Honda Civic and E10/Ethanol gasoline [MERGED]

[snatchmeister]

Ethanol does not increase power. It expands the heat of the petrol creating a bigger explosion. Thus giving your unleaded a higher octane rating. The problem with e10 is that since it expands the heat, the internal temperature of the engine is much higher. This causes knocking issues.

Sir Ejay..i do not mean to sound confronting po so please don't get me wrong..pero as per my earlier post, are the FC savings as well as the financials behind it worth the risk to our cars given the stress E10 creates and therefore knocking issues you confirmed by putting E10 into it?

Yes we could get more milage or usage out of every E10 liter we put into our cars..but long term effects of this to our engine is the main subjective argument here...how prepared are we to accept saving some money initally (as per my ealier calculation of saving up to Php104 a year based on an average of putting Php1,000 a week of fuel) and possibly getting more milage but in turn, experience knocking to our engines and possibly risk long-term damage which in the long run could cost us more money to fix?

When, if we could make an informative choice - pay for and use a higher quality fuel and yes quite admittedly could be a slightly lower milage in the short-term but then have a better assurance that our engine runs cleaner and long-term could cost less fixing it for any engine related problems such as carbon build up or knocking?

We are all taking about our cars here, which we have put our every valuable piso into, regardless of what price we bought it for. We are not talking about being practica because in this discussion, we own cars under our our accord and judgement. Cars that we all admitted to ourselves we can manage and afford accordingly when we purchased it and decided to call an 'investment'. If we wanted to be practica, we would have bought a motor, bicycle or stuck to commuting. So IMO this is not our main issue.

Sorry sir, as I said earlier please do not take this post the wrong way, as honestly I do not know the long-term effect of E10. But I have used both Petron as well as V-Power for the last 18 years I have been driving here and overseas for the cars I've successfully owned. And not one of them ever experienced engine problems due to knocking or fuel related other issues.

Bottomline, for me its not worth the financial risk or inconvenience for our cars when we can have a clear choice of quality over quantity.

[ejaydpogi]

Sir Ejay..i do not mean to sound confronting po so please don't get me wrong..pero as per my earlier post, are the FC savings as well as the financials behind it worth the risk to our cars given the stress E10 creates and therefore knocking issues you confirmed by putting E10 into it?

Yes we could get more milage or usage out of every E10 liter we put into our cars..but long term effects of this to our engine is the main subjective argument here...how prepared are we to accept saving some money initally (as per my ealier calculation of saving up to Php104 a year based on an average of putting Php1,000 a week of fuel) and possibly getting more milage but in turn, experience knocking to our engines and possibly risk long-term damage which in the long run could cost us more money to fix?

When, if we could make an informative choice - pay for and use a higher quality fuel and yes quite admittedly could be a slightly lower milage in the short-term but then have a better assurance that our engine runs cleaner and long-term could cost less fixing it for any engine related problems such as carbon build up or knocking?

We are all taking about our cars here, which we have put our every valuable piso into, regardless of what price we bought it for. We are not talking about being practica because in this discussion, we own cars under our our accord and judgement. Cars that we all admitted to ourselves we can manage and afford accordingly when we purchased it and decided to call an 'investment'. If we wanted to be practica, we would have bought a motor, bicycle or stuck to commuting. So IMO this is not our main issue.

Sorry sir, as I said earlier please do not take this post the wrong way, as honestly I do not know the long-term effect of E10. But I have used both Petron as well as V-Power for the last 18 years I have been driving here and overseas for the cars I've successfully owned. And not one of them ever experienced engine problems due to knocking or fuel related other issues.

Bottomline, for me its not worth the financial risk or inconvenience for our cars when we can have a clear choice of quality over quantity.

none taken sir. i participate in this threads to be more informed and be objective about matters. yes, i understand where your coming from. in fact, my post started as hesitation in filling up with e10 due to uncertain long term effects. but my basis for still using e10 was the fact that the manufacturer claim of the car being e10 compatible.

[tidus1203]

I use E10 on all our gas cars and yes my Civic included. Since that run up in prices last year and even now that prices has gone down substantially I still use E10.

[snatchmeister]

none taken sir. i participate in this threads to be more informed and be objective about matters. yes, i understand where your coming from. in fact, my post started as hesitation in filling up with e10 due to uncertain long term effects. but my basis for still using e10 was the fact that the manufacturer claim of the car being e10 compatible.

Thanks sir! appreciate your reply.

But you know what, that's the other funny thing din you pointed out. When I asked my Sales Rep upon release of my civic last month he said the same thing as the manufacturer claim when I asked what's the best gas to use - use E10 its just fine daw! I was kind of asking which brand Shell or Petron..LOL! I guess hindi ako masyado claro sa tanong ko

I guess it relates back to your point and the Reps only know what they know or expected to know.

Have a good week!

[snatchmeister]

Never used E10 in my 1.8S since I got it exactly a year ago. I've always fed primarily with Blaze. If it's not available, I go with V-Power or Gold (in that order).

