Selling Brand New Montero 400t cheaper than dealer......

[fireblade]

This modus has been around for quite a while. I know of one large dealer who got hit by someone who did this (covering several SUVs and mini SUVs). They shelled out quite a sum to get all the units back from the suspects and the unsuspecting buyers (and this involved getting the help of the authorities).

The funny thing is the bank involved (unfortunately i don't know who) even issued a guarantee for all those vehicles and then cancelled those guarantees right after the cars were released. Chances they discovered it was a syndicate and cut it all immediately. The dealer was left to dry so they had to act fast just to track and get all the vehicles back. They were lucky as they got all the cars back and most had only a few hundred kilometers on them. However the end buyers they got the cars from were not so lucky as they incurred losses and had their cars confiscated. Their only resort is to go after the perpetrators to the crime. The dealer took the financial hit and resold the recovered cars as second hand to recover costs. The units were garaged for several months to undergo some court proceedings and when they were clean already, these were resold by the dealer at a discount (300-400K less than brand new).

Caveat emptor indeed!

Were these Montero units also chief?

[vinj]

Were these Montero units also chief?

Nope. This happened in more than five years ago already and i learned of the real story around two years ago only when i got to talk to one of the dealer principals. The units involved were mostly Xtrails and Patrols.

[pop3corn]

The ladder-based SUV market will drop once those Fortuners and Montero units hit the 2nd hand market. It's called market correction.

Kaya nga i'm shying away from the new chevy trailblazer, bad market timing. The new AuV will be the ladder framed SUV.

And the crossovers will be the new niche product kse nakatikim na ng ladder frame which is masa.

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[jrln]

i was almost a victim of this scam about a month ago.

was searching for used cars, SUVs in particular, and chanced upon a reasonably-priced 2nd hand montero in ayosdito.ph
i contacted the agent and i was offered brand-new cars for 200-400k discounts. he was really pushing for these units instead of the used montero that was posted in his ad.
i said that it was too good to be true. i asked if he had a brand-new montero with him so i can see it. he said that he can accompany me to mindanao avenue where the unit can be found.
i tried to setup about 3 meets with the agent for the 2nd-hand montero with a hint that i might consider the new montero that he was offering as well. in one occasion, he suggested a different date and time. in another, he said the 2nd-hand montero was sold already. another time, he replied too late for me to make any sense out of this agent.
after that, on a sunday, he called earnestly for several times which i already ignored having given up on him as worthy of my trust and money.

and then i see this thread now...whew, i came a bit close to losing a lot!

you can see the agent's post in ayosdito where he posted several cars all at the same date on september 6.

[fireblade]

i was almost a victim of this scam about a month ago.

was searching for used cars, SUVs in particular, and chanced upon a reasonably-priced 2nd hand montero in ayosdito.ph
i contacted the agent and i was offered brand-new cars for 200-400k discounts. he was really pushing for these units instead of the used montero that was posted in his ad.
i said that it was too good to be true. i asked if he had a brand-new montero with him so i can see it. he said that he can accompany me to mindanao avenue where the unit can be found.
i tried to setup about 3 meets with the agent for the 2nd-hand montero with a hint that i might consider the new montero that he was offering as well. in one occasion, he suggested a different date and time. in another, he said the 2nd-hand montero was sold already. another time, he replied too late for me to make any sense out of this agent.
after that, on a sunday, he called earnestly for several times which i already ignored having given up on him as worthy of my trust and money.

and then i see this thread now...whew, i came a bit close to losing a lot!

you can see the agent's post in ayosdito where he posted several cars all at the same date on september 6.

that should be one and the same agent (john earl esteban) i was referring to.

