If gas savers don't work what are authorities doing about them?

[gearhead]

Isn't it a form of duping the public by stating facts that aren't true. Capitalizing on their "need"? What should the government do to protect the public? What should we do for that matter?

[russpogi]

Nothing. Eh karamihan naman ng "authorities" na yan eh walang alam tungkol sa mga "gas-saving" devices na yan eh! :fire:

[Lucius]

If these gadgets really save gas, oh di sana lahat binili na yan ng mga automakers. Mas mahirap may kalaban sa technology. Parang ung car na running on water, binili yata ng shell yun or isang automaker. Kwento lang nung prof ko.

[kinyo]

they are given awards ... remember that venturi thingy installed at exhaust pipe? hahahaha

[torque2006]

actually, there's been no comprehensive testing done by the government over these "gas savers". which means they can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that the gas-saving device manufacturers are conning its customers.

i guess it would fall under "caveat emptor": let the buyer beware.

but yes, i still don't believe this stuff they're saying. we've tested a few, and believe me, it just upset the engine more.


regarding dingel's case, the supposed inventor of the vehicle that runs on water. his idea is that the hydrogen in the water can be burned as fuel for the vehicle. water as we all know, is abundant, and inert, making it the best "fuel" for vehicles. several automakers have tested hydrogen vehicles, but everyone's problem seems to be where to source pure hydrogen, and how to store it safely.

The idea is correct in theory. However, it would take more energy to separate hydrogen from H20, which defeats the purpose altogether. (and that's why hydrogen vehicle technology is in a standstill).

DOST has done extensive laboratory testing on the said vehicle (it was published a few years ago on The Philippine Star) and if i remember it right, the exhaust was measured to have carbon content, meaning there is combustion from organic matter involved to run the vehicle.

I've even had a chance to interview the head of the Philippine Inventors Society, and from him I learned that they've kicked out Dingel because his vehicle-running-on-water invention is a hoax. How did they prove it? One of their fellow inventors had his van converted to Dingel's invention, which in the end destroyed the engine altogether.

People said a Japanese car manufacturer bought the invention, others say Shell did. Others say it was a german automaker, or a taiwanese lab.I think all these rumors were spread by Dingel's camp.

[ogpro]

Anybody here seen the movie on electric cars?

"Who Killed The Electric Car?"

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search

[gearhead]

they are given awards ... remember that venturi thingy installed at exhaust pipe? hahahaha

And don't awards actually give them false "credibility". who comes up with these awards anyway and do they not have a governing body? Doesn't this fall under DTI territory?

Or do they "buy" the awards? Maybe the "awards" should be put under scrutiny/

[ghosthunter]

If you observed a fuel economy gadget testing by the DOE/DOST, you won't be surprised why such gadgets get "awards" and "government certifications".

[gearhead]

If you observed a fuel economy gadget testing by the DOE/DOST, you won't be surprised why such gadgets get "awards" and "government certifications".

ika nga - brain drain nga talaga ba sa scientific community natin?

[gearhead]

If you observed a fuel economy gadget testing by the DOE/DOST, you won't be surprised why such gadgets get "awards" and "government certifications".

maganda din pala kung may local mythbusters? o send nyo sa actual mythbusters.

[niky]

As long as there's truth in advertising, nothing the government can do about it.

Remember the Super Tubo... errh... Turbo Charger?

"up to 10% fuel savings..."

In other words... 0% fuel savings count... as in 0% up to 10%.

They don't guarantee 10%.

Which is a convenient excuse not to go after them. The US government has the same problem with fuel savers over there. Some are even more blatant about it... 0-10 additional hp... bull-fragging-sh*t.

[ghosthunter]

I was at a carshop with a dyno (having something fixed in my car) when the DOE & DOST people came in to have a new fuel saving gadget tested. (hey niky, you missed the circus! hehehe)

While they were doing and observing the testing, I just kept my mouth shut (I felt I could get lynched by the gadget inventor and his supporters). In the end, my conclusion of the test results as "inconclusive of any gains of power". Unfortunately the people from the DOE/DOST and inventor saw what they wanted to see.

Then after lunch, they left for the "fuel economy" test. It was a two lap test along the NLEX. One lap without the gadget and the second, with the gadget active. I just rolled my eyes as I heard their method of testing for fuel economy.

