3 stage vtec pwede ba sa ESI

[hitmanc3]

hi sirs, im just a newbie here, need some advise regarding the change engine, im planning to change my esi stock engine to d15b vtec 3 stage engine but someone told me na hindi raw fit sa esi yung 3 stage engine as it is different from the ordinary d15b vtec engine. really appreciate your inputs. thanks...

[isa1023]

AFAIK, pwede naman po... jdm d15b ang makina ng esi ko. pinagkaiba lang ng 3-stage ay 2 ang solenoid niya, which has nothing to do with engine mounting.

[isa1023]

... someone told me na hindi raw fit sa esi yung 3 stage engine as it is different from the ordinary d15b vtec engine ...

Pinagkaiba lang nila sa panlabas ay yung head cover at extra solenoid ng 3-stage. They have differences mechanically speaking but it doesnt mean hindi na pwede sa esi ang 3-stage. Besides, i already saw one na may ganito.

[jemils_t]

+1 lang po ako sa mga post ng nila.
pwedeng pwede po yung makina khit 3 stage pa yun. kakasya po,alang prob po duon.

[darkbloodlestat]

+1 lang po ako sa mga post ng nila.
pwedeng pwede po yung makina khit 3 stage pa yun. kakasya po,alang prob po duon.

alin po b yung makina n may 3 stage Vtec. yung PH16a (96 civic vtec) anung vtec b nakalagay dun Vtec E?

[isa1023]

alin po b yung makina n may 3 stage Vtec. yung PH16a (96 civic vtec) anung vtec b nakalagay dun Vtec E?

AFAIK, d15b lang po ang may 3-stage vtec.

[Type 100]

If the engine block is the same (PH15 and D15 are essentially the same block), there should be no issue with using other flavors of VTEC. Yes it is different but the difference is only restricted to the cylinder head (i.e. the very top of the engine) because almost every VTEC iteration is just a valvetrain technology. As mentioned it has nothing to do with mounting.

I'm not sure the 3-stage VTEC is restricted to just D15s though. The ES Civics had this stock and I think they used PH16 engine blocks which I think were based off D16s or D17s. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[isa1023]

I'm not sure the 3-stage VTEC is restricted to just D15s though. The ES Civics had this stock and I think they used PH16 engine blocks which I think were based off D16s or D17s. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Hmm I could remember sir volts say something about his ES Civic which has a d17 engine. If it is indeed that vtec3 variant which could well mean a 3-stage vtec implementation, then I guess you must be right on this sir type100.

It could be our local d17 engine on the ES has a 3-stage implementation.
Is this the VTI-s with the VTEC3 sticker in the rear windshield?

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yep no problem sa fitting d15 sa esi. kahit b16 pa ok lang. same mounts lang naman yun. wag lang yung ibang series ng engines like k series and r series.

[Type 100]

Hmm I could remember sir volts say something about his ES Civic which has a d17 engine. If it is indeed that vtec3 variant which could well mean a 3-stage vtec implementation, then I guess you must be right on this sir type100.

It could be our local d17 engine on the ES has a 3-stage implementation.
Is this the VTI-s with the VTEC3 sticker in the rear windshield?

Yeah, this was a big selling point on the advertisements of ES Civics back in 2001 as "VTEC-3". I'm a little foggy on the actual ES mechanicals though.

Internationally, D17 engines were certainly used, but the local units were sold as 1.6s so I'm not 100% sure.

Medyo off-topic na hehe...the long and short of it is, yes the 3-stage VTEC D15B should fit with no problems :D

[voltscastillo]

north american ES civics came with d17s, 1.7L 3 stage vtecs. i think the d16 came with the old EG, and was non-vtec.

i'm not a marketing man, but i think it makes sense to just declare the ES as 1.6 for tax reasons (equals lower sale price) even if its a 1.7L, than to create a new engine block for a specific market in southeast asia. besides, it's a natural progression... nung 90's every car manufacturer still marketed 1.3 and 1.5 engines, but honda already came out with 1.6. when the ES came out, it was 1.7L, and when the FD came out it was 1.8 minimum. other companies still churn out 1.6s.

i'm not 100% sure my ES has a 1.7, though... until i can see the engine block and measure the cylinders with a caliper.

back to topic: i've often wondered if the ES engine would fit into an EK. i doubt if the axles would fit, but to be honest, ang kailangan lang talaga jan oras, research at pera. VW beetles nga nilalagyan na ng b16 ngayon, civics pa kaya?

