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    ^ Yung nagsulat po nung article ay forumer din po dito. :-)

    Had the chance to sit on an Eon when I checked something sa isang Hyundai dealership, I was amazed that it wasn't as cramped and small as expected. Would probably feel small when 4 people are added inside pa. But for an everyday car, it should be good.
    Last edited by renzo_d10; May 17th, 2012 at 03:00 PM.

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    Thanks for the input renzo-d10... And I also know that its written by Niky... :-)

    How about the engine performance...?

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    I'm curious if the EON can handle Manila to Baguio road trip? Will its 3 cylinder petrol engine be a big concern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neezy03 View Post
    I'm curious if the EON can handle Manila to Baguio road trip? Will its 3 cylinder petrol engine be a big concern?
    aluminum radiator ata eon

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    Long gone are the days that anything smaller than 1.5 would overheat and die on the way up to Baguio. Transmissions have more gears, cooling systems are better and engines are better.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Comparing the alto and the eon, the alto has 12 valves compared to the eon's 9. What difference would this make?

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    Better breathing. More power for the displacement.

    The number of valves indicates how much air can flow through the head. Older cars had two valves per cylinder... one in, one out... so put two circles inside a big one, and it's obvious the total size of those small circles will be very limited.

    From there, we went to three-valve and four-valve heads. Four small circles inside one big one will have a bigger total area than two or three. Theoretically, the best is five. Toyota briefly dallied with five valve heads (The famous Toyota "20V" 4-AGE...) which gave terrific flow and power, but five-valves have very little real-world benefit over four.

    Four-valves have power benefits over three-valves, but not necessarily economy benefits... one of the best engines of the past decade, the Honda 1.3 iDSi... which was capable of 23+ km/l and up to 30 on long stints... had a three-valve head. The space where the fourth valve should have been was taken up by the second spark plug. The new generation 1.3 is not as economical... they sacrificed the old system and installed a four-valve head and VTEC, which gave them a class-leading 100 hp out of a 1.3... but meant that they gave up the edge in economy.

    So... it's all about power. But note that the Eon's 55 bhp is very good for the engine size. And also note that despite being bigger and with a four-valve head, the Suzuki K10 is still known as an outstandingly economical engine. In the end... the on-paper specs don't matter as much as the actual performance and economy. ;)

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    Better breathing. More power for the displacement.

    The number of valves indicates how much air can flow through the head. Older cars had two valves per cylinder... one in, one out... so put two circles inside a big one, and it's obvious the total size of those small circles will be very limited.

    From there, we went to three-valve and four-valve heads. Four small circles inside one big one will have a bigger total area than two or three. Theoretically, the best is five. Toyota briefly dallied with five valve heads (The famous Toyota "20V" 4-AGE...) which gave terrific flow and power, but five-valves have very little real-world benefit over four.

    Four-valves have power benefits over three-valves, but not necessarily economy benefits... one of the best engines of the past decade, the Honda 1.3 iDSi... which was capable of 23+ km/l and up to 30 on long stints... had a three-valve head. The space where the fourth valve should have been was taken up by the second spark plug. The new generation 1.3 is not as economical... they sacrificed the old system and installed a four-valve head and VTEC, which gave them a class-leading 100 hp out of a 1.3... but meant that they gave up the edge in economy.

    So... it's all about power. But note that the Eon's 55 bhp is very good for the engine size. And also note that despite being bigger and with a four-valve head, the Suzuki K10 is still known as an outstandingly economical engine. In the end... the on-paper specs don't matter as much as the actual performance and economy. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    one of the best engines of the past decade, the Honda 1.3 iDSi... which was capable of 23+ km/l and up to 30 on long stints... had a three-valve head. The space where the fourth valve should have been was taken up by the second spark plug. The new generation 1.3 is not as economical... they sacrificed the old system and installed a four-valve head and VTEC, which gave them a class-leading 100 hp out of a 1.3... but meant that they gave up the edge in economy.
    2 valves per cylinder yata sir yung iDSI motors ng Honda. They are truly geared for fuel economy. The fewer moving parts and softer valve springs (since these engines weren't meant to rev high) result in less friction, and the small ports generate swirl even at low revs. I'm sure the cam profile and the narrow valve angle design also helped, together with the rest of the package (long intake runners, exhaust, ecu tuning, hvac, EPS, available cvt, etc.). I personally think that it's absolutely great for Metro Manila driving.