[john-erl]

so sinungaling pala si Billy Mamaril...? If ikaw ung tinawagan ko at nagka murahan pa tayong dalawa over the phone at sinabi mo susugurin mo ako at nung sinabi ko sau full address ko sa condominium at sinabi ko puntahan mo ako at harapin mo ako para kayong dalawa ni Billy mamaril ang kakasuhan ko.... Sana mabasa mo ito ngayon dahil ngayon ko lang nakita ung post ninyo, yes this is John-Erl Esteban.... Ilang beses ko tinaawagan si Mr. Billy Mamaril na kapag hindi nyo ako tinigilan kakasuhan ko kayong dalawa.... At kung scammer ako bakit hindi nyo ako harapin at kasuhan ninyo ako.... Nag iisip ka paba...? Bakit kaya sa banko ko dinala si Mr. Billy at bakit dinala ko sya sa mismong bahay nung owner ng sasakyan at bakit ko sila hinayaan mag-usap dalawa...? Una, kaya ko dinala sa bahay nung contact ko si billy para pag nagkaroon ng abirya alam namin pareho san hahanapin at pupuntahan ung tao.... Pangalawa, bakit sa loob ng bangko ang transaction...? Para meron copy ng CCTV at makita doon kami nagkaroon ng Transaction.... Pangatlo, Bakit ako mismo ang nagsabi kay billy mamaril na wag magdadala ng cash...? At bakit kami nagpa picture ni Billy mamaril kasama father nya dun sa house mismo ng contact ko at kasama pati Montero sa picture...? At bakit naka post sa FB ko picture namin nila billy mamaril at nung may ari....? Next time bago ka magpost or magduda matuto ka munang mag imbestiga at kung dka marunong mag imbestiga sana nagsabi ka sa pulis station or sana kau nalang nila Billy Mamaril ang nagreklamo sa pulis station besides alam nya mismo san pupuntahan ung bahay..... At alam ninyo mismo full name ko at yan din ginagamit ko sa fb ko.... sana maging lesson sa inyo ito, kalalaki nyong tao tsismoso lang ang kaya nyong gawin.... Magpakilala kau at magharap harap tayo sa Korte at ilabas ninyo sino at kung meron ako nilokong tao.... Naghahanap kau ng mura nagrecommend ako ngayon ako pa gagawan nyo ng masama at hindi naman pinilit sa inyo yan....

[john-erl]

Fireblade para sau naman ito, magpakilala ka hindi ung magpopost kau at magtatago sa alyas dito..... To Mr. jrln thank you for posting my full name here... Now ko lang nakita itong post mo... I remember last 2012 or 2013 ba un, dalawa lang kinausap ko noon about sa Brand New Montero (Black color)... Mr. Billy (PBA Player) and Mr. Mike (Contructor) at kung sinasabi mong nakikipag sked ako sau at hindi nagtatagpo ang sked natin dalawa sana pinost mo din ung mga conversation natin kung sino ka man... Nag inquire ka syempre as loyal dealer sa mga client ko lagi ako nag o-offer ng best offer, even na may hawak akong unit hindi ko sinasabi sa kanila na bilhin nila agad un... Kilala ako ng mga naging client ko, besides every time na nakikipag meet up ako sa lahat ng client ko sinasabi ko wala magdadala ng pera at lahat ng transaction is dapat sa banko... Then sinabi ko noon na ung owner mismo na contact ko sa bahay natin sila pupuntahan.... How come sasabihin mo agad dito na scam ako...? Bakit na scam ba kita...? at may napatunayan ka bang na scam ko na client...? At sana sumama ka or sana nagsampa ka ng kaso sakin or sa pulis station.... At kung scam ako bakit ko gagamitin ang full name ko at bakit kahit sa Facebook madali ako ma-search.... Sana tinago ko ung real name ko at bakit hanggang ngayon itong number parin ang ginagamit ko 09053639846.....? Sana mabasa mo ito at maging sampal sau ito.... FYI ako never nanloko sa lahat ng client ko at nakilala nila ako paano ako makipag deal kaya nga may mga referral ako nakukuha sa kanila hindi lang dahil mura ako makipag deal ng sasakyan, dahil alam din nila kung paano ko sila ingatan sa transaction at paano ko ingatan ang sarili ko sa lahat ng nakaka meet kong bagong client... FYI ulit para malaman mo ako ang madalas na niloloko ng naging client ko dati na hindi binibigay ang mga dapat na commission ko at maraming loko lokong client na dumederetso sa mga Seller ko ng car at dahil ang karamihan sa mga naging client ko ay professional kausap sila mismo nagsasabi sakin na meron akong client na dumederetso sa kanila.... Hindi mo pa ako kilala sana nag imbestiga ka muna at kinilala mo akong mabuti.... Kung alam mong scammer ako kasuhan mo ako at hindi ung magpo post ka basta basta tapos dka nagpapakilala... Mahiya ka sana sa sarili mo.... Again this is John-Erl Esteban at hindi ako scammer at wala akong nilokong client....

