Too many PASAWAY motorcycle RIDERS on the street

[jave]

On the highlighted sentences above:
that is the amount of undisciplined 4 wheeled and above vehicle users on the road, that far outnumber the 2 wheelers in the Metro.

This, I disagree with, if only backed up by personal experience, if you count PUV's out of the picture.


But this...

There is a proper way of lane splitting and a wrong way. Sadly the inability of 4 wheelers in the country to maintain proper lane spacing also contributes to the risk of being hit by the undisciplined lane splitting MC users.

I agree with. Mga tao dito, no concept of lanes kasi.

If everyone knew how to follow the lanes and stay in the middle of them there would be enough space for small MCs to pass in-between cars safely during slow or stopped traffic.

Not really. Most roads here are not that wide enough. Even if cars stay perfectly in their lanes, in many roads, the spaces in between are still barely enough for a 2-wheel to sneak through.

What I'm trying to prevent when calling for a ban on "singit" is the act of idiot riders who think they know better and sneak through between cars and leave a gash on the car because they made a mistake, then just scamper off without an apology.

The rest of the post quoted still highlights the need for the REAL SOLUTION and that is "Strict law enforcement and driver education" applied to all road users. Not just cars, not just MCs, but all vehicles.
*snip*
Most developed countries can do it, so why can't the Philippines.

Like I mentioned, part of the culture is the root problem. The "Garapal", "Pasaway" portion, to be precise. Other countries can do it because they have a different culture. Mas marunong silang mahiya kapag gumagawa ng katarantaduhan sa harap ng ibang tao. I don't understand why, but Filipinos act like this whenever outside the country, but back here, wala, balik sa pagiging garapal at walanghiya.

[yapoy86]

dapat i ban yang mga underbones na yan sa MAJOR highways.. just like they are banned on SLEX, NLEX, SCTEX at kung ano pang TEX... not because they can maintain 60 - 100 kph speed they can use the highways!! remember they are not stable at these speeds unlike those big bikes with 400cc engine and above...

madaming alternate routes!! so banning them on edsa and C5 should not be an issue kasi madami pa pwede daanan..

madami kasi nag momotor papasok sa office eh naka motor na nga late pa bumangon papasok sa office kaya nag mamadali!! dyan na sila nakakaperwisyo at nakakadisgrasya pero noong wala pa syang motor maaga gumigising para mag commute

[eojlin]

Hi Leviticus and Joned,

Do you have to be very rude?

Ganyan ba talaga mga riders?! Ganyan ba kayo lahat?

Pardon me, but, it's like your posts got more distasteful messages than sense.

You do have an option to ignore me than be boisterous.
Can't you hold yourselves?

Ganyan din ba kayo sa kalsada? I hope not.
Could this be one of the reasons why we should ban underbones in EDSA and C5? (just kidding)



Yung mga nabanggit nyo, mga ideas nyo... sa tingin nyo ba, kayo lang ang nakaisip ng mga yan. Sa tingin nyo ba walang sumubok nyan?



Leviticus, i shared supporting ideas dun sa mga highlighted messages ko, could you read them first before spitting? Paki basa ulit, kasi parang ang layo ng mga sagot mo. Ano yung tungkol sa, ang karamihan - kasi iba yung context sa post ko e? Ikaw, sa tingin mo, kaya mo bang gawin yung mga pinapagawa mo sa mga traffic enforcers; hanggang gaano katagal?
(on your "POSSIBILITY") Minsan nakakaawa din yung iba sa mga traffic enforcers (maaaring hindi lahat); nag-t-trabaho ng matino pilit hahabol sa mga violators, binabastos naman ng marami sa kalsada. My point is, hindi basta-basta nating sasabihin na gawin nila ang lahat, lalo na sa sitwasyon ng traffic sa EDSA at C5.
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...&postcount=289
Any suggestions kung paano yung "fix law enforcement"? Yung hindi pa sana nasusubukan dito sa Metro Manila.


Joned, you still seem to be ignoring some messages and missing the point, read back.
I am patriot and I won't let you change that. You're dwelling on what band aids are and what are not - do that somewhere else.

