F****** Doctor

[moe]

doc otep, a bit OT. i love that series, scrubs. indeed, a way to remind everyone that there's fun in medicine.

[lolo pepe]

i'm serious, guys. just PM me.

[Galactus]

and who is demonizing the doctor? who is crucifying her? i'd still take the situation in black and white anyday. nobody said she's a robot, an aumaton, or an autobot or decepticon for that matter. but still, her actions spoke for themselves. i have done nasty things due to mood swings or such but i expect no one to come to my rescue and justify my actions. that is what i'm pointing at and that is what i would have wanted you to see. unfortunately, that is not how the world works. one time i delivered a lecture to a group of college students. that day i had an extremely traumatic experience. man, that was a BAD day. i took it out on my students and lambasted them and then walked out of my class. i tried to rationalize what i'd done but at the end of the day i knew i was the one at fault. the next meeting, i offered an apology to the class and they could hardly believe it since teachers don't ordinarily do that. that's what i'm saying. we can always rationalize that it's one of those days, we were having a bad day, **** happened earlier and then rinse our hands. it is hard to accept our shortcomings.

Who's demonizing and/or crucifying the doctor??? Pls. read the posts from page 1 for crying out loud! She is (I presume), somebody else's wife, and if her husband were a Tsikoteer reading this thread, how do you think he'd feel? Foul talaga yung ibang comments. Again, I implore you, read the posts again, starting from page 1, to know the answer to your question.

Her side wasn't presented, who knows what was going on in her mind when she acted the way she did? And what's wrong with somebody, a colleague, coming to your rescue, especially when she can't address the issue herself? Do you have proof she asked that somebody to defend her actions?? And does somebody really know the way how the world works?? Now if somebody doesn't want to rescue you, thats your problem.

Simple lang naman yan eh. She blew up for what she perceived as an infringment to policy. Kung sa tingin nya, walang naging violation dun, eh hindi naman siguro siya magre-react ng ganun. Natural lang siguro na magalit. We see those things everyday. But does that necessarily mean that the person is an uncivilized slob?

The point I'm getting at is its perfectly alright to vent out once in a while. That only proves we're human. The reasons for her outburst have already been enumerated by smooth. I think moves are now underway to settle everything. So we should all stop criticizing the ER doctor for her single transgression.

[moe]

still don't get it do you? and i'm sensing a pattern here. you are entitled to your own opinions but don't over assume things. who said that she asked someone to defend her? aren't we getting too far ahead of ourselves? and why do i feel as if you're getting a tad bit defensive here? or offensive? hehe. feels like i've struck a nerve yet again. and galactus, i've read a lot of your posts to know that this is the way you react in certain situations. if you think that's cool, then i can't do anything about it. and yes, i've read the posts and those were their opinions. some might have been crass, but that's their problem. i'm speaking for myself and i am not judging her nor crucifying her in anyway. what i'm reacting to is the situation and what transpired. over assumptions, to me, are simply unnecessary, if you know what i mean. but then again, maybe you don't. your query on the appropriateness of a colleague coming to the rescue needs no detailed response. know the whole story before offering excuses and reasons. justifications always come in handy, that i know. yet it takes an objective person to realize that a wrong act was done. again i am not judging anyone and it IS possible that she was having a really bad day but that doesn't JUSTIFY her actions. did i say that she was a bad person? NO. did i say that she's evil? no. did i say that she's a slob? NO. did i say that what she did was wrong? Yes. According to whose standards? Mine.
It scares me though to think that people subscribe to certain logic where people are forgiven and allowed to get away with costly mistakes due to human nature. A man stabbed another man while they were drinking. He's not a bad man, he's a saint just having a bad day. A policeman accepted bribes by the thousand. He's a good man really, just has a large family to feed. These people are entitled to these acts because they're human, mere mortals. Indeed. If you believe that it is alright to "vent out once in a while because we are humans" then that's just sad. i believe we should be mindful of our actions moreso if we are public figures/officials. with power comes responsibility. when we begin to hide behind the veils of human frailty then it becomes second nature to shirk responsibility for demeaning actions. that's my take on things and no one is forcing you (or anyone for that matter) to accept what i said.

[Galactus]

No use wasting my time on you. Apparently, you like to flame bait. Mukhang hindi mo yata makuha. Why make a comnparison between a crime (stabbing) and a simple shouting incident?? Maghanap ka na lang ng ibang gustong makipag-debate sa iyo. Dun ka na lang sa mga estudyante mo. Don't waste your time psychoanalyzing me. (Ikaw rin ba si ///MPower? hehehe).

