Wild, wild west in Cavite?

[bad driver]

These guys make legitimate gun owners look bad. Tsk tsk tsk. Now expect another rash of 'anti-gun' sentiments to hit the streets.

lisensyado din naman yata ang mga baril don. same with ateneo bigote guy.

Ilan na bang legitimate gun owners who used his/her gun in a non-traffic/parking altercation? Like prevent a random robbery or kidnapping (without prior threats? (wait, ung sharpshooter na babae na pumatay ng side-mirror snatcher, di kasama yon).

I would love to read some para macorrect ang notion nang mga tao na there is more to "responsible" gun ownership than imposing your will on others when you are having a bad day.

lastly, how effective is a handgun against people who already have their guns drawn and pointed at you, element of surprise on their side while you are seated with your seat belts on?

but again, if you've had death threats/kidnapping history, it's something you have to do.

[jjmd3_787]

Dapat pairalin lagi ang lamig ng ulo esp sa road. Ang pikon ay talo.

Pero iba na ang usapan pag bubunutan ka na ng baril ...

Kidding aside, let us all keep our testosterone on check. Isip muna bago gawin ang isang bagay na pagsisihan din sa huli.

[swordsman]

Di yata kasi kasama mga misis...kaya walang pumigil. Hehehe. Lakas pa naman dumakdak ng ibang misis dyan, mapatagal lang pindot sa busina.

[MAXBUWAYA]

According sa tsismis sa palengke

Mas maganda daw ang pwesto ng grupo ni sultan, covered ang ang both left and right flank ng bautista. may naka position pa daw sa taas.

Malungkot din na some people are calling the incident as Christian vs. Muslim.

Hopefully matapos ang issue without anymore bloodshed.

[roninblade]

According sa tsismis sa palengke

Mas maganda daw ang pwesto ng grupo ni sultan, covered ang ang both left and right flank ng bautista. may naka position pa daw sa taas.

Malungkot din na some people are calling the incident as Christian vs. Muslim.

Hopefully matapos ang issue without anymore bloodshed.

dapat morons vs. idiots. buti nalang they took each other out.

[flakez]

According sa tsismis sa palengke

Mas maganda daw ang pwesto ng grupo ni sultan, covered ang ang both left and right flank ng bautista. may naka position pa daw sa taas.

Malungkot din na some people are calling the incident as Christian vs. Muslim.

Hopefully matapos ang issue without anymore bloodshed.

so mukhang nag ready na rin pala sila incase na bumalik yung mga bautista. ayun bumalik nga at napalibutan na.

mukhang magkakainitan talaga sa palengke ngayon ah. hehehe

[shadow]

hinde lang naman yun mga nakaaqay nilang muslim ang bumaril sa mga Baustista, ang dami daw sumaling Muslim kaya patay talaga yun magaama...

alam mo naman ang mga Muslims kuyog talaga sila, pag meron nakaaway ang isa.

tapos talagang matagal na daw meron away ang mga outsiders (muslims) and mga Caviteno, meron daw kasing binugbog na 16 year old na lalake and meron pang ginawa rin sa isang babae eh...kaya mainit na talaga yun mga muslims sa mga Caviteno...

lagi pa daw kuyog ang mga muslims doon sa market basta meron nakaaway na caviteno....

[MAXBUWAYA]

tapos talagang matagal na daw meron away ang mga outsiders (muslims) and mga Caviteno, meron daw kasing binugbog na 16 year old na lalake and meron pang ginawa rin sa isang babae eh...kaya mainit na talaga yun mga muslims sa mga Caviteno...

....

havent heard of the story yet.

I dont think na may away ang mga Caviteno at Muslim. Even Before the gun fight ok naman ang business for both. Hindi naman araw araw may bugbugan at Patayan.

I guess its just another traffic incident. Too bad both parties have guns.

[shadow]

this is where I've read it...

Brewing tension between Muslims vs locals

By Marlon Ramos
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 02:23:00 06/24/2009

Filed Under: Police, Local authorities, Crime

MANILA, Philippines—The bloody family feud in Imus, Cavite, on Father’s Day may be a sign of brewing tension between Muslim “outsiders” and Caviteños, former Vice. Gov. Johnvic Remulla warned Tuesday.