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But the mere act of catching a few is enough to keep the majority following the laws.
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If few is too few, it won't change our situation.
Gusto mo bang mag-wish sa genie na sana hindi na pasaway mga Pinoy sa Pinas; mag wish ka na rin na sana dumami ang gustong maging pulis o traffic enforcer para possible na yung mag-assign ng ideal number of TE's sa mga kalsada (hindi kelangang maghanap ng 1:1).
Plus, may shortage pa tayo sa kapulisan at traffic enforcers, baka pwedeng mag-apply kayo (as in siryoso), mukang kaya nyo mga sinasabi nyo e.

Galit din ako sa trapo ("lousy mentality"). Lalo na yung ang daming salita na kaya daw gawin ito, madali lang daw ang implementasyon ng naisip nya, enough ang number ng kapulisan natin, at kung anu-ano pa.
Pero sa tutuo, hindi pala feasible mga panukala nila, nag-aksaya lang ng panahon at gumastos.
I'm asking you guys to be more realistic.
Think of things that really can be implemented; at, yung hindi masyadong matakaw sa budget.
Sana hindi tayo puro salita. Kung tutuong madali ilatag at ipasakatuparan ang mga sinasabi nyo, walang dahilan para hindi ko kayo suportahan.



For highway lanes and lane splitting... on the average, developed countries implement a 3.4 to 3.7 meters of lane width. Sa tingin nyo, gaano kalaki lanes sa EDSA at C5?
"Lane splitting by motorcycles is generally legal in Europe, and in Japan and several other countries, and is illegal in many U.S. states, but is considered lawful in California..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting
(So, depende pala sa mga kalsada at sa traffic. So, kelangan alam natin kung ano ang meron tayo, kung ano ang sitwasyon natin, at kung ano ang pwede sa atin. Wag puro angas.)

[Big_daddy]

If given a choice and a wishlist that a fairy godmother would grant..

- Strictly enforce the ban on MC with <400cc at the major highways (SLEX, NLEX, SCTEX, etc) simply because these vehicles are unstable at high speed, which is a requirement on highways.
- Strictly enforce a set of procedures to make it impossible for an uneducated driver (again, as long as you drive a vehicle) to get a hold of a license (LTO - seminars and actual driving tests...if you fail, then you don't get a license - simply put..you must be educated as a driver first before you get your license)
- provide MC lanes, regardless of engine displacement within the metropolis, not to mention MC specific parking slots in parking lots
- Strictly enforce a demerit system tied up to our drivers license (e.g. Singapore...its like if you accumulate 1000pts. you get your license suspended, with let's say overspeeding = 500pts. and so on and so forth) so if a person is caught doing the same thing over and over again, they stand a good chance of permanently loosing their privilege to drive, whether its a car or an MC, and APC or tank.
- ensure that all vehicles sold, whether an MC or Car should get an license plate the moment it is driven out of the casa (how friggin hard is it to stamp out a license plate for crying out loud)
- educate all traffic enforcers on road rules and etiquette,in other words, get somebody with brains to run the LTO

In all honesty, I've been a victim of a MC/Tricycle..which caused me a broken finger as well as putting my car in the casa for a couple of months, so I personally detest them. However, I see the benefits of regulating their use instead of an arbitrary ban on their use. I might purchase an MC in the future..just for running short errands or so, but I plan to be an educated MC rider and not contribute to the already tarnished image that they have.

[ecozone]

matagal na pong mahigpit na pinagbabawal ang mga mc w/ <400c sa NLEX, SLEX, SCTEX at star tollway so walang issue dyan, pero ban on main highways like EDSA, Commonwealth, etc.? anong alternate route ang pwede?

keep in mind that a lot of business establishments specially banks and courier services depend on this motorized messengers mostly using underbones in their operations. can you imagine if they are using cars? traffic would be a nightmare for all of us in an already bad situation, and the demand for gas would increase the already high price.

para sa akin disiplina lang talaga ang kailangan at strict enforcement of traffic law specially dun sa mga pasaway na riders.

