Too many PASAWAY motorcycle RIDERS on the street

[k0mpressor]

sorry boss, i do not agree on this. sa low speed or at stop lights ng intersection nagkakagulatan dahil sa daming tanga nakaunderbone at that speed pa?
thinking lalong mahihikayat mga yan na maglower ng motornila thinking na lalo silang bibilis at mawawalan ng drag ung underbone nila.

tito ko nakahinto sa kanto ng roxas blvd at airport road dahil pakaliwa siya. then all of a sudden after atleast 30s being stop in the stop light binangga siya ng tangang underbone - ang masama damage na kotse niya, gastos pa siya sa pampagamot ng gago. kung ako iyun at hindi lang ako takot sa diyos taena aatrasan ko ung hayup na iyun para mabawasan peste sa kalsada.

so kung matinong underbone rider ka, do it and continue to do it and be a good citizen, ngayon kung pati batas iquestion mo because of lousy excuse of class segregation, parang hindi ata tama.

hahahahah. sorry cant help it, IMHO lang iyan.

Madaling magsalita coz you haven't experienced it yourself. I have also used small bikes on expressways where it's legal (like US na 150cc ang freeway minimum and Malaysia na kahit 100cc underbone ay expressway-legal kaya magtaka ka, why ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINES MERONG SUB400 BAN?). Most "gulat" factors happen when there are stops or low speed instances especially in traffic. At the rate the expressways are going these days, are those instances very common?


Please do more research on the sub400 ban. Off topic na yan dito.

[brainmafia_310]

Madaling magsalita coz you haven't experienced it yourself. I have also used small bikes on expressways where it's legal (like US na 150cc ang freeway minimum and Malaysia na kahit 100cc underbone ay expressway-legal kaya magtaka ka, why ONLY IN THE PHILIPPINES MERONG SUB400 BAN?). Most "gulat" factors happen when there are stops or low speed instances especially in traffic. At the rate the expressways are going these days, are those instances very common?


Please do more research on the sub400 ban. Off topic na yan dito.

you have been in the US, you have been in Malaysia - then why dont you stay in any of the two countries to use your udnerbone.

boss no need to do a research, just look at the streets and you know the difference.

why copmpared malaysia? why compared us? philippine is different and honestly and hate to admit it these two countries are far more mature than our beloved country.

Most "gulat" factors happen when there are stops or low speed instances especially in traffic

again i do not agree, stop nga eh, pano ka magugulat - di ba pag stop dapat stop na (otherwise may iabng definitions sa malaysia and US) or should at least reduce their speed until they are totally stop.

sorry i am just a poor boy my salary is way way below 6 digitz, i do njot have money to go to US or Malaysia.

[k0mpressor]

you have been in the US, you have been in Malaysia - then why dont you stay in any of the two countries to use your udnerbone.

boss no need to do a research, just look at the streets and you know the difference.

why copmpared malaysia? why compared us? philippine is different and honestly and hate to admit it these two countries are far more mature than our beloved country.



again i do not agree, stop nga eh, pano ka magugulat - di ba pag stop dapat stop na (otherwise may iabng definitions sa malaysia and US) or should at least reduce their speed until they are totally stop.

sorry i am just a poor boy my salary is way way below 6 digitz, i do njot have money to go to US or Malaysia.

Please read the context. I'm referring to stops as in traffic where most cars are either running very slow or stopped but motorcycles keep filtering without the courtesy kaya madaming gulat moments. Kasi pag nakita nilang kasya, pinipilit nila. Some cars tend to switch lanes pag nakitang may puwang na nabuksan (hindi agad nakaabante yung nasa likod) then madadale ng motor na sumisingit.


Small motorcycles cannot run more than 20% beyond the speed limits. So kahit 80 or 100 ang takbo mo, hindi ka magugulat kung merong mag attempt mag overtake sa iyo because more or less nasa 10-20% lang ang speed differential niya sa iyo.


Yes the Philippines is different. Because the Philippines has bigots who are in key positions as well as politicians who are the very reason why the class divide is just too wide. The filthy rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.


Do you even know what bike I use? It's so easy for you to generalize for me to use "my underbone" without knowing the facts, like what bike I ride everyday.

[brainmafia_310]

Please read the context. I'm referring to stops as in traffic where most cars are either running very slow or stopped but motorcycles keep filtering without the courtesy kaya madaming gulat moments. Kasi pag nakita nilang kasya, pinipilit nila. Some cars tend to switch lanes pag nakitang may puwang na nabuksan (hindi agad nakaabante yung nasa likod) then madadale ng motor na sumisingit.


Small motorcycles cannot run more than 20% beyond the speed limits. So kahit 80 or 100 ang takbo mo, hindi ka magugulat kung merong mag attempt mag overtake sa iyo because more or less nasa 10-20% lang ang speed differential niya sa iyo.