“It’s a tinderbox waiting to explode,” Remulla said, explaining the shootout on Sunday night at the Imus public market that left six people dead.

Killed on one side were Raul Bautista, 68, and his sons Richie Allen and Raffy, who had just arrived from the United States last week to prepare for his wedding on June 30, and Bautista’s driver Michael Salanguit.

Dead on the other side were Muslim traders Sowaib Salie and Mahmoud Sultan, both natives of Lanao del Sur who owned a store selling cell phones and pirated video discs in the market.

Police said the shootout stemmed from a traffic altercation after Salie and Sultan accosted Bautista for blocking an alley while unloading blocks of ice from his jeep.

Bautista, whose family owns an ice warehouse in the market, was a first cousin of former Sen. Ramon Revilla Sr.

More than the terror it brought to the community, Remulla said the shooting revealed the simmering friction between Cavite natives and groups from Mindanao.

Clash of cultures

“It’s actually a clash of two different cultures of people—that of a group of dayo (outsiders) and the local folks being driven away from their place,” he told the Inquirer over the phone.

He noted that both male Mindanaoans and Caviteños were infamous for being barakos (toughies).

Both were also known to carry guns, added Remulla, the province’s vice governor from 1998 to 2007.

These traits, he explained, were a violent mix of character “if they are to share one place.”

Even before Sunday’s shootout, Remulla said he and other local leaders feared the possibility of a violent confrontation between Muslim and Cavite residents.

He said the recent killing of a 16-year-old teenager and the beating up of another youngster allegedly by Muslim traders had already angered Caviteños.

Frequent fights

Confrontations among Muslim groups and residents, some of which were not reported to the police, have become frequent in the past six months, Remulla said.

“The Muslims gang up on their enemies in Cavite whenever they get into a fight,” Remulla said.

Remulla, scion of one of the province’s most influential political clans, blamed Sunday’s shootout to the failure of the local police and community leaders to stop the spread of loose firearms.

He said he was shocked upon learning that the elder Bautista was among those killed.

“Although he was just a simple townsfolk, he was very popular in his village for organizing community events. I never heard him being involved in any wrongdoing,” he said.

But Imus Mayor Manny Maliksi insisted that Sunday’s shootout was just an isolated case.

He also dismissed Remulla’s observations, saying it was the first time that Muslims were involved in a shootout.

“We had actually tried to organize the Muslim community in our town to prevent things such as this from happening,” Maliksi said.

“It’s very unfortunate that several people were killed just because they failed to contain their emotions,” the mayor said.

Complaints vs Muslim bullies

Maliksi, however, admitted that he had received a number of complaints from market stall owners and other residents of bullying tactics of Muslim traders.

Maliksi likewise disclosed that he personally knew Sultan and Salie as both had helped him in organizing the Muslim community in Imus.

But he said he did not know that Sultan was often seen carrying pistol while manning his store in the public market.

Supt. Ulysses Cruz, Imus police chief, said that the families of Salie and Sultan had already left for Mindanao.

Maliksi met on Tuesday with vendors and tenants of the public market in a bid to pacify warring groups in the area and prevent retaliation from any groups.

Civilian security groups

Aside from members of the Special Weapons and Tactics team, Maliksi deployed 50 personnel of the Civil Security Unit and the Peace and Order Council some of whom were armed.

Senior Supt. Leonardo Espina, spokesperson of the Philippine National Police, said that pistols and spent ammunition recovered from the scene were being examined to determine if they had been used in previous criminal activity.

Police recovered 40 spent shells of .45 cal., 9-mm, 9-mm Beretta and 9-mm Star pistols.
With reports from Tarra Quismundo and Maricar P. Cinco, Inquirer Southern Luzon

[MiguelMalvar]

this is where I've read it...

This Marlon Ramos guy and his editor are the kind of people that continue to propagate the stereotype.

Moron journalists who write up sensationalist stories because they're so desparate to sell more newspapers.

This in turn, make people think, "Ganun nga ba talaga? Is there really a rift of culture between Muslims and Christians? Siguro ganun nga, nasa Inquirer e".

I end up reading BBC for my more reliable news. It's sad.

But in order not to digress, it seems to be Nature's way of cleaning up the gene pool.

[MiguelMalvar]

Kaya tuloy pati ako takot dumaan dun sa Muslim quarter ng Lower Bicutan,