And no, I'm not related to any of the protagonists here. I personally don't know Otep, Smooth or any tsikoteer here. But I don't think its fair ganging up on a pregnant lady and calling her a b*tch or menopausal for shouting, among other things. Some here are just so judgmental.

[moe]

Flame bait? wow. i do hope you know what that means. and no one is forcing you to read my posts seeing that it has caused you a great deal of stress already. as i said, i can't force anyone to see my point of view. i am not psychoanalyzing anyone nor do i plan to but if i made you feel that way... i am not mpower, but as i recall, you and him were engaged in a verbal tussle of sorts in another thread. is that how you really operate? if you failed to see my logic on my earlier post, then so be it. "Mukhang hindi mo yata makuha" implies that you want me to subscribe to your way of thinking. Dude, this is a free country, and people will always have differeing opinions. that's the beauty of a free nation. now if you think that somebody's out for an argument or debate simply because he doesn't agree with what you say, then that's sad. i'm no flame baiter nor do i intend to develop into one. all i can share are my insights and those who want to read them may do so. if you can't stomach them then move on.

[OTEP]

Guys cool it. Smile naman tayo diyan. We are a community. No need to get divided over this. The thread has really helped me get over the bad feelings I got after I got a taste of that doc's rudeness. Thanks to the varied personalities, views, and insights of the Tsikoteers.

Now, if we blame her being human/mortal/whatever as the reason for her being rude, then I can probably blame the same things as to why I got pissed in the first place.

Fair enough?

[OTEP]

i would give the lady doctor the benefit of the doubt. i would rather think that she had mood swings during that time that doc otep was there in her ER. would somebody (....paging wietap_md...) bring the lady doctor and doc otep together to kiss and make up (no offense to the lady doctor's husband!)?

sagot ko na ang meryenda for the whole PGH ER staff plus doc otep's ambulance crew. plus 1 dozen of baby diapers for the lady doctor's baby. just PM me.

lolo_pepe at your service (frustrated doctor - specialty OB GYNE)

lolo, alalang-alang sa iyo [at sa merienda], my lips are puckered-up already . Biro lang po. Ok lang kahit walang merienda. Hindi naman ako pala away at pala tanim ng galit [kaya nga dito ko na lang pinost kaysa nakipag-sigawan pa ko o ano pa man]. Siguro huwag na lang niya gawin sa ibang tao. As I've said, I'm still looking at the incident as an isolated situation.

Yung cheeseburger pakidagdagan ng ketchup.

[cammer]

To Lady doctor, smooth and otep. Lahat kayo noble ang trabaho niyo, kudos!

[pup2]

To Lady doctor, smooth and otep. Lahat kayo noble ang trabaho niyo, kudos!

I agree. If only foir the fact that they didn't take up nursing, make like a tree, and split.

[MAXBUWAYA]

To Lady doctor, smooth and otep. Lahat kayo noble ang trabaho niyo, kudos!

Konti na lang din ang "Noble" doctors from my experience, dami ding Doctorss na peperahan ka. Parang mga car mechanic.

[smooth]

Konti na lang din ang "Noble" doctors from my experience, dami ding Doctorss na peperahan ka. Parang mga car mechanic.

i have to say that as in any industry or profession, rotten eggs will always exist. but i must say that they are the exception rather than the rule.

konting plugging (pagbigyan na ninyo ako) as far as i know, wala pa akong na-e-encounter na graduate ng pgh na peperahan ang pasyente niya. always, welfare ng pasyente muna. minsan pa nga at the expense of pakikipag-away sa kapwa duktor

tingnan lang ninyo ang doctors' parking lot ng pgh. bihira kayo makakakita ng luxury car. kung meron man, malamang dati ng mayaman ang pamilya ng duktor na yan.

[AnuVaYan]

medyo OT

suki kami ng pgh opd. mababait naman mga doktor dun, mas nakakapikon yung mga nagpapa pila, nagtatawag ng pasyente. sila kasi yung magugulo dun e, minsan naiiba yung order ng pag pasa ng priority list, basta hindi na nagiging first come first served magulo ang sistema nagkakaroon ng singitan kaya nagiinit ulo ng mga tao, madami pa naman dun mga kagaya ng family ko na galing pa ng probinsya, madaling araw pa lang naka pila na tapos magugulo yung list. actually minsan nga hindi malaman kung list ba o line ang susundin.

minsan nga kwento ng father ko, yung isang alalay ng pasyente sobrang napikon dun sa tagatawag e, sinapak na saka minura. hindi ko na matandaan kung ano exactly nangyari doon, pero it has something to do with the priority list din.