[Leviticus]

matagal na pong mahigpit na pinagbabawal ang mga mc w/ <400c sa NLEX, SLEX, SCTEX at star tollway so walang issue dyan, pero ban on main highways like EDSA, Commonwealth, etc.? anong alternate route ang pwede?

there is actually a long discussion about the legality of that sub-400 cc ban, and there are people lobbying against it.

and you know what? sticker/decal lang ang katapat sa nlex, slex, sctex and star tollway. if it looks big, it is big-- yan ang summary ng implementation ng mga tollway operators.

It's ironic really. our lawmakers make plenty of rules and laws (like the sub-400 ban on expressways) but LEOs can't implement. ask yourselves this: why is there a ban on sub-400 motorcycles in the first place?

the answer: because they (LEOs) are too lazy to implement the law.

[Joned]

matagal na pong mahigpit na pinagbabawal ang mga mc w/ <400c sa NLEX, SLEX, SCTEX at star tollway so walang issue dyan, pero ban on main highways like EDSA, Commonwealth, etc.? anong alternate route ang pwede?

keep in mind that a lot of business establishments specially banks and courier services depend on this motorized messengers mostly using underbones in their operations. can you imagine if they are using cars? traffic would be a nightmare for all of us in an already bad situation, and the demand for gas would increase the already high price.

para sa akin disiplina lang talaga ang kailangan at strict enforcement of traffic law specially dun sa mga pasaway na riders.

Just what this forum needs. Another person who can see the bigger picture, and not just 10,20,30, or 40% of the picture.

Not one of the people posting in favor of banning small MCs have addressed the crucial points I have pointed out in my previous posts on the effects of such a ban and the possible future bans their simple minds will want in the future. Lets say that they get what they want and small MCs are banned from major roads like EDSA. Do you think these simple minded people will be content? The answer is no. They will again say that we should ban small MCs from all roads when they see all of them on the alternative routes. Then in the future like I stated they will go after Big Bikes. Simple minded people don't make good decisions, and shouldn't be made leaders of any country or organization.

People who want to implement an ordinance/law without actually doing any research on the benefits and adverse effects it will have are DUMB, LAZY, and SHALLOW much like the Politicians that the mases here continue to elect to office.

[bagugab]

just like to share( napulot ko lang sa isang forum site :D)

THE BIKER

I saw you, hug your purse closer to you in the grocery store line.
But, you didn't see me, put an extra $10.00 in the collection plate last Sunday.

I saw you, pull your child closer when we passed each other on the sidewalk.
But, you didn't see me, playing Santa at the local mall.

I saw you, change your mind about going into the restaurant.
But, you didn't see me, attending a meeting to raise more money for the hurricane relief.

I saw you, roll up your window and shake your head when I rode by.
But, you didn't see me, riding behind you when you flicked your cigarette butt out the car window.

I saw you, frown at me when I smiled at your children.
But, you didn't see me, when I took time off from work to run toys to the homeless.

I saw you, stare at my long hair.
But, you didn't see me, and my friends cut ten inches off for Locks of Love.

I saw you, roll your eyes at our leather jackets and gloves.
But, you didn't see me, and my brothers donate our old ones to those that had none.

I saw you, look in fright at my tattoos.
But, you didn't see me, cry as my children were born and have their name written over and in my heart.

I saw you, change lanes while rushing off to go somewhere.
But, you didn't see me, going home to be with my family.

I saw you, complain about how loud and noisy our bikes can be.
But, you didn't see me, when you were changing the CD and drifted into my lane.

I saw you, yelling at your kids in the car.
But, you didn't see me, pat my child's hands, knowing he was safe behind me.

I saw you, reading the newspaper or map as you drove down the road.

But, you didn't see me, squeeze my wife's leg when she told me to take the next turn.

I saw you, race down the road in the rain.
But, you didn't see me, get soaked to the skin so my son could have the car to go on his date.

I saw you, run the yellow light just to save a few minutes of time.
But, you didn't see me, trying to turn right.

I saw you, cut me off because you needed to be in the lane I was in.
But, you didn't see me, leave the road.

I saw you, waiting impatiently for my friends to pass.
But, you didn't see me. I wasn't there.

I saw you, go home to your family.
But, you didn't see me. Because, I died that day you cut me off.

I was just a biker. A person with friends and a family.
But, you didn't see me.