[kagalingan]

Naku john erl esteban ang hirap basahin ng post mo. Pwede kahit konting paragraph naman

i will be getting a 2011 GLS V this Monday and finally giving up my 2010 Fortuner. when i was shopping for a unit, there is a seller in sulit selling brand new 2012 GLS VGT with insurance for 1050000 only and paid in cash. the catch is that you get the OR and CR only after two months from a sub dealer. a famous PBA player almost bought one but he was also alarmed. as in nasa loob na sila ng bangko at nagbabayaran na. he just let go of his 5k deposit and cancelled the transaction. i asked people in the car trading business and they said its most likely what they call the "talon" scheme. meaning this pseudo sub dealers buy from Mitsu dealers with minimal downpayment and look for quick buyers. they then disappear and it is now your problem to face the bank as they did not pay the balance. very smart, right?

just be careful everyone.


i posted this in the Mitsu thread just to call the attention of more people. According to the agent, the sub dealers place is along Mindanao Avenue and this is where the turnover happens.

So ito post ni fireblade about "talon scheme" hindi ka ba involve dito?

Kung talaga matino ka post ka legitimate id.

[CVT]

Naku john erl esteban ang hirap basahin ng post mo. Pwede kahit konting paragraph naman





So ito post ni fireblade about "talon scheme" hindi ka ba involve dito?

Kung talaga matino ka post ka legitimate id.

Walandyo, after more than 4 years, nabuhay ang thread!!!


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[john-erl]

Walandyo, after more than 4 years, nabuhay ang thread!!!


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sensya na late ko narin nakita kase ito eh.... Nagmessage din ako kay Mr. Billy Mamaril noon na lumantad sila if d nila titigilan paninira sakin kakasuhan ko sila.... Pero never na sya nagreply at never na sya sumasagot sa mga calls ko....

[john-erl]

Walandyo, after more than 4 years, nabuhay ang thread!!!


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Ito sagot ngayon ni Mr. Billy Mamaril kaya i challenge u kung sino ka man nagpost ng name ko dito at naninira sakin magpakilala ka at sampahan mo ako ng kaso....

[mokong22]

Wow telenovela hehe

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[dr. d]

if it is not offered across the casa board, i.e., all the casas offer the discount, i would be suspicious.

[john-erl]

if it is not offered across the casa board, i.e., all the casas offer the discount, i would be suspicious.

Yes sir lahat tau magdududa talaga ehehe.... Pero ung magpost kase ng kasiraan sa isang tao ng walang basis iba usapan un at ung magpost dito ng hindi nagpapakilala malaking kasiraan un lalo na ayaw nya magpakilala at humarap ehehe.... Sensya dinepensahan ko lang sarili ko....

[yebo]

so in defense of yourself can you please answer the question: HOW CAN YOU SELL A BRAND NEW MONTERO SPORT AT 400K BELOW THE CASA PRICE? yan kasi yung tanong na nagbigay ng duda tungkol sa iyo kaya para mapatunayan mo na in good faith ka dapat masagot mo yan. if you can't give us a plausible explanation how this can be done then the accusation against you will still retain its weight. just asking lang i am not the one who started this thread.

[yebo]

and after you give us an answer maybe we can start a poll if your explanation is possible or not.

