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  1. Join Date
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    #1
    I dont know if this should belong to this section... mods pakilipat na lang kung saan appropriate yun thread.

    Ask ko lang kung ano SOP ng mga pulis sa pag-flag down ng motorist?

    Yesterday, Friday the 13th, I was with my fiancee at papaluwas kami ng manila so sa may balintawak cloverleaf na kami papa-akyat papunta monumento then pinara kami ng 2 pulis(yun isa may m16 pa at nakaupo sa may hood ng patrol car) so ako naman tumabi ako in front of their patrol then binaba ko yun bintana tapos tinanong ko yun pulis kung ano violation ko then sabi nya tint daw so sinabi ko sa kanya kasi sa fiancee ko yun at syempre babae yun driver so kelangan medyo tinted talaga (sa fiancee ko talaga yun sasakyan) tapos hiningan ako ng licensya at rehistro ng sasakyan saka tinanong kung may baril na dala at pinababa ako ng sasakyan (medyo nakaumang na rin yun kasama nya na naka m16) since wala naman ako alam na violation at walang ginagawang illegal eh di bumaba ako while yun m16 ng kasama nya eh nakatutok sakin (i cant blame them, malaki kasi ako eh!) tapos kinakapkapan ako nung kasama nya. binigay ko yun lisensya ko tapos nakita nila na may hand gun license ako. nung makita nila yun medyo bumait sila sa kin (bakit kaya?) then thorough search sila sa sasakyan which is ok lang naman since i am not really fond of bringing guns (baka makadisgrasya pa) tapos habang nagsesearch eh kinukwentuhan ako nung pulis telling me that i should get a PTC dahil sa dami na daw ng kriminal ngayon pero sabi ko mahigpit ang crame at kailangan ng police report na may threat ka sa buhay mo. sabi nung isang pulis "barilin mo yun gate mo then pagawa ka ng report".

    Di ko masasabi na rant eto pero gusto ko lang maliwanagan. paano ba dapat ang gagawin kapag pinara ka ng pulis at gusto i-search sasakyan mo?
    Wala naman kasi nakalagay na checkpoint dun at dalawa lang sila. Di rin naman sila LTO or traffic enforcer... kinabahan nga ako after makaalis kami kasi pwede sila mag-plant ng kung ano sa sasakyan, the way the police conducted the search medyo di malabo mangyari yun. Siguro pumayag lang ako since "in good faith" at tiwala ako sa kanila dahil wala naman ako ginagawa kalokohan.

  2. Join Date
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    #2
    hmm

    yang BALINTAWAK CLOVERLEAF na yan ay ubod ng dameng buwaya! nanjan ang mga MMDA na species ng buwaya, QC Traffic Enforcer na buwaya at mga Pulis na buwaya, tsk, laging madameng nahuhuli jan, maling liko mu lng ayan na sila sa harap mu pumapara, in searching the vehicle dapat yung kita lang ng naked eyes ang titignan, lalo na kung walang silang search warrant. And also habang nag search sila dapat nakatingin ka din for assurance na wala silang ilalagay sa oto mo na masama. We were told na kung sakali meron makita sila (which is di naman sayo at planted yun) dapat di mo hawakan para la finger print mo yung item, atleast may defense kpa rin khit sabihin nila na nakita sa loob ng oto mo yun. Nagongotong lng mga hinayupak na yan sa BALINTAWAK CLOVERLEAF.

    jan pala ako nahuli nung wednesday lng at kinuha license ko, may thread na din ako about "tubos ng license."

    ang dame ko pa story tungkol sa mga huli na yan na experience ko kasama mga barkada ko sa ibat ibang places.

  3. Join Date
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    #3
    Napansin ko lang pag nasa bandang kanan yun laging pinapara pag-akyat mo pero pag nasa kaliwang banda parang wala silang nakikita.

  4. Join Date
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    #4
    to tell you honestly ilan beses na din ako napapara pero yun isa ay checkpoint sa may chinese... medyo arrogant yun isang pulis na mukhang bagito dahil bata pa. humingi na lang ng pasensya yun mga kasama nya ( buti na lang... may pagka bastos kasi yun pagtatanong nya eh). once naman sa may valenzuela, naka-bike ako noon at third eh eto.... ok lang naman sa kin yun eh. para lang sa security natin. gusto ko lang naman malaman yun mga dapat gawin. lahat naman ng instances eh wala sila mahanap na butas lalo na yun huli, grabe yun search nila! ako talaga pinababa tapos hinanapan yun buong sasakyan pati yun busina chineck kung may wang wang.... sori sila wala sila mahanap sa kin kaya lang yun lang talaga pinag-alala ko kung nag-plant sila ng "evidence" di ko kagad naisip yun.... mahirap naman kasi pag di ka pumayag. baka barilin pa kami

  5. Join Date
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    #5
    according to a lawyer friend of mine, cops aren't allowed to search your car unless they have a warrant. they can shine a light through the windows and look at what's in plain sight, but that's as far as they can go.

  6. Join Date
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    #6
    ^^^^
    korekek! dapat ang sagot pag pinababa ka ng car e "ano reason officer? meron ba kayo nakikita na dapat e bumaba ako ng kotse?" dapat merong probable cause bago ka pababain ng kotse ng pulis. tapos sa search naman kung wala naman visible evidence ng wrongdoing e you have the right to ask for a search warrant. otherwise even if they find any evidence (planted or otherwise) inadmissible sa korte yun. you can also remind them of the law against illegal searches.

  7. Join Date
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    #7
    Searches at checkpoints are limited to what is in plain view. You can politely but firmly assert your rights when they "ask" you to step out of your car or open interior compartments. Unless there is probable cause, they cannot legally compel you to submit to a thorough search.

    It's also best to have a friend who is a lawyer whom you can easily contact in case they insist on detaining you because you refused to comply, in which case you can file a complaint against them. This is one reason I carry a digicam everyday that can also record video --it's a great tool for recording evidence of wrongdoings.

    P.S.

    May bagong ruling na ba yung MMDA o TMG tungkol sa mga dark tint? Ano na ba status quo dito?
    Last edited by mikey177; October 15th, 2006 at 05:03 PM.

  8. Join Date
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    #8
    Question for our lawyer friends:

    While I was at Rex Book Store I bought a copy of Justice Oscar Herrera's Handbook on Arrest, Search and Seizure. Do the cases discussed therein provide a good overview of what is legal and illegal with regard to police searches? Or, can you recommend another book to serve as a guide for us ordinary citizens at checkpoints when confronted with abusive law enforcers such as the ones encountered by badsekktor?

  9. Join Date
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    #9
    mukhang may dragnet operation kapag ganun.

    mahilig sila maglagay ng mga impromptu checkpoints sa mga chokepoints.

    pero dapat hindi ka na bumaba ng vehicle (unless escort mo sila para buksan ung trunk). gawin mo... buksan mo agad ung interior light and bintana. so kita ka agad nila and pakita na wala ka namang tinatago.

  10. Join Date
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    #10
    medyo nakakatakot nga yang ginawa sa yo. kung ako cguro yon, bababa din ako. buti at di ka pinag-tripan

    just to be clear, how do you politely yet firmly assert na illegal yung pinapagawa nila sayo? medyo tactless and straight to the point kasi ako, baka pag-initan pa ako ng pulis hehe

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