rant: EDSA-SLEX / EDSA-ROXAS on-ramps

[michael677]

who would happen to know who is responsible for managing this vital EDSA fly-over??? is it the mmda, makati gov, or the SLEX mgmt? because they are a bunch of stupidos!!!!

the on-ramps im referring to is the one approaching pasong tamo when you come from ayala/cubao that suddenly splits into two without adequate directional signs.

first time motorists would certainly get lost choosing the right fly-over because of the absence of freakin' signs! i know there are huge signboards that informs ROXAS/BACLARAN (this lane), ALBANG/MANIlA (this lane) but they are situated 1 km away!!!... near the elevated Ayala MRT Station!!!! and add to that, you couldn't see very well the center island because there are no reflectorized V-shaped markers that signifies that the road will split into two and the island itself is only 1 to 2ft high. just imagine if a bus or a truck suddenly gets stucked on that island!

if i remember, this was the case even 10 years back!! it was still better then because there were functioning street lights on those fly-overs

[istan]

Nahuli ka ser, swerving noh?
Hula ko lng ha...

Pero yeah, pass there everyday. Daming nahuhuling swerving jan. Pagbus, padadaanin pag swerving...pero paggayahin mo ang bus...ikaw ang huhulihin.

[non-vtec]

muntik ko na rin matamaan yung center island na yan. buti mabagal lang ang takbo ko.

ang labo din nung signs. nakaka-confuse pag di mo kabisado yung lugar.

[bender]

I had the same problem the first time i used the same flyovers near pasong tamo. The problem is that there are no signs on the entry ramp of both flyovers which makes choosing the right flyover confusing. I had to do it through trial and error.

[chris_d]

I've seen quite a few vehicles get stuck on the center island that divides the lanes going to SLEX and Baclaran. Madilim dyan pag gabi, walang mga ilaw.

[Automahn]

Sadya atang walang sign para malito at magswerving ang mga motorista at may makotongan sila. Muntik na rin akong mahuli diyan. Papunta akong Alabang, may nauuna sa kin na Cefiro, pareho kaming nasa lane na paakyat ng flyover patungong Pasay. Lumipat yung Cefiro dun sa lane na paakyat naman sa flyover going to the SLEX, ayun 4 na MMDA kagad ang humarang sa kanya. Nung nakita kong ganun, dinerecho ko na lang yung EDSA sabay kanan sa Evangelista tapos lusot na lang sa sidestreet tapos SLEX na.

[michael677]

Nahuli ka ser, swerving noh?
Hula ko lng ha...

ah hndi pa ako nahuli dyan. Pero nangyari na un nagkamali ako ng flyover. imbis na makaabot ako ng SLEX, pumuwesto ako sa left lanes--- yun pala papuntang Roxas/Baclaran un! so, also not familiar with that place, dinulo ko nalng hanggang Roxas and then Quirino... dulo ulit.. hanggang Osmena hiway and finally --- SLEX.

but ngayon, i regularly use those EDSA on-ramps to go to SLEX or back to manila so hndi na ako nalilito. i just feel sad for our fellow motorists and the country.

[mazdamazda]

first time motorists would certainly get lost choosing the right fly-over because of the absence of freakin' signs! i know there are huge signboards that informs ROXAS/BACLARAN (this lane), ALBANG/MANIlA (this lane) but they are situated 1 km away!!!... near the elevated Ayala MRT Station!!!!(

Errr...

You said there was an absence of signs but you also said that there were signs 1km away.

Which is which?

Those signs coming off the Ayala underpass already already enough to guide you to which lane you should be in. During the first time that I passed through that area while drivng (which was YEARS ago) I wasn't really confused with the signs.

[e2fee]

You said there was an absence of signs but you also said that there were signs 1km away.

Which is which?

Those signs coming off the Ayala underpass already already enough to guide you to which lane you should be in. During the first time that I passed through that area while drivng (which was YEARS ago) I wasn't really confused with the signs.

Obviously, the original poster meant that there is an absence of signs close to the fork, as opposed to far away. One sign far away may be enough for the x percent of the population, which you apparently belong to, who have relatively longer memories or are more tolerant/forgiving of the inadequacies of Philippine signage or are already familiar with that fork. But I don't think x is satisfactory (high enough), otherwise we wouldn't be hearing so many 'swerving' cases.

Is the money earned from the 'swerving' fines going to putting up a sign? Or will they keep that fork sign-free so that they can continue earning 'swerving' fines?

The lack of sign at the fork (that one, and in general) is quite glaring/disconcerting to those used to driving in other countries where there are usually at least two and often three signs, from far away to just right before.

I have not been caught 'swerving' at that fork, although I know others who have. I also do not recall the far away sign. If it is there, clearly it is too far away for me. The way I have gotten through that fork without 'swerving' is to go very, very slowly. How could you be accused of 'swerving' when you are going at say 5 kph and maybe occupying two lanes, undecided. (Assuming there are lane markers.) Another small example of how a systemic failure causes individual behavior that contributes to systemic inefficiency.

[mazdamazda]

Obviously, the original poster meant that there is an absence of signs close to the fork, as opposed to far away. One sign far away may be enough for the x percent of the population, which you apparently belong to, who have relatively longer memories or are more tolerant/forgiving of the inadequacies of Philippine signage or are already familiar with that fork. But x is not high enough for comfort, otherwise there wouldn't be so many 'swerving' cases.

Err...

As I recall... there is another sign near the bus stops and another sign in the flyovers themselves.

I'll take some picture of those signs.

[rsnald]

whether there are signs 1 km away or signs on the flyovers or bus stops themselves... the fact is...maraming nagkakamali dyan sa lugar na yan. I'd admit ako nahuli na din ako dyan when I had to fetch someone from NAIA and forgot which lane was going to Tramo etc. nakakalito talga if you don't pass that lane often. and the fact na ginagawang cottage industry ng mga hinayupak ng MMDA yan... eh there must be something wrong with the positioning of the signages. I remember reading somewhere that improperly placed traffic signages should not be a cause for a traffic violation apprehension if the signage themselves do not encourage proper traffic flow, one classic example are no left turn signs that are hidden from view of the oncoming traffic. karamihan ng nahuhuli dyan..nagswe-swerve because they're forced to since they realize at a relatively late stage of their approach to the flyover that they're on the wrong lane. iba naman yung nagswe-swerve ka dahil sa trip mo lang or gusto mo lang mang cut.

simple engineering sense lang yan. put the signs where it matters. hindi yung gagawin mong trap yung paglalagay ng traffic signs.

[Bravoexo]

I don't know... the signs there seems pretty straight forward to me. Bihira din akong dumaan dyan (on lately dahil sa Mall of Asia and airport duties lang).

[astinagt]

nagkamali na rin ako ng pasok dito...mali talaga yung position ng sign nila.. and many motorist think that the leftmost ramp and papuntang SLEX ....napunta ko ng pasay.. anyway theres always a first time....

[michael677]

Err...

As I recall... there is another sign near the bus stops and another sign in the flyovers themselves.

I'll take some picture of those signs.

Oh, pls do if u can take caution...

[astinagt]

guys .. in relation to this ramp.. yung perpendicular ramp dito from SSHW - QUIRINO ... medyo may pagka-steep yung ramp at walang lights... many times maraming nahuhulog galing sa mga trucks na basura, hollow blocks, gulong, etc. marami na rin naaksidente dito sa pagiwas sa mga nahulog na bagay dito..
ngayon pinapaganda ni binay yung ilalim ng magallanes interchanged...sana isama na rin nya yung mismong interchanged...