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    Damn internet connection.. lagged!

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    Quote Originally Posted by neezy03 View Post
    I'm curious if the EON can handle Manila to Baguio road trip? Will its 3 cylinder petrol engine be a big concern?
    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
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    Estimate lang. Given it's a 32 liter tank, times 20 km/l, 640... times 26 km/l... 832 kms. Don't know if it can hit the magic 30 km/l. If it could, it could maybe do 1000 kms on one tank. Asking Hyundai if they'd like to try Sorsogon to Pagudpud...
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    I like to see a result of this from any auto-journalist.., kung papayag si HARI.

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    ang cute pala ng Eon pag mushroom color (like it). Kung ang Toyota may Avanza (shrunked Innova), ang tingin ko sa Eon shrunked/baby Elantra (& i10, baby Tucson).
    Ok din kaya pang long trips to (Manila to the province) or too small,best for daily trips sa metro lang..

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    i kind of liked this too!!! mushroom would also be my color, incase! =))

    just having second thoughts on its accelerating power, e.g. inclined roads. has someone test driven this thru podium parking at least? were it able to climb (on 1st gear) easily with a/c on?

    TIA

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    That's right... 2 valves per cylinder pala.

    Parking, no problem. First gear is very, very short. Only problem is if you stop, it's hard to juggle the clutch and gas... you'll have to rev it high to get it going again.

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    usual mall/condo parkings are 3-4levels over-head... what I'm trying to ask kung kaya ba sumampa ni Eon sa mga parking ramps? usually on malls, you'd get your ticket about <3 meters before the ramp, enough bwelo na kaya yun? =)

    pardon but i don't get what it means by saying 1st gear being very, very short? during inclined approach, say, 5-7km/h slow circular ascent (parang sa megamall o moa ata), how much rpm would it get kaya? yung tipong ma-feel mo na gigil na engine at deem na hindi kaya ng power?

    ito lang naman concern ko kay Eon having 800cc engine... di baleng hirap basta kaya... mahirap kung masabing hindi niya kaya yung ganun klaseng mga paahon na daan... what you think guys? again, TIA

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    ^ Tingin ko kaya naman since I have seen several Alto's parked sa covered parking ng mga malls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renzo_d10 View Post
    ^ Tingin ko kaya naman since I have seen several Alto's parked sa covered parking ng mga malls.
    this is good to know... thanks!

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    The Eon does 6000 rpm at 35 km/h.

    Your typical 1.6 liter car does 6000 rpm at 50 km/h.

    Usually, 1.3 to 1.6 liter cars need to do 2500-3000 rpm when climbing parking ramps... About 20-25 km/h. At such speeds, the Eon is at 4000 rpm, where it is making peak torque.

    You can't climb a steep ramp at 5 km/h unless you're driving a car with a REALLY big engine with REALLY short gears... Even for a diesel, 5 km/h is typically just 500 rpm...

    Like I said... Only problem on ramps is you need to rev it hard when you let off the clutch or it will bog. Power per se is not a problem. I drove it up a steep hill behind a smoking tricycle in first gear at just 15 km/h and had no problems at all.

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    again, very well said, sir!. thanks a lot for sharing the knowlegde

    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    The Eon does 6000 rpm at 35 km/h.

    Your typical 1.6 liter car does 6000 rpm at 50 km/h.

    Usually, 1.3 to 1.6 liter cars need to do 2500-3000 rpm when climbing parking ramps... About 20-25 km/h. At such speeds, the Eon is at 4000 rpm, where it is making peak torque.

    You can't climb a steep ramp at 5 km/h unless you're driving a car with a REALLY big engine with REALLY short gears... Even for a diesel, 5 km/h is typically just 500 rpm...

    Like I said... Only problem on ramps is you need to rev it hard when you let off the clutch or it will bog. Power per se is not a problem. I drove it up a steep hill behind a smoking tricycle in first gear at just 15 km/h and had no problems at all.

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    What are the advantages and disadvantages of an aluminum radiator? My daughter is interested in getting the eon.

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