[smooth]

medyo OT

suki kami ng pgh opd. mababait naman mga doktor dun, mas nakakapikon yung mga nagpapa pila, nagtatawag ng pasyente. sila kasi yung magugulo dun e, minsan naiiba yung order ng pag pasa ng priority list, basta hindi na nagiging first come first served magulo ang sistema nagkakaroon ng singitan kaya nagiinit ulo ng mga tao, madami pa naman dun mga kagaya ng family ko na galing pa ng probinsya, madaling araw pa lang naka pila na tapos magugulo yung list. actually minsan nga hindi malaman kung list ba o line ang susundin.

minsan nga kwento ng father ko, yung isang alalay ng pasyente sobrang napikon dun sa tagatawag e, sinapak na saka minura. hindi ko na matandaan kung ano exactly nangyari doon, pero it has something to do with the priority list din.

yes magulo nga sa opd. yung iba 5am pa lang nakapila na. and yes, medyo magulo ang priority-priority list dyan. we are actually in the process of fixing it. we're planning a more systematic computerized system. the hardest part lang is adopting into the new system. mahirap baguhin ang nakasanayang workflow. its like trying to push against a tsunami.

btw, that building was donated by the japanese. kung nakapasok ka sa OR, magugulat ka. ang ganda. lagpas 15 years old na ang building pero state of the art pa din ang mga facilities. ganun kagaling ang mga japanese.

kung may complaints kayo sa OR (OPD or main building) feel free to post it here. subukan kong may magawa tayo.

[Syuryuken]

Baka naman pwedeng baguhin yung thread title

[mayhem]

most probably toxic si lady doc during that time doc otep.. or either nakailang code blue na sya during the time ng endorsement nyo considering na breathing compromised yung patient nyo doc,hehehe.. baka nga naman magrespiratory arrest..LOL!

[AnuVaYan]

yes magulo nga sa opd. yung iba 5am pa lang nakapila na. and yes, medyo magulo ang priority-priority list dyan. we are actually in the process of fixing it. we're planning a more systematic computerized system. the hardest part lang is adopting into the new system. mahirap baguhin ang nakasanayang workflow. its like trying to push against a tsunami.

sana nga po maayos na. nakakadagdag ng stress on both sides kapag magulo ang sistema.

kasama kami dyan sa mga 5am pa lang naka pila na, kasi kapag dumating ka ng 7am, most probably hindi ka na matawag within the day kasi haba na ng pila. matindi pa dyan, bawal magpasok ng pagkain, so kahit hindi kailangan ng fasting, e ganun na din ang nangyayari. yung mother ko doble fasting nga nangyari sa kanya e, kasi sabi after dinner wag na siya kumain, kung tama ang pagka alala ko for ct scan yun. anyway, 3pm na siya natapos, so ganun katagal walang kainan.

sa next na punta niya mri naman fasting na naman yata.

[smooth]

sana nga po maayos na. nakakadagdag ng stress on both sides kapag magulo ang sistema.

kasama kami dyan sa mga 5am pa lang naka pila na, kasi kapag dumating ka ng 7am, most probably hindi ka na matawag within the day kasi haba na ng pila. matindi pa dyan, bawal magpasok ng pagkain, so kahit hindi kailangan ng fasting, e ganun na din ang nangyayari. yung mother ko doble fasting nga nangyari sa kanya e, kasi sabi after dinner wag na siya kumain, kung tama ang pagka alala ko for ct scan yun. anyway, 3pm na siya natapos, so ganun katagal walang kainan.

sa next na punta niya mri naman fasting na naman yata.

i feel for you. matagal nang issue yang hindi pwede ipasok ang pagkain ng mga pasyente. the opd is concerned about vermin infestation kasi. pero problema namin ay kawawa naman yung mga pasyente, lalo na ang mga diabetic na hindi pwede na matagal ang fasting. what some people do is have somebody stand in line for the patient in the opd, tapos yung pasyente nasa labas para pwede kumain.

honestly kung meron kayong suggestion that works, i'll take it up with the opd director. i can't promise results (sorry) pero tingnan natin kung anong magagawa. nothing wrong with trying.

[incus]

sabi nga charge it to experience,
di lang naman sa pgh nangyayari to... na-experience ko din to sa napakalaking ospital sa QC at sa bigating ospital sa Makati... ang masaya pa, batch mate ko un sa QC at school mate (lower batch) un sa Makati...

[H1Tman]

this is one proof that tsikot works!

lahat pwedeng pag-usapan.