I dont know if this should belong to this section... mods pakilipat na lang kung saan appropriate yun thread.
Ask ko lang kung ano SOP ng mga pulis sa pag-flag down ng motorist?
Yesterday, Friday the 13th, I was with my fiancee at papaluwas kami ng manila so sa may balintawak cloverleaf na kami papa-akyat papunta monumento then pinara kami ng 2 pulis(yun isa may m16 pa at nakaupo sa may hood ng patrol car) so ako naman tumabi ako in front of their patrol then binaba ko yun bintana tapos tinanong ko yun pulis kung ano violation ko then sabi nya tint daw so sinabi ko sa kanya kasi sa fiancee ko yun at syempre babae yun driver so kelangan medyo tinted talaga (sa fiancee ko talaga yun sasakyan) tapos hiningan ako ng licensya at rehistro ng sasakyan saka tinanong kung may baril na dala at pinababa ako ng sasakyan (medyo nakaumang na rin yun kasama nya na naka m16) since wala naman ako alam na violation at walang ginagawang illegal eh di bumaba ako while yun m16 ng kasama nya eh nakatutok sakin (i cant blame them, malaki kasi ako eh!) tapos kinakapkapan ako nung kasama nya. binigay ko yun lisensya ko tapos nakita nila na may hand gun license ako. nung makita nila yun medyo bumait sila sa kin (bakit kaya?) then thorough search sila sa sasakyan which is ok lang naman since i am not really fond of bringing guns (baka makadisgrasya pa) tapos habang nagsesearch eh kinukwentuhan ako nung pulis telling me that i should get a PTC dahil sa dami na daw ng kriminal ngayon pero sabi ko mahigpit ang crame at kailangan ng police report na may threat ka sa buhay mo. sabi nung isang pulis "barilin mo yun gate mo then pagawa ka ng report".
Di ko masasabi na rant eto pero gusto ko lang maliwanagan. paano ba dapat ang gagawin kapag pinara ka ng pulis at gusto i-search sasakyan mo?
Wala naman kasi nakalagay na checkpoint dun at dalawa lang sila. Di rin naman sila LTO or traffic enforcer... kinabahan nga ako after makaalis kami kasi pwede sila mag-plant ng kung ano sa sasakyan, the way the police conducted the search medyo di malabo mangyari yun. Siguro pumayag lang ako since "in good faith" at tiwala ako sa kanila dahil wala naman ako ginagawa kalokohan.
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October 14th, 2006 10:07 AM #1
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October 14th, 2006 10:41 AM #2hmm
yang BALINTAWAK CLOVERLEAF na yan ay ubod ng dameng buwaya! nanjan ang mga MMDA na species ng buwaya, QC Traffic Enforcer na buwaya at mga Pulis na buwaya, tsk, laging madameng nahuhuli jan, maling liko mu lng ayan na sila sa harap mu pumapara, in searching the vehicle dapat yung kita lang ng naked eyes ang titignan, lalo na kung walang silang search warrant. And also habang nag search sila dapat nakatingin ka din for assurance na wala silang ilalagay sa oto mo na masama. We were told na kung sakali meron makita sila (which is di naman sayo at planted yun) dapat di mo hawakan para la finger print mo yung item, atleast may defense kpa rin khit sabihin nila na nakita sa loob ng oto mo yun. Nagongotong lng mga hinayupak na yan sa BALINTAWAK CLOVERLEAF.
jan pala ako nahuli nung wednesday lng at kinuha license ko, may thread na din ako about "tubos ng license."
ang dame ko pa story tungkol sa mga huli na yan na experience ko kasama mga barkada ko sa ibat ibang places.
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October 14th, 2006 11:19 AM #3Napansin ko lang pag nasa bandang kanan yun laging pinapara pag-akyat mo pero pag nasa kaliwang banda parang wala silang nakikita.
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October 14th, 2006 12:35 PM #4to tell you honestly ilan beses na din ako napapara pero yun isa ay checkpoint sa may chinese... medyo arrogant yun isang pulis na mukhang bagito dahil bata pa. humingi na lang ng pasensya yun mga kasama nya ( buti na lang... may pagka bastos kasi yun pagtatanong nya eh). once naman sa may valenzuela, naka-bike ako noon at third eh eto.... ok lang naman sa kin yun eh. para lang sa security natin. gusto ko lang naman malaman yun mga dapat gawin. lahat naman ng instances eh wala sila mahanap na butas lalo na yun huli, grabe yun search nila! ako talaga pinababa tapos hinanapan yun buong sasakyan pati yun busina chineck kung may wang wang.... sori sila wala sila mahanap sa kin kaya lang yun lang talaga pinag-alala ko kung nag-plant sila ng "evidence" di ko kagad naisip yun.... mahirap naman kasi pag di ka pumayag. baka barilin pa kami
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October 14th, 2006 12:36 PM #5according to a lawyer friend of mine, cops aren't allowed to search your car unless they have a warrant. they can shine a light through the windows and look at what's in plain sight, but that's as far as they can go.
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October 14th, 2006 01:05 PM #6^^^^
korekek! dapat ang sagot pag pinababa ka ng car e "ano reason officer? meron ba kayo nakikita na dapat e bumaba ako ng kotse?" dapat merong probable cause bago ka pababain ng kotse ng pulis. tapos sa search naman kung wala naman visible evidence ng wrongdoing e you have the right to ask for a search warrant. otherwise even if they find any evidence (planted or otherwise) inadmissible sa korte yun. you can also remind them of the law against illegal searches.
