civic 96-200 VS civic 2001-2005

[Mar Vela]

Hello Honda heads,

Im posting this thread to get you opinions on comparison of two civic generation. This is my observation, feel free to agree (or disagree) welcome for sure are your comments,

engine: Vtec2 vs Vtec3
if we talk about similar SOHC engine, my feeling it is the same output, but then the VTEC3 having a lighter engine, will have a slighter power to weight advantage. Durability I can say is the same.

body platform:
A vtec3 body is definitely lighter than a vtec2 civic. It has a simplier stucture, and overall lighter frame. Having lighter frame, its more economical.

HAndling:
A vtec2 civic has better handling than a VTec3 civic. This is because the the superior front suspension of the older vtec2, employing a double A suspension, compared to a simple single wishbone for the vtec3. A double A is definitely better road grip, stable handling in curbs, and smoother ride. Both have the same trailing link rear suspension.

Ease in maintenance:
A vtec2 is easier to repair and to maintain.
One big reason is that parts of the older vtec2 is more available, in brand new and surplus parts. This is due to the fact that the VTEC3 is not made in Japan. This model of the civic is exported to Japan from USA, Canada, Australia, Thailand and China. They call this civic FERIO in Japan. That is also when you wreck a VTEC3 civic, its so difficult to find replacement parts, such as hood, fender, or engine parts. Though the vtec3 engine is also the engine of the Honda Fit, or jazz locally.

Another thing though, If you are used the slow accelaration of a vtec2...try the vtec3..you'll be thrilled.

any comments?

OC plus racing

[aejhayl17]

double post

[aejhayl17]

imho, the ek civic offers lots and lots more than the 01-05 civic. if im not mistaken, the civic SIR belongs to the vtec2, thus regular ek's can be as fun as the SIR with the proper mods because they are identical in flatform.

i will choose the Ek's. its more of my style and its a simpler toy to play with. imho

[voltscastillo]

the ES is by far the better car in my opinion.

i own both the ES and the old EK. ES has better engine, transmission, highway handling, is quieter inside and feels heavier and more stable at high speed. in short, for comfortable cruising, mas maganda yung ES.

only issue i have with the ES is parang mas matagtag sya on uneven roads kesa sa EK.

[isa1023]

On looks, I go for ES with the eagle eye:








On handling and parts availability, I go for the EK SiR body, which I think has the potential to handle better.

[mda]

Walang 'vtec2'.

Plus ng ES body is that it's newer and probably has less problems than a 10+++ year old car like the EK. This has nothing to do with off-the-production-line durability. It's just that 5 years down, you'll probably need to fix more things than the newer car.

[Djerms]

^mda is right on the spot.

[renzo_d10]

I`d go too for the ES Civic. Powerful naman din ang ES eh, VTi-S comes to mind. ;)

Mahirap makahanap ng fresh na SiR nowadays. Mostly, modded & nadrag na

[tsupermario]

the ES came out with a 2 liter variant, matic nga lang. bilis din nun

[isa1023]

the ES came out with a 2 liter variant, matic nga lang. bilis din nun

k20a dohc ivtec

[Type 100]

The ES Civic was a letdown IMHO. It signified the intention of Honda to make the once-light and compact Civic into a larger, more mature car - you could say the trend continued with the current FD Civic. It's no longer as fun to drive as the EF/EG/EK simply because it's larger and heavier.

I'm not a believer in better engines, I'm more of a believer in better chassis design. EK for me.

[Mar Vela]

Your are right.

The ES platform is the civic 2001 to 2005. Before that is the EF, EK and EK.
BUt please note that the ES form suspension is as simple single wishbone, is is not as good in handling than the SIR's double A suspension, which has exelent handling characteristic.

Honda I believe simplified the front suspension of the ES so as to lower the cost, but on the other hand, the VTEC3 engine is awesome. Comparatively to a same old 1998VTi, the 2002 Vti engine has better power to weight ratio.

Overall, it improved, other than the drawback in the front suspension, its a better car.