Yes the Philippines is different. Because the Philippines has bigots who are in key positions as well as politicians who are the very reason why the class divide is just too wide. The filthy rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.


Do you even know what bike I use? It's so easy for you to generalize for me to use "my underbone" without knowing the facts, like what bike I ride everyday.

again idol, no need to know any of your details.

again i do not agree even it is off topic

Yes the Philippines is different. Because the Philippines has bigots who are in key positions as well as politicians who are the very reason why the class divide is just too wide. The filthy rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

so in the US it is not happening.

you are right on this

Small motorcycles cannot run more than 20% beyond the speed limits. So kahit 80 or 100 ang takbo mo, hindi ka magugulat kung merong mag attempt mag overtake sa iyo because more or less nasa 10-20% lang ang speed differential niya sa iyo.

however as you mentioned that they cannot run or more than 20% of the speed limits meaning that the engine is too strained for the expressway, broken pistons et.al. will pose another hazard to the motorists using the expressway.

kung madidisgrasya sila at hindi tatama sa ibang sasakayan walang problema pero at 100kph, whatever happen mahirap magmaneuver considering biglaan ito mangyayari. so in the end ung maayos na user ang madadale pagpinayagan ito sa expressway,.

[k0mpressor]

you are right on this however as you mentioned that they cannot run or more than 20% of the speed limits meaning that the engine is too strained for the expressway, broken pistons et.al. will pose another hazard to the motorists using the expressway.

kung madidisgrasya sila at hindi tatama sa ibang sasakayan walang problema pero at 100kph, whatever happen mahirap magmaneuver considering biglaan ito mangyayari. so in the end ung maayos na user ang madadale pagpinayagan ito sa expressway,.

Hard to believe but these so called highway breakdowns do not happen in real life nowadays. The "strained engine" myth is also one of the arguments that the opposing groups used during the deliberations back then but were easily debunked by the petitioners. It may still hold water if we are talking about old two stroke engines with defective autolube systems but those can already be considered as things of the past since more than 90% of motorcycles today, including business models already are on 4-stroke engines.


We did a north luzon ride way back 2005 and several small bikes including a stock 115cc yamaha mio, a stock 150cc Suzuki Raider, a stock 110cc kymco underbone and even a stock two-stroke 100cc Kymco scooter joined the ride (The rest were big displacement bikes and big scooters). The ride pace never went below 60km/h since it started in the wee hours of the morning and was averaging 80-100km/h on long stretches. From Manila to Tugegarao, the only food and bathroom stopovers were in San Jose, Nueva Ecija and Aritao in Nueva Viscaya. Considering the speeds and lengths of the said stretches, the expressways can be considered as a walk in the park since they are not as long and one can comfortably cruise on constant speeds compared to national highways with fewer lanes and lots of slow-moving trucks that need to be overtaken.

Regarding those said small bikes, again hard to believe but they are still running in good condition as of writing and have already clocked more than 100,000kms without overhauls. Straight/constant highway runs at 80-100km/h are actually better for those small four-stroke engines because the loads do not vary too much/are constant, the engine oil circulates freely and the engine is cooled way better than consistently accelerating and braking and accelerating and braking while dodging obstacles on national highways which was frequently experienced when passing capitols and town centers.


However, may mga pasaway din na mod ng mod ng mga motor nila. Yun yung mga nababalian ng mga con rods, natutukuran ng mga valves, seized pistons, etc. Even four wheelers have their own share of dilapidated units and owners who neglect or wrongfully mod their engines.

[brainmafia_310]

Hard to believe but these so called highway breakdowns do not happen in real life nowadays. The "strained engine" myth is also one of the arguments that the opposing groups used during the deliberations back then but were easily debunked by the petitioners. It may still hold water if we are talking about old two stroke engines with defective autolube systems but those can already be considered as things of the past since more than 90% of motorcycles today, including business models already are on 4-stroke engines.


We did a north luzon ride way back 2005 and several small bikes including a stock 115cc yamaha mio, a stock 150cc Suzuki Raider, a stock 110cc kymco underbone and even a stock two-stroke 100cc Kymco scooter joined the ride (The rest were big displacement bikes and big scooters). The ride pace never went below 60km/h since it started in the wee hours of the morning and was averaging 80-100km/h on long stretches. From Manila to Tugegarao, the only food and bathroom stopovers were in San Jose, Nueva Ecija and Aritao in Nueva Viscaya. Considering the speeds and lengths of the said stretches, the expressways can be considered as a walk in the park since they are not as long and one can comfortably cruise on constant speeds compared to national highways with fewer lanes and lots of slow-moving trucks that need to be overtaken.

Regarding those said small bikes, again hard to believe but they are still running in good condition as of writing and have already clocked more than 100,000kms without overhauls. Straight/constant highway runs at 80-100km/h are actually better for those small four-stroke engines because the loads do not vary too much/are constant, the engine oil circulates freely and the engine is cooled way better than consistently accelerating and braking and accelerating and braking while dodging obstacles on national highways which was frequently experienced when passing capitols and town centers.


