevrolet Captiva
Premium Compact SUV: Audi Q5, BMW X3, Volvo X60, Mercedes Benz GLK Class, Land Rover/Range Rover Evoque

Mid-Size SUV: Hyundai Santa Fe, Honda Pilot, Toyota Fortuner, Montero Sport, Kia Sorento, Ford Explorer, Mazda CX7 / CX9, Chevrolet Trailblazer
Premium Mid-Size SUV: Lexus RX, Mercedes Benz M Class, BMW X5, Volvo XC90

Full-Size SUV: Ford Expedition, Toyota Seqouia, Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban
Premium Full-Size SUV: Lincoln Navigator, Cadillac Escalade, Audi Q7, Mercedes Benz GL, Lexus RX570

There are many more examples of the above, but these are mostly American and European cars that are not so common here in the Philippines. Basically, if your car is a BMW, Audi, Mercedez Benz, Lexus, Volvo, then your car is considered Premium

Most car manufacturers really try to have 1 car per segment, so for Hyundai, Kia, Toyota and Honda for example, they have the following:

Mini-Car - Eon / Picanto / Yaris / Jazz
Sub-Compact - Accent / Rio / Vios / City
Compact - Elantra / Forte / Altis / Civic
Mid-Size - Sonata / Optima / Camry / Accord
Full-Size - Equus / Cadenza / Crown / Legend
Compact SUV - Tucson / Sportage / Rav4 / CRV
Mid-Size SUV - Santa Fe / Sorento / Fortuner / Pilot
Full Size SUV - Veracruz (discontinued) / Mohave (not available here) / Land Cruiser Prado / ???

Hope the above helps

[simply_louie]

Don't get me wrong. I would buy one if I could afford one.

It seems simplylouie's dilemma is choosing between the 2.0 and 2.2 KDM versions. I think he is worried about the power difference. Well if you got the 2.0 engine you can always easily chip it up and more than make up the difference in power and torque. Its super easy and painless to chip up a diesel crdi .

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EQAddict is correct. Pitstop is offering me the 2.0 engine at P2.1 M, and the 2.2 4WD at P2.3M. The difference of P200k is quite substantial. Yet, the PHDM variants have 2.2 engines at P1.768M, or roughly P350k difference with the KDM. I was just wondering if the importer had to scrimp on the engine but compensate for the amenities not found in PHDM variants. In short, HARI no longer carries the 2.0 engine variant. That being the case, would the premium features in KDMs really cost that diff of P350k from PHDMs?