Anyhow, I'm a fan of all civic series.

Happy Honda Driver MArvel67

[mda]

^ The change of suspension to mcphersons was implemented probably not only to reduce costs but also to help maximize interior space - double wishbones take up quite some room under the chassis and in the engine bay area.

Aftermarket mods-wise, the old EK body has the upper hand because of the multitude of parts available (I heard the old EG/EF/EKs share similar parts, whereas the ES/FDs have transmissions and engine parts largely incompatible with the older parts used).

The using the SiR isn't really a fair comparison between cars.

It should be VTi vs VTi, LXi vs LXi.

Otherwise, you can always throw in the EP3-R (closest thing to a performance ES aside from the lacklustre 2.0L) or the FD2-R in the mix to literally shake things up.

[kentgil]

k20a dohc ivtec

yup ang bilis nito may picture pa nga nito sa costumer waiting area sa shaw eh ang ganda parang FD rin na 2.0 5 speed AT na pero ang lakas daw nito sa gas hehe

[aejhayl17]

yup ang bilis nito may picture pa nga nito sa costumer waiting area sa shaw eh ang ganda parang FD rin na 2.0 5 speed AT na pero ang lakas daw nito sa gas hehe

because k20 is a 2.0L and tuner engine. di ako sure, pero sa fhm mag ko lang ito nakita. forget the month issue but it was last summer. they were 2 ek's (ata) both are fully loaded.

performance > FC

FC > performance

[kentgil]

haha feeling ko mabilis din at may possibility talunin nito ang old car na SIR its a newer car with a 2.0engine

[aejhayl17]

haha feeling ko mabilis din at may possibility talunin nito ang old car na SIR its a newer car with a 2.0engine

alin ang k20? di po car ang k20 sir, its "just" a honda engine but with really lots of horses.

the sir's engine b16forgot the exact engine code) will loooe by a 1/4mile to a k20. but b18's are still the more practical choice imho.

i believe a k20 is a racing engine with lots of possibilities. i think it can even reach up to 300hp or more.

try searching at youtube for k20 equipt hondas, makita mu kung anu anu sinisibak niyan sa drag race.

[isa1023]

alin ang k20? di po car ang k20 sir, its "just" a honda engine but with really lots of horses.

the sir's engine b16forgot the exact engine code) will loooe by a 1/4mile to a k20. but b18's are still the more practical choice imho.

i believe a k20 is a racing engine with lots of possibilities. i think it can even reach up to 300hp or more.

try searching at youtube for k20 equipt hondas, makita mu kung anu anu sinisibak niyan sa drag race.

Siguro mas malaki pa ang potential ng k20 pag nagtagal na at magkakaron ng mas maraming ECU rechip performance data at piggyback settings na kayang i-tweak ang i-VTEC..

[aejhayl17]

Siguro mas malaki pa ang potential ng k20 pag nagtagal na at magkakaron ng mas maraming ECU rechip performance data at piggyback settings na kayang i-tweak ang i-VTEC..

i believe so too. this wont be a problem if you have patience (parts are ship from US) and lots of money.

sa US market kase, k20 is very common and widely used ng mga street tuners, kaya siguro needed parts and supplies saten come from there pa.

[kentgil]

alin ang k20? di po car ang k20 sir, its "just" a honda engine but with really lots of horses.

the sir's engine b16forgot the exact engine code) will loooe by a 1/4mile to a k20. but b18's are still the more practical choice imho.

i believe a k20 is a racing engine with lots of possibilities. i think it can even reach up to 300hp or more.

try searching at youtube for k20 equipt hondas, makita mu kung anu anu sinisibak niyan sa drag race.

yep i know k20 is ung engine na nakakabit sa civic 2.0 VTI-S or sa 2nd gen CRV 2.0 yep maraming possibilities ito its newer and better. haha victim ang 1.8FD ko nang SIR kaya bad trip parin ako i need to find a 2.0 VTIS bago matapos ang taon haha. kung may civicFD SI lang dito amf kakain nang alikabok ang old bastard SIR