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October 15th, 2006 05:00 PM #7Searches at checkpoints are limited to what is in plain view. You can politely but firmly assert your rights when they "ask" you to step out of your car or open interior compartments. Unless there is probable cause, they cannot legally compel you to submit to a thorough search.
It's also best to have a friend who is a lawyer whom you can easily contact in case they insist on detaining you because you refused to comply, in which case you can file a complaint against them. This is one reason I carry a digicam everyday that can also record video --it's a great tool for recording evidence of wrongdoings.
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May bagong ruling na ba yung MMDA o TMG tungkol sa mga dark tint? Ano na ba status quo dito?Last edited by mikey177; October 15th, 2006 at 05:03 PM.
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October 16th, 2006 02:01 AM #8pansin ko rin to, so this is a good tip, para maiwasan ang mga ganitong hassles... one more thing , pag may napansin kang kotong-cops, dont look at them, pretend you see nothing... diretso lang, pero tigil lang pag pinara.. baka habulin ka ng bala...
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October 16th, 2006 04:35 PM #9alam ko di nila dapat ginawa iyon. at baket ka tututukan ng baril, mga ugok talaga iyon. pero buti na lang walang nangyari sa iyo at sa kasama mo. Originally Posted by badsekktor
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October 16th, 2006 06:27 PM #10pasalamat na nga rin ako at wala nangyari sa min pero mukhang malas yata talaga friday the 13th. Originally Posted by froshie1
ang hirap kasi ng kalagayan natin dahil ordinaryong mamamayan lang tayo.... mahirap kasi makipag-argue sa ganung sitwasyon, sila kasi ang may baril at may authority, kahit ikaw ang nasa lugar eh worthless na rin yun kung nasa kabaong na kami ng fiancee ko....
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October 20th, 2006 04:34 AM #11 Originally Posted by badsekktor
there are lotof abusive cops out there. even if we have laws the problem is the implementation. now there is a saying " ignorance of the law is not an excuse from compliance therewith".
here are some important information to remember i hope this helps:
Article 3 bill of rights section 2 states:
[SIZE=5]The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures of whatever nature and for any purpose shall be inviolable, and no search warrant or warrant of arrest shall issue except upon probable cause to be determined personally by the judge after examination under oath or affirmation of the complainant and the witnesses he may produce, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=5]they cannot insist on searching your car if you dont allow them to do so. there are a lot of charges you can file like for ex:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=5]if they arrest you because you refused to have your car search. you can charge them of violation of the revised penal code as follows:[/SIZE]
Art. 124. Arbitrary detention. — Any public officer or employee who, without legal grounds, detains a person, shall suffer;
- 1. The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period, if the detention has not exceeded three days; 2. The penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods, if the detention has continued more than three but not more than fifteen days;
3. The penalty of prision mayor, if the detention has continued for more than fifteen days but not more than six months; and
4. That of reclusion temporal, if the detention shall have exceeded six months.
--CHECK POINTS ARE SUBJECTED FOR VISUAL SEARCHES ONLY UNLESS THERE IS A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THEM TO SEARCH YOUR CAR . AND THEY SHOULD BE CONDUCTED IN A WELL LIT AREA. FOR EX:
THEY VISUALLY SAW YOUR GUN OR ANY WEAPON OR DRUGS.
FINAL WORDS :
IF THEY INSIST ON SEARCHING YOUR CAR CALL THE POLICE. I MEANT OTHER POLICE WHO ARE LOCATED IN YOUR JURISDICTION OR CALL 117 FOR GLOBE USERS. OR BETTER YET CALL THE PRESS. I HOPE THIS HELPS.
here are other helpful information :
As a rule, a valid search must be authorized by a search warrant duly issued by an appropriate authority. However, a warrantless search can be made in the following cases:
- (a) moving vehicles and the seizure of evidence in plain view; (b) as long asthe vehicle is neither searched nor its occupant/s subjected to a body search, and the inspection of the vehicle is merely limited to a visual search;
(c) when the occupant(s) of the vehicle appear to be nervous or suspicious or exhibit unnatural reaction;
(d) if the officer conducting the search has reasonable or probable cause to believe that either the occupant(s) is a law offender or that the instrumentality or evidence pertaining to the commission of a crime can be found in the vehicle to be searched; and
(e) on the basis of prior confidential information which are reasonably corroborated by other attendant matters
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October 20th, 2006 12:12 PM #12share ko lang experience ko sa check point..
sa may julia vargas shell C5 going to mega mall, around 9pm pinara ako ng 9 member Pasig Elite naka full battle gear talaga sila with sign board naman yung operation nila...
naka glass plate cover kc ako kakatapos lang ng ulan then napuno ng putik.... pinara ako so i stop then ask for my violation. sabi ng team leader nila wala daw yung plate ko sa likod, so nagulat ako bumaba ako agad at tinignan yun pala puno ng putik kaya di na makita ang plate..
pinunasan ko then pinakita ko... tinuloy na nila yung search ask for my license and registration, after noon pina sakay ako sa kotse uli. visual search lng daw.. nag ask sila kung may baril ako... so nag biro ako... sabi ko " sir dami nyo ng baril kulang pa po ba yan?" natawa lang yung team leader then bumaba uli ako at personal ko ng binuksan lahat ng pinto ng car.
sabi ng team leader " sir bawal po yan! sa loob lang po kyo.." pero i insist kaya tinignan na din nila..
It sound odd pero sa lahat ng encounter ko with our police men never ako natakot at still may tiwala pa din ako sa system ng law enforcement sa atin.
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October 21st, 2006 08:03 PM #13parang yung ginawa mo sir.. you kept your cool, you were calm and cooperative. that is exactly what one should do when flagged down by cops
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