Son of Palace exec shot dead in QC / Fugitive Jason Ivler captured by NBI

[1997]

Nakakatawa etong thread na toh... away away... hehehe...

[jeDi13]

teka lang, teka lang....

bakit pinapalabas na sinasabi namin mga "speculators" na Victor deserved to be shot? and bakit pinapalabas na sinasabi namin na tama yun ginawa ni Ivler?

meron bang ganun...?

for the record, we condemn yun ginawa ni Ivler.

ang pinaguusapan lang namin is kung bakit nangyari yun incident. no more no less.

so what kung hinde pa namin alam yun buong story? eh di kung alam na natin yun totoong nangyari eh di wala na tayong dapat pagusapan dito..wala ng speculation na mangyayari.

so easy lang mga friends ni Victor and sa mga hinde friends pero daig pa ang friends sa pag defend..

yup, i never read any post that what Ivler did was justifiable because the victim's an arrogant driver, but rather what could have been the reason why Ivler shot the victim..

*jedi13:

Yes, it's illegal to use government vehicles for personal business... but is that the point of the matter? If Vic was illegally downloading movies, would that make him a hotheaded jerk?

nope, not the point at all. but it could be a factor of what really incited the shooting. picture this: government vehicle used, diplomatic vehicle used, the driver G honks his horn, but driver D got pissed off because to him, driver G seems to be implying that he owns the road, but driver D said to himself "hey, i'm driving a diplomatic vehicle, i should also be the priority here", then the rest is history. again, this is just an angle i'm looking at.

It's not nice, but families of politicians use Daddy's or Mommy's car, occasionally... I've known some, and they're actually humble on the road.

Some people, on the other hand, don't have government plates, but drive like total jackasses.

You're assuming that it is possibly within his character to be, based on that fact... but it doesn't follow, I'm afraid. Just like bootleggers are not pedophiles and drug-pushers (they're just advocates of free music, yo... ). Now if he had a history of accidents and traffic altercations, maybe he did do something to piss of Ivler... but nothing has come out regarding this, yet... Again, I'm not saying he didn't pick a fight, but without evidence that this was in his nature, we cannot assume he did.

yup, i would agree that i'm assuming because of the mere fact that i don't know the truth, and i wasn't there when the incident happened. by the way, were you? again, i'm just voicing out my thoughts on this incident. but neither did i say that ivler's shooting of the victim is justifiable because the latter is an arrogant driver.

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And here's where all your speculation is for naught:



He pointed a gun at another motorist for simply blowing his horn.

No insults. No fingers. Nothing. (nothing that the intended victim will admit to, but you get the point) Just a nice fat honk of the horn.

In the suspect's state of mind, apparently... he didn't really require very much incentive to shoot people.

Rabid dogs don't need a reason to bite you. Frat boys don't need a particularly good one to bash you one across the head (I've got the stitches to prove it). And psychos don't need to be confronted with other psychos in order to go psychotic.

is it ALWAYS like this? do psychos shoot at will all the time? i wouldn't say that coz sometimes they get pissed off by what they see, hear, feel, or sense. maybe this is one of those incidents wherein the psycho needs a reason.

again.. and again.. and again, this is just an angle that i'm looking for since the whole story hasn't been known yet.

but who knows really what's going in ivler's mind during that time? i'm not ivler, and i'm not a psycho

[innoBOB[09JmtG]]

If Ivler were here, he'd be in police custody. That's my speculation.

Unfortunately, my speculation is that mawawala na lang bigla tong kaso na to.

Ivler's a druggie? Or is this speculation as well? Good point though, if they manage to apprehend him, pa drug test na rin.

dalin na sa hotel si Ivler! ahaha, makakasuhan tapos makikipag exchange sa ibang bansa na preso!

[Lucius]

Baka ang totoong tatay nito ni Ivler eh ung si Amputaan?

[1997]

Baka ang totoong tatay nito ni Ivler eh ung si Amputaan?

hehehe... kalahi kaya?

[niky]

Ah... but again:

Ivler pointed a gun at a man in a non-government vehicle in an incident right before that one.

Let's review other cases?

Teehankee shot two men who weren't even in a car... got down and confronted them.

The case where a woman was murdered in a cemetery due to traffic. Just an ordinary citizen.

Or again, my personal experience... where a gun-toting hothead boarded a bus due to some imagined offense that all fifty or so passengers on the bus could see didn't happen (a few called the police afterwards to report the incident, since the gunman was presenting himself as a cop ).

None of these was a case of the suspect being pissed as to the class of car the other person was driving. They simply flew into a rage.

Again... paranoia. Many gun-toting hotheads view all other people as potential assailants. Owning a gun is a pro-active type of defense against attacks... if you want to win a fight... you shoot first.

It is with this mindset that these shootings happen... (same thing with cases of "rubouts" )... and the contribution of the victims are often merely to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Granted, the government plate wouldn't have helped, but it wasn't the deciding factor in anything... the shooter's frame of mind was.

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That's why it's such a poor defense. If an assassin really wants you dead, they'll come up behind you and shoot you (as happened to that policeman on the scooter a few months ago). You won't even see them coming. It's only a valid defense against another gun-toting private driver... but how often does that actually happen? In fact... does it ever happen that way?

[praetor91313]

And here's where all your speculation is for naught:

Quote:
Cuya said he blew his horn, which irritated Ivler, who got out of the vehicle and pointed his handgun at the other man. Cuya was then with his wife, sister-in-law, daughter and a niece.
He pointed a gun at another motorist for simply blowing his horn.

No insults. No fingers. Nothing. (nothing that the intended victim will admit to, but you get the point) Just a nice fat honk of the horn.

Oh I wouldn't go so far as to claim that all the other posters' speculations were for naught. What happened between Cuya and Ivler may not have been the case with Victor and Ivler. That's a non sequitur.

I'm open-minded enough to admit that some of the posters' speculations are very interesting and am treating them as such, just speculations. In the end only Ivler could tell us which speculations are correct though.

Keep the comments coming. This is getting to be a very interesting thread.

[buriroy]

Ivler's mother did mention that her son was formerly in the U.S Army and served
in Iraq.

Quite possible that the guy's shellshocked and has transformed into a trigger-happy basket case.

So anything can set him off and the opposite driver's behaviour may have nothing at all to do with it. This is a common occurence among returning soldiers from battlefronts so it's worth some thought.

[oliver1013]

Whatever it is, f%$# Ivler....Let's leave the dead guy alone, he's dead..he may be good or bad(at the time of the incident), he's dead, end of story.

[JackFlash]

Ivler's mother did mention that her son was formerly in the U.S Army and served
in Iraq.

Quite possible that the guy's shellshocked and has transformed into a trigger-happy basket case.

So anything can set him off and the opposite driver's behaviour may have nothing at all to do with it. This is a common occurence among returning soldiers from battlefronts so it's worth some thought.

Let's see. That means he was there sometime between March 20, 2003 (when the US invaded) and 2004. He couldn't have served after '04 because he had a case of homicide in the Phils - the killing of Ponce in a car crash. Unless he was so slick, he got past the US Army recruiters despite his pending case. Maybe this is how his lawyers will explain where he was this whole time, prior to his latest crime. If we believe this, then the Amputaans are angels.