[CVT]

- provide MC lanes, regardless of engine displacement within the metropolis, not to mention MC specific parking slots in parking lots
- educate all traffic enforcers on road rules and etiquette,in other words, get somebody with brains to run the LTO

.

At the very least, sana itong 2 ang mangyari kaagad....

12.4K:knit:

[Leviticus]

At the very least, sana itong 2 ang mangyari kaagad....

12.4K:knit:

oh.. but they did. the MMDA did it on commenwealth avenue. they proposed:

• a 60 kph maximum speed limit
• motorcycle lane
• bus/jeep lane and loading/unloading only on designated terminals
• video/picture apprehension of those in violation of speeding with the use of radar guns

that was on January 25, 2011.

and what is the end result? :grin2:

• it was found out that a motorcycle lane was not feasible
• 60 kph speed limit was only enforced ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY
• buses and jeeps do not follow loading/unloading because MMDA personnel are (pardon the term) pussies when it comes to apprehension
• the radar gun was only borrowed and had to be returned on the same day

motorcycle lane in metro manila? it won't work because of fly overs, under pass, and u-turn slots. it will only add MORE CHAOS because motorcycle riders are dynamic on their travels, unlike buses with designated routes.

[CVT]

motorcycle lane in metro manila? it won't work because of fly overs, under pass, and u-turn slots. it will only add MORE CHAOS because motorcycle riders are dynamic on their travels, unlike buses with designated routes.

Iyan nga ang matindi,- dynamic, walang lane na sinusunod.....

12.4K:knit:

[Leviticus]

Hi Leviticus and Joned,

Do you have to be very rude?

Ganyan ba talaga mga riders?! Ganyan ba kayo lahat?

Pardon me, but, it's like your posts got more distasteful messages than sense.

You do have an option to ignore me than be boisterous.
Can't you hold yourselves?

Ganyan din ba kayo sa kalsada? I hope not.
Could this be one of the reasons why we should ban underbones in EDSA and C5? (just kidding)



Yung mga nabanggit nyo, mga ideas nyo... sa tingin nyo ba, kayo lang ang nakaisip ng mga yan. Sa tingin nyo ba walang sumubok nyan?



Leviticus, i shared supporting ideas dun sa mga highlighted messages ko, could you read them first before spitting? Paki basa ulit, kasi parang ang layo ng mga sagot mo. Ano yung tungkol sa, ang karamihan - kasi iba yung context sa post ko e? Ikaw, sa tingin mo, kaya mo bang gawin yung mga pinapagawa mo sa mga traffic enforcers; hanggang gaano katagal?
(on your "POSSIBILITY") Minsan nakakaawa din yung iba sa mga traffic enforcers (maaaring hindi lahat); nag-t-trabaho ng matino pilit hahabol sa mga violators, binabastos naman ng marami sa kalsada. My point is, hindi basta-basta nating sasabihin na gawin nila ang lahat, lalo na sa sitwasyon ng traffic sa EDSA at C5.
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showp...&postcount=289
Any suggestions kung paano yung "fix law enforcement"? Yung hindi pa sana nasusubukan dito sa Metro Manila.

first of all.. you started the distasteful post with your slogan of "ban all underbones.." that in itself speaks volumes of what you DON'T know; after which you unsuccessfully try to reinforce it with flimsy reasoning and logic.

second, are you a policeman/traffic enforcer/mmda? you post this: Ikaw, sa tingin mo, kaya mo bang gawin yung mga pinapagawa mo sa mga traffic enforcers; hanggang gaano katagal?

and my answer is: why should I do that? it's NOT MY JOB to apprehend traffic violators. It's their job to do so, and they are not doing it properly-- and what should we do with people who don't perform their jobs properly? they should be fired!

forumers and netizens often compare our country with singapore (like bongbong and now pnoy apparently). me, I like to compare locally. let me repeat what I posted: if there is traffic discipline in clark and subic (and now la trinidad, benguet), why can't there be discipline in EDSA, which is comparatively SMALLER compared to those places mentioned?

simply remove the discriminate/selective apprehension of violators and you will see a big difference. enforce the law, and mean it.

[sgt_taga]

really funny thread.

isa lang masasabi ko...

check your prides. hehehehehe