EG and ES have about the same space in the engine bay, so if you can plop down a d17 in there and the engine mounts line up, well, you're halfway done. remove the old harness and ECU, plug in the new one, and then start.

[randz080]

Sir bago lng ako dito.. Nakabili ako ng makina na d15b 3stage sa banauwe. With complete harness and computer box. Pinalit ko sa ph16 sa esi. Anong rpm para mag 3stage ung makina.. Pls help po.. Tnx

[isa1023]

Nagpalit ka ng computer box sir?

AFAIK, OBDII P08 ang ECU ng D15B 3-stage.

Automatic naka VTEC-E mode (12-valve) yun on idle to low rpm.

Then VTEC-E disengages to use 16-valve mode with no VTEC on mid rpm.

Then you hit the VTEC range around 5000 rpm to activate the 20-camlobe mode, which gives you the VTEC yo kick.

[pating]

I am having my Esi Block work on a 3-Stage D15B head. there are several issues with this project though, still sorting it out. The ECU for the 3-stage engine is a P2J box, of which several sensors which are not present in the non-vtec Esi engine is now present. The stock P27 Esi ecu can run the engine after the swap, no vtec yet. Mechanically it is possible, but with engine management, as i have said, still sorting it out as of the moment.

[ghosthunter]

I am having my Esi Block work on a 3-Stage D15B head. there are several issues with this project though, still sorting it out. The ECU for the 3-stage engine is a P2J box, of which several sensors which are not present in the non-vtec Esi engine is now present. The stock P27 Esi ecu can run the engine after the swap, no vtec yet. Mechanically it is possible, but with engine management, as i have said, still sorting it out as of the moment.

instead of a hybrid engine, why didn't you go for a whole engine swap? It would have been simpler with less issues with electronics and sensors.

[silverworx]

I am having my Esi Block work on a 3-Stage D15B head. there are several issues with this project though, still sorting it out. The ECU for the 3-stage engine is a P2J box, of which several sensors which are not present in the non-vtec Esi engine is now present. The stock P27 Esi ecu can run the engine after the swap, no vtec yet. Mechanically it is possible, but with engine management, as i have said, still sorting it out as of the moment.

sir since OBD 1 naman ang ESI, might want to try rechipped ecu like po8 box.. Then ECU tuning.. Para less problem.. And with that meron kana Vtec, you can choose at what rpm it will engaged, and you can choose your rev limiter..

[pating]

sir since OBD 1 naman ang ESI, might want to try rechipped ecu like po8 box.. Then ECU tuning.. Para less problem.. And with that meron kana Vtec, you can choose at what rpm it will engaged, and you can choose your rev limiter..

It would still be a 2-stage Vtec operating system. What i need for this is a 3-stage Vtec rechipping/tuning package for the box the head came with.

I decided a hybrid setup due to the added displacement over the whole engine swap.

[silverworx]

It would still be a 2-stage Vtec operating system. What i need for this is a 3-stage Vtec rechipping/tuning package for the box the head came with.

I decided a hybrid setup due to the added displacement over the whole engine swap.

Need mo talaga ang p2j, 3 stage vtec din ang engine ko, pero dipa p2j yung box, kailangan mo nang additional sensors niyan, like o2 sensor sa headders..

[HCLXI98_Alucard]

Hello Guys,

Newbie po and need your expert advices. Balak ko po palitan ung engine ng Honda Civic 98 LXI ko due to automatic transmission issue. Mas makakamura daw po kasi kung kasama na pati engine. Since may other issues din po kasi ako sa engine like idling and nauubusan lagi ng tubig, so I have decided to change the engine na din po. Ang question ko po e pwede ba sa kotse ko ung Stage 3 d15 na engine na binabanggit sa forum na to? Gusto ko kasi yung medyo malakas yung makina, VTEC, and fuel efficient which I heard na available sa engine na to.

Need your expertise po.

Thanks in advance!

[isa1023]

Yes sir swak ang D15B 3-stage VTEC sa ESi mo.

Bolt-on, no modifications needed.