HONDA SiR & MITSU galant VR4 & VR6,which is much better in performance?

[edzzz]

sorry Alwayz_yummy hehehehe. Ako din 26y/o lang and i drive a galant. Nasabi ko lang yun kasi si Mom ko ang nag decide eh, pati si Dad ko yun ang gusto. Pero kaming bros and sis eh sa SIR kami. The day i got the hand, and foot on the galant, you feel the HP with the slight press of the pedal, also very stable in high speeds.
Taka ko lang, both SIR and Galant with their high HP, doesnt have air bags. Sguro to cut prices na rin

[alwayz_yummy]

pinas talaga ganyan....

ako din dad ko pumili ng maxima, and frankly ok naman,sulit na sulit!

[niky]

Yup, sayang nga na walang airbags.

In the Galant's case, understandable, ang taas na ng prices ng mga midsize cars (due to taxes), so they had to cut corners where they could.

For the SiR, well, Honda had to cut corners to bring the price down, as the B16 engine is relatively expensive. If the SiR was equipped like similar top-of-the-line compacts of its time, it would've cost nearly 1m... a price that people at the time (when top-of-the-line cars cost only 750-800k) would probably not pay for a car of that size.

Heck, even the VTi lacked amenities, and it was priced in the high range.

[mikmik316]

Pwede po ba gumamit na tayo ng tamang terms para sa Philippine market????

Galant 2.0 Super Saloon - Eto yata yung sinasabi nyo na Inline 4 na Galant aka VR4

Galant 2.5 VR - Eto yata yung sinasabi nyo na V6 Engine Galant...

So pwede po bang Galant SS o Galant VR na lang tawag natin? Nde naman yata dumating yang true VR4 na Galant dito sa Pinas e...

Para sa akin... Galant VR pa rin yung BMW 5-series look alike... Nanalo ng Car of the Year kaya panalo to!

[alwayz_yummy]

eto magkalinawan na....

ang VR4 na galant ay awd, up to 6th gen lang ang IN-LINE-4 4G63T AT HANGANG DUN LANG!


7th gen, 8th gen Galant VR4 are equipped with this:



and only that!

so kung LOCAL NA 7th-8th gen vr4---ITS A BIG FAKE! VERY BIG! HYPE LANG NG MGA SELLERS... AT WALANG VR6 ANG MITSU.... VR6 IS THE TRADEMARK FOR VOLKSWAGEN PERFORMANCE V6 ENGINES....

Pwede po ba gumamit na tayo ng tamang terms para sa Philippine market????

Galant 2.0 Super Saloon - Eto yata yung sinasabi nyo na Inline 4 na Galant aka VR4

Galant 2.5 VR - Eto yata yung sinasabi nyo na V6 Engine Galant...

So pwede po bang Galant SS o Galant VR na lang tawag natin? Nde naman yata dumating yang true VR4 na Galant dito sa Pinas e...

Para sa akin... Galant VR pa rin yung BMW 5-series look alike... Nanalo ng Car of the Year kaya panalo to!

quoted ko na po siya kanina, lilinawin ko ung ONLY SA PHILIPINE MARKET:

GALANT VARIANTS:

GTI-6th gen top of the line 4g63 dohc!manual only

SS-super saloon 6th-8th gen (240M ang 9th gen), SOHC I-4 4g63, manual/matic, 91 below carb engine

VR- for the 7th gen:2 variants(see my quote and post above for reference..dapat siguro quote ito every page for reference and learning)
w/ I-4(sohc 4g63), manual/matic...THIS IS NOT THE VR4 WE ENTHUSIASTs KNOW.

W/ DOHC 24v 6a12 2.0L, manual/matic...THIS IS NOT THE VR6 ENGINE WE ENTHUSIASTs KNOW!

sa 8th gen ang VR ay 2.5L 24v 6a13...alam ko matic lang lahat...for a limited run din!

nagkaroon din ng GTA trim: 8TH GEN SUPERSALOON GALANT w/ 4-speed tiptronic!

9th gen 240M lang trim.....

kaya ako lang, personally, panis yang stock SIR na yan sa stock 7th-8th gen authentic galant VR-4!

[ssaloon]

niky, actually, limited to 180kph top speed mga JDM VR4 galants because of the ECU. but you can always have it reprogammed to remove the electronic speed governor

[niky]

Haha... so talo pala ng mga 1.5 yung VR4? I can see it now... a 250+ hp VR4 flying down the NLEX, overtaking a Vios going 120 km/h, and a few minutes later, as he's pinging the limiter, the Vios walks by him...