However, may mga pasaway din na mod ng mod ng mga motor nila. Yun yung mga nababalian ng mga con rods, natutukuran ng mga valves, seized pistons, etc. Even four wheelers have their own share of dilapidated units and owners who neglect or wrongfully mod their engines.

why not do it daily so that we can test the myth.

[k0mpressor]

why not do it daily so that we can test the myth.

Been there, done that.

[Dark Lord]

i used to drive a subcompact that has curb weight of 1.1tons (mas mabigat pa sa actual dahil sa mga karga at pasahero). if i get overtaken by a bus or a truck with trailers on nlex and sctex, i can feel how the wind pounds the car and move it somehow. Just dont know if an underbone can handle it with its light and thin frame and thin tires.

Hard to believe but these so called highway breakdowns do not happen in real life nowadays. The "strained engine" myth is also one of the arguments that the opposing groups used during the deliberations back then but were easily debunked by the petitioners. It may still hold water if we are talking about old two stroke engines with defective autolube systems but those can already be considered as things of the past since more than 90% of motorcycles today, including business models already are on 4-stroke engines.


We did a north luzon ride way back 2005 and several small bikes including a stock 115cc yamaha mio, a stock 150cc Suzuki Raider, a stock 110cc kymco underbone and even a stock two-stroke 100cc Kymco scooter joined the ride (The rest were big displacement bikes and big scooters). The ride pace never went below 60km/h since it started in the wee hours of the morning and was averaging 80-100km/h on long stretches. From Manila to Tugegarao, the only food and bathroom stopovers were in San Jose, Nueva Ecija and Aritao in Nueva Viscaya. Considering the speeds and lengths of the said stretches, the expressways can be considered as a walk in the park since they are not as long and one can comfortably cruise on constant speeds compared to national highways with fewer lanes and lots of slow-moving trucks that need to be overtaken.

Regarding those said small bikes, again hard to believe but they are still running in good condition as of writing and have already clocked more than 100,000kms without overhauls. Straight/constant highway runs at 80-100km/h are actually better for those small four-stroke engines because the loads do not vary too much/are constant, the engine oil circulates freely and the engine is cooled way better than consistently accelerating and braking and accelerating and braking while dodging obstacles on national highways which was frequently experienced when passing capitols and town centers.


However, may mga pasaway din na mod ng mod ng mga motor nila. Yun yung mga nababalian ng mga con rods, natutukuran ng mga valves, seized pistons, etc. Even four wheelers have their own share of dilapidated units and owners who neglect or wrongfully mod their engines.

[brainmafia_310]

i used to drive a subcompact that has curb weight of 1.1tons (mas mabigat pa sa actual dahil sa mga karga at pasahero). if i get overtaken by a bus or a truck with trailers on nlex and sctex, i can feel how the wind pounds the car and move it somehow. Just dont know if an underbone can handle it with its light and thin frame and thin tires.

Sir been there done that daw po. iba magisip mga 6 figures na sweldo.

alam niya na majority eh gumagawa ng kapalpakan pero ijujustify niya para sa sarili niya without thinking the repercussion sa iabng tao (na nakararami).

homaygad sikspijoors.

[k0mpressor]

i used to drive a subcompact that has curb weight of 1.1tons (mas mabigat pa sa actual dahil sa mga karga at pasahero). if i get overtaken by a bus or a truck with trailers on nlex and sctex, i can feel how the wind pounds the car and move it somehow. Just dont know if an underbone can handle it with its light and thin frame and thin tires.

That is the infamous "wind myth" you are talking about.

Imagine you are standing on the sidewalk then an 18 wheeler trucker running at 80km/h passes by which creates a gust of wind. Your speed is zero km/h and weigh just like an average human adult (way lighter than a motorcycle). Tumilapon ka ba? Do you get shredded into pieces?


Now imagine the same you standing on the very same sidewalk but this time holding a 3x8 plywood horizontally then the same scenario happens. Bilangin mo na lang kung ilang feet ka mauurong.


Again, hard to believe but it's the bigger full faired motorcycles that are more susceptible to sudden wind gusts but it would still not be enough to throw them off their lane. Just a correction on the handlebars will do. As far as small motorcycles, it's almost just like slicing against the wind. Ayaw mo maniwala, try it yourself. If you are too afraid to do so, then you're better off inside your box.


Just like nung may bagyo circa 2006 ata when there were a lot of elf trucks with aluminum cabs na natumba while traversing edsa, C5 and CP Garcia in UP but no incidents for motorcycles. The more surface na binabangga ng wind, the more susceptible it is to being thrown away. That's why you'd feel the wind draft more on cars and vans, even buses but not so on motorcycles.