[john-erl]

so in defense of yourself can you please answer the question: HOW CAN YOU SELL A BRAND NEW MONTERO SPORT AT 400K BELOW THE CASA PRICE? yan kasi yung tanong na nagbigay ng duda tungkol sa iyo kaya para mapatunayan mo na in good faith ka dapat masagot mo yan. if you can't give us a plausible explanation how this can be done then the accusation against you will still retain its weight. just asking lang i am not the one who started this thread.

Almost 5yrs na yan brad.... Ang scammer hindi nagpapakilala at pabago bago ang ng name at number.... Search my fullname sa google, facebook, etc... John-Erl Esteban and my number is 09053639846.... Kaya nga i challenge kung sino nag post or kung ikaw mismo may duda ka edi kasuhan mo ako or magkita tau sa camp crame hindi yung magpo post lang basta basta at ikaw naman obvious na one sided ka lang.... Gusto mo sagutin ko yan kasuhan mo ako para makuha mo sagot ko....

[glenn manikis]

he still won't say anything in court, for fear that anything he says may and will be used against him.
it's up to someone else, to prove him guilty without his cooperation.

so in defense of yourself can you please answer the question: HOW CAN YOU SELL A BRAND NEW MONTERO SPORT AT 400K BELOW THE CASA PRICE? yan kasi yung tanong na nagbigay ng duda tungkol sa iyo kaya para mapatunayan mo na in good faith ka dapat masagot mo yan. if you can't give us a plausible explanation how this can be done then the accusation against you will still retain its weight. just asking lang i am not the one who started this thread.

AFAIK not referring to someone here have. .

I was also offered a Monty a land cruiser, a Camaro, and a Lamborghini at huge discounts.... I was about to get the LC200 kaso Nga lang walang available.. ang meron lang Yung BULLET proof na 2016 LC200... The modus or diskarte is... the unit will come from customs.... vehicles that lack documents or papers for released amd cosidered abandoned and already forfeited in favor of the government.... these also includes Goods like generators, TV, cellphones, etc. UNITS will be secretly taken out of customs at midnight and registered sa LTO... and the seller will pay the customs duties and taxes.. Para ma register Nila said LTO. Actually Hindi less 400k ang TOTL na Monty you can haggle it up to less than 900k coz customs taxes lang naman puhunan Nila Dyan. .. I already asked my HPG friend if it is possible... he said yes... the seller will also advice you to sell your unit after 3 years... Para Lumabas out of warranty na din...

LC200 nasal 1.9M lang

Monty GT 1M
Monty low end 700k
Lamborghini 16M?

Technically.... Legal naman Lahat papeles Nyan... why? Customs duties and taxes paid, LTO registered, b new, and Hindi naman carnap or rent sanla galing... and NO record whatsoever sa HPG or LTO Kasi Nga technically bagong dating ito sa Pinas at wala pang record kahit casa...

[jut703]

Yes sir lahat tau magdududa talaga ehehe.... Pero ung magpost kase ng kasiraan sa isang tao ng walang basis iba usapan un at ung magpost dito ng hindi nagpapakilala malaking kasiraan un lalo na ayaw nya magpakilala at humarap ehehe.... Sensya dinepensahan ko lang sarili ko....

First, learn how to post in a readable manner. Your posts make my eyes hurt. Learn how to use pargraphs, avoid using ellipses after every sentence, spell out words completely.

Otherwise, I'll ban you from this forum and you won't have a chance to "clear your name".

Second, the other forumers here have raised a very valid point - How are you able to sell a Montero at 400k less than SRP?

Give us a logical and truthful answer and I'll let you stay on the board. Otherwise, you're no different from all other scammers that have come and gone.

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[dr. d]

in defense to john erl, he did say he talked to someones about the monty. but he did not say he was selling it at the huge discount mentioned here.
and if he did not admit he was john earl, no one here would have known him from adam.
but this thread has been dormant for over four years. why did erl himself, resurrect it now? he even went out of his way to register as a tsikoteer, just last month...