Was the old Skyline limiter also 180, or was that 200? Insane to have a limiter set that low on such a powerful car! I remember the 180 km/h limiter on my SR20 before... bad trip... spent all that money on a swap, only to be defeated by the speed governor... ahhh... those were the (irresponsible) days.

[alwayz_yummy]

un ang prob talaga sa galants...speed limiters..kahit naman M5, alam ko 255kph ang limiter..

baka naman po 180mph ang limiter ng 7th-8th G....dependent ata ang limiter sa speedo, kung kph, 180 kph limiter, pero kung mph, baka 180mph....

[niky]

Maraming Japanese cars na may 180 km/h limiter.

Yung Germans yung may 150 mph limiter.

That's what's nice about the SiR and RS... no speed limiters... you can modify an RS to go fast enough to blow the engine (revving at 6600++ rpm at 220-235 km/h)... oops... what were we saying about 4-cylinder reliability at high speeds?

[nugundam93]

even the R34 GT-R, in stock form, was speed limited to 180kph.

[alwayz_yummy]

kung 2.0 ok pa, and you'll be consuming lesser fuel than an 1.6, kasi di mo masyado tinotodo ung gas, sisibat na (experience ko sa maxima ko), i barely step on the gas just to maintain a 80-100kph run on NLEX.

2 cars have their own purpose...pero, honda doesent have an entry in WRC/dakar, so as mitsu: no F1 and the like...

kaya hirap icompare....pero di ako matitinag dito parin ako:

[ssaloon]

but the beauty with DSM ECUs (and other ECUs for that matter) is the programming capabalities they have. magburn ka lang ng new program, tanggal na agad yung speed and engine limiters!

alwayz_yummy,
2 na sa tropa namin yung nagswap ng 6A13TT sa 8G nila. isa matic FWD, yung isa manual and AWD :evillaugh

[alwayz_yummy]

but the beauty with DSM ECUs (and other ECUs for that matter) is the programming capabalities they have. magburn ka lang ng new program, tanggal na agad yung speed and engine limiters!

alwayz_yummy,
2 na sa tropa namin yung nagswap ng 6A13TT sa 8G nila. isa matic FWD, yung isa manual and AWD :evillaugh

yan maganda ng ECU..programable,e, at easy to check kung may sira... kaya hoping na may scanner akong mapuntahan

6a13TT maticpero FWD, sisbak na ng SIR yan panigurado!

hehe may manual palang 6a13TT-AWD! kahit siguro b16b/b18c yan iwan yan

anu yung manual tranny na awd, hinanapan lang ng match or manual tranny talaga kasama?

[ssaloon]

manual tranny talaga yung kasama pare.

[alwayz_yummy]

so ung 8g nya kinorvert sa manual....saya! buti nakakuha siya ng lever at clutch pedal assy....teka 5 or 6 speed?

[inchcockie]

if we're talking LOCAL cars only:

Galant (4 or 6 cylinder):

pros - roomy, nice suspension, nice interior, midsize sedan, relatively cheaper to buy 2nd hand, bigger displacement engine, comfortable ride, A/T available

cons - gas guzzler (for a local car), expensive parts, scarce aftermarket parts, poor resale value

SiR:

pros - great engine, abundant and cheap parts, great aftermarket support, very good resale value, good driving feel, good gas mileage

cons - weak stock brakes, uncomfortable ride (too rigid and sporty), expensive for a 2nd hand car, no A/T available

*IMO if you're into racing you probably wouldn't want these 2 cars anyway so i'm guessing it's to be your daily driver. take your pick. my 2 cents:

1.if you're single and don't plan on having too many passengers along for your trips, definitely get an SiR. added bonus would be cheaper parts and better fuel mileage.

2. if you're a family man and/or you often take people along with you on trips, definitely get the larger, roomier and more comfortable galant. the added fuel expense and maintenance costs would be worth it.

[ssaloon]

so ung 8g nya kinorvert sa manual....saya! buti nakakuha siya ng lever at clutch pedal assy....teka 5 or 6 speed?