* OJ88

Hey bro, would you recommend me jumping up to Blaze since I use V-Power at the moment? I know V-P is not your first choice but do you see a big difference against the Blaze with engine performace/output or slight lang sha. Haven't tried Blaze yet as I've only had my 1.8s exact a month and always V-P and carga ko sa kanya.

[ejaydpogi]

* OJ88

Hey bro, would you recommend me jumping up to Blaze since I use V-Power at the moment? I know V-P is not your first choice but do you see a big difference against the Blaze with engine performace/output or slight lang sha. Haven't tried Blaze yet as I've only had my 1.8s exact a month and always V-P and carga ko sa kanya.

It wouldn't make any difference if you use v-power (95ron) or blaze (96ron) since our civics run on unleaded with 91ron - 95ron. I would even suggest using an unleaded petrol with 93ron. in theory, it will yield the same performance and will be more economical since high octane fuel tends to burn faster. Remember that our engine does rely on the amount of air that it sucks to provide the right amount of fuel. It will not lessen the amount of fuel used when you use a high octane fuel. my two cents worth!

[snatchmeister]

It wouldn't make any difference if you use v-power (95ron) or blaze (96ron) since our civics run on unleaded with 91ron - 95ron. I would even suggest using an unleaded petrol with 93ron. in theory, it will yield the same performance and will be more economical since high octane fuel tends to burn faster. Remember that our engine does rely on the amount of air that it sucks to provide the right amount of fuel. It will not lessen the amount of fuel used when you use a high octane fuel. my two cents worth!

got me there bro! good point thanks!

[redeemed]

Honda users (Philippine), check this out:

Honda Automobiles Compatible with E-10 Gasoline

[mbenz204]

I had compared Shell Unleaded and Caltex E10 for 1 month each on my 2 month old 1.8S. Same results.
Our company cars that averages 50,000 kms per year also uses E10. According to the drivers and the maintenance histories, all are OK.

[pyriel]

Here is the list of automobiles or vehicles compatible with E-10 Gasoline: (source: honda phils)


Honda Jazz
Jazz 1.3L i-DSI 2004 ~ present
Jazz 1.5L VTEC 2005 ~ 2006


Honda City
City 1.3L i-DSI 2003 ~ present
City 1.5L VTEC 2000 ~ present
City 1.5L (Type Z) (Group Fuel Injection, GFI) 1999 ~ 2003


Honda Civic
Civic 1.8L SOHC i-VTEC 2006 ~ present
Civic 2.0L DOHC 2006 ~ present
Civic 2.0L DOHC 2004 ~ 2005
Civic 1.6L SOHC 2001 ~ 2006
Civic 1.5L SOHC 2001 ~ 2004
Civic 1.6L DOHC VTEC 1998 ~ 2001
Civic 1.6L VTEC (Civic SiR Body) 1998 ~ 2001
Civic 1.5L (Civic SiR Body) (Group Fuel Injection, GFI) 1998 ~ 2001


Honda Accord
Accord 3.5L SOHC i-VTEC 2008 ~ present
Accord 2.4L DOHC i-VTEC 2009 ~ present
Accord 3.0L V6 VTEC 2004 ~ 2007
Accord 2.4L DOHC i-VTEC 2004 ~ 2007
Accord 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 2003 ~ 2004
Accord 2.0L VTI-SOHC 1998 ~ 2001
Accord 2.3L VTI-L SOHC 1998 ~ 2001
Accord 2.0L VTI-SOHC 2001 ~ 2002


Honda CR-V
CR-V 2.0L SOHC i-VTEC 2007 ~ present
CR-V 2.4L DOHC i-VTEC 2008 ~ present
CR-V 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC 2005 ~ 2006
CR-V 2.4L DOHC i-VTEC 2005 ~ 2006
CR-V 2.0L DOHC 1997 ~ 2002


Other Honda Vehicles
Odyssey 2.2L SOHC 1997 ~ 1998
Pilot 3.5L V6 2006 ~ 2007
HR-V 1.6L SOHC 2000 ~ 2002
S2000 2.0L 2001
Civic Hybrid 1.3L 2004 ~ 2006
Legend 3.5L 1997 ~ 1998


Here is the list of automobiles or vehicles NOT compatible with E-10 Gasoline:

(source: honda phils)


Honda City
City 1.5L (Group Fuel Injection, GFI) 1998 ~ 1999
City 1.3L (Group Fuel Injection, GFI) 1996 ~ 1999
City 1.3L (Carbureted) 1996 ~ 1999


Honda Civic
Civic 1.6 VTEC 1996 ~ 1998
Civic 1.5L (Group Fuel Injection, GFI) 1996 ~ 1998
Civic 1.5L (Carbureted) 1993 ~ 1995
Civic 1.2L (Carbureted) 1992 ~ 1996
Civic 1.2L (Carbureted) 1991 ~ 1992


Honda Accord
Accord 2.2L 1994 ~ 1997