[ghosthunter]

ika nga - brain drain nga talaga ba sa scientific community natin?

Sometimes it is just a matter of the lack of proper scientific methods of testing.

[ghosthunter]

maganda din pala kung may local mythbusters? o send nyo sa actual mythbusters.

Unfortunately such a local venture has to be financed by someone. In the end, it will still be biased since our commercial and entertainment industry is so linked and tied up with each other.

[niky]

Hahaha... what did the boys have to say?... I can just imagine Sid's face now...

[off-topic]: I'm short on money, but I'm gong to go have my shocks shimmed or slapped with some spacers this weekend... my new tires are rubbing a bit (when I corner over 1g... ) because my off-set is all wrong. But before that, I'm a-gonna go back to solid rubber engine mounts... I'm still waiting to... errh... gauge against your new pet, but a run at 8.9 to 100 km/h has finally convinced me to change my execrable engine mounts for some stiffer stuff... too.much.wheel-hop!!! [/off-topic]

What the DOE really needs is an EFI engine with a full set of emissions equipment and vacuum fittings on a platform in a temperature controlled room running at steady rpms... but then, we knew that already, right?

[gearhead]

I was at a carshop with a dyno (having something fixed in my car) when the DOE & DOST people came in to have a new fuel saving gadget tested. (hey niky, you missed the circus! hehehe)

While they were doing and observing the testing, I just kept my mouth shut (I felt I could get lynched by the gadget inventor and his supporters). In the end, my conclusion of the test results as "inconclusive of any gains of power". Unfortunately the people from the DOE/DOST and inventor saw what they wanted to see.

Then after lunch, they left for the "fuel economy" test. It was a two lap test along the NLEX. One lap without the gadget and the second, with the gadget active. I just rolled my eyes as I heard their method of testing for fuel economy.

Ah where was your video cam when you needed it? could've embedded it here too. Now if only "filthy voyeur" had lent you his for that momentous vid opp. But I heard he was busy at the mall escalator.

[ghosthunter]

Ah where was your video cam when you needed it? could've embedded it here too. Now if only "filthy voyeur" had lent you his for that momentous vid opp. But I heard he was busy at the mall escalator.

I was able to slip a couple of camera-phone pics of the device installed but not much beyond that. I had a N80 so I could had recorded an hour's worth. But I would have been too conspicuous if I was "filming" the entire event for tsikot.com prosperity.

[ghosthunter]

Hahaha... what did the boys have to say?... I can just imagine Sid's face now...

Sids arrived after the circus left town (literally).

[off-topic]: I'm short on money, but I'm gong to go have my shocks shimmed or slapped with some spacers this weekend... my new tires are rubbing a bit (when I corner over 1g... ) because my off-set is all wrong. But before that, I'm a-gonna go back to solid rubber engine mounts... I'm still waiting to... errh... gauge against your new pet, but a run at 8.9 to 100 km/h has finally convinced me to change my execrable engine mounts for some stiffer stuff... too.much.wheel-hop!!! [/off-topic]

I think your car would be a bit faster than mine since I opted for some "street" tires when I got new wheels. I am thinking of at least swapping the front pair to something stickier though. Currently, my car's in the shop. They trying to sort out my speedo problem.

BTW, 8.9secs to 100kph. My old B13 Sentra 1.6 all-motor does 8.8 secs to 100kph. :D I have no idea with my B14 though. Anyway, once the car's fixed, I could get some numbers via my trusty G-Tech Pro meter.

What the DOE really needs is an EFI engine with a full set of emissions equipment and vacuum fittings on a platform in a temperature controlled room running at steady rpms... but then, we knew that already, right?

A good condition surplus engine with complete fittings with an engine dyno attached would have been a good start.

[niky]

[OT continued]: yes, the suckage of this car's weight and transmission continue to astound me. When I first got it, I kinda felt that my automatic SR20 was faster... ...oh well, it's still a better cornering car. Damn those built GAs! But the B13 is a much lighter car, and I reckon your all-motor set-up was putting as much to the ground as mine did, stock. I'm still practicing, though. The Focus event reminded me how much I suck at launching. With fresh motor mounts (mine are very soft replacements), I should get 8 flat.[/OT Off]

Hehe... if Sid was there for the test, there might have been a brawl... I can imagine him laughing and laughing...