5 speed manual tranny, galing din sa front cut. para sa parts, nagparating pa siya galing japan through el dorado.

eto yung manual:


eto yung matic invecs2:

[alwayz_yummy]

if we're talking LOCAL cars only:

Galant (4 or 6 cylinder):

cons - gas guzzler (for a local car), expensive parts, scarce aftermarket parts, poor resale value

yah gas guzler talaga siya when comparing it sa 1.3L or 1.6L compacts....try comparin it to ES civic 2.0, a lynx rs, a MZ3-2.0R or a 4g63/b18c swapped lancer/civic...di sila nagkakalayo-->root of error of consumption comparison!

expensive parts yah, kahit naman corona or accord or cefiro man yan! as the rule supply and demand, anu ba marami lumalabas sa casa: compacts! anu ang cheaper to buy 1st hand: compact --> again another root cause of error in comparison!

poor reasle value, bakit ang corona ba, cefiro, accord kasing mahal din ba ng compacts na kasing year nila??? remember big engine, big appetite, sa mahal ng gas ngayon, siyempre, bagsak presyo mga yan pag gamit na obvious reason: makonsumo sa gas!

and you forgot, much stable ang mid sedans kaysa sa kahit anong compact especially at high speeds.....stock ha!

if we're talking LOCAL cars only:

SiR:

pros - great engine, abundant and cheap parts, great aftermarket support, very good resale value, good driving feel, good gas mileage

cons - weak stock brakes, uncomfortable ride (too rigid and sporty), expensive for a 2nd hand car, no A/T available

SIR: good gas milage? almost kakonsumo nyan is 1800cc or 2.0! kasi your flooring it to have power, otherwise, masmatakaw siya sa typical 1.6L

cheap abundant parts: well, isipin mo why:alin ba madami compact or mid size???

great aftermarket support: hehe, even fiberglass make fake chins..daming ricers!

very good resale value...well, pinoy mentalidad na yan....honda mahal, prestigous daw... ok, SIR limited production, pero to the enthusiast, bibili nya kahit mahal, practical persons, 90% hindi....

good engine, but definately not a great engine!good driving feel--> well subjective, 1 thing for sure feeling gwapo ka pag SIR dala mo..aminin

cons:tama ka, matagtag talaga yan, kasi firmer ang shocks! mahina talaga preno nyan...

may kaklase ako, naka rayban galant siya, nasisisi daw siya at pinalitan pa nya ng SIR! nakiuso kasi,e...


QUOTE=inchcockie;666982]if we're talking LOCAL cars only:

*IMO if you're into racing you probably wouldn't want these 2 cars anyway so i'm guessing it's to be your daily driver. take your pick. my 2 cents:

[/QUOTE]

racing, kung drag na karaniwang ginagawa malapit dito sa amin: sa mindanao ave.. SIR ka...daily ride kahit alin na suit sa panlasa mo...


QUOTE=inchcockie;666982]if we're talking LOCAL cars only:

1.if you're single and don't plan on having too many passengers along for your trips, definitely get an SiR. added bonus would be cheaper parts and better fuel mileage.

2. if you're a family man and/or you often take people along with you on trips, definitely get the larger, roomier and more comfortable galant. the added fuel expense and maintenance costs would be worth it.

[/QUOTE]

as stated above, explaind ko na why cheaper at madaming parts ang SIR over the galant!

i am a family man, pero ayaw na ayaw ko na magmumukhang driver ako, it doesent mean na ayaw ko sa SIR, over hyped lang ang SIR kasi siya lang nag boast ng 160ps, na di naabot ng mga 2.0L japs in its time..pero only on paper! and HP sells more than torque..for everyday use torque is of more value than HP!kaya sikat SIR, pero ang di alam ng karamihan, ung sasakyan on the road..pag sa paper ka lang nag compare, parang naglaro ka ng "trump-cards" lang...

hay..matanda na nga siguro ako at mid-size ako mas favor....

sorry,ha, linaw ko lang din lang.. peace bro!

[alwayz_yummy]

5 speed manual tranny, galing din sa front cut. para sa parts, nagparating pa siya galing japan through el dorado.

eto yung manual:


eto yung matic invecs2:

swerte nya a, nakakuha ng front cut! ung puti parang pala ung gusto kong wagon!

[niky]

RE: SiR consumption... not quite 2.0... but not quite 1.6... same as a 1.8, I guess, if driven conservatively.

But modified? If you've got wild cams, type-R parts, computer tuning and a full exhaust, you can drink gas like an SUV at full throttle.