"Cagers and Riders Friendly Coexistence" Thread

[O!lman]

Dito ako naiinis sa umaga pag papasok sa office or kahit na uuwi na ako...siguro ako lang makakapansin kasi taga south ako...sa sucat road po ito,grabe feeling astig pa kamo...pag bubusinahan mo, mumurahin ka pa!!!! bakit ginawa ba ang mga main road para sa kanila?pasencya na po kung rude ako..nakakainis lang talaga...

pls don't generalize all bikers like that..Hindi lang po Bikers ang mga loko-loko sa kalye... marami din pong Ogags na naka-kotse! Motorcycles or cars...parepareho tayong nagbabayad ng registration at road tax...kaya magbigayan na lang tayo sa kalye! Peace

I'm a bigbike enthusiast also like others here in Tsikot and recently joined a MC club. Marami talagang astig na members(judge,Police and military officers, parish priests, eng'rs, businessman, market vendors, OFW) pero di nila pinagmamayabang at wlang discrimination... mahirap o mayaman pwede mag-join sa group namin basta susunod sa by-laws ng grupo..

Sa mahal kasi ng petroleum products ngayon kaya naglipana ang mga MC sa kalye plus the cheap china bikes flooding our market.



Drive Safely na lang tayo at magbigayan sa kalye...

[morrissey_05]

i'm sorry but i have to agree with centum. not all bikers are like that. the bikers community is trying to promote riding safely and responsibly. unfortunately, marami rin mga gagong bikers. its an uphill battle. again, hindi lahat at dapat wag lahatin.

pareho lang dba? marami ring gagong drivers. i meet a lot on the road, whether on my bike or behind the wheel. i'm sure all of you have, dont tell me hindi. in both cases, it cuts across all economic lines. and i think the same could also be said about driver education, its also an uphill battle.

since i started riding a bike, my attitude now is when i am driving my car and there are bikes around me, i just let them go ahead. no harm done anyway.

sana magbago na ang attitude na ganito, it doesnt work to foster hate towards a particular sector of the riding/driving public. all the more if we include generalizations, whether unfounded or not, about this sector. it will only foster more animosity on the roads when lamig ng ulo ang dapat umiral.

lets share the roads bec we all paid for it. lets all ride/drive responsibly.


ps: believe it or not, i feel i became a better driver after doing time on the saddle.

[Wolver888]

Yep, hindi rin sana lahatin dahil marami rin mga riders na may safety awareness at may tamang asal sa kalye.

Dito na nga lang sa amin, sa motorcycle club namin, marami din kaming sumusunod sa defensive riding at road courtesy .... pero meron din barubal sa kalye na member sa club namin ... nagkalat din ang mga individual riders na feeling nasa race track sila.

Kung gamit ko cage ko, nakaka enkwentro din ako ng mga cage drivers na akala mo nasa racing circuit sila. Minsan sa siksikan na trapik pasalamat sya nde nakakabit bullbar ko, ang sarap pag nakamali sya ng singit.

Mountain biker at Road biker din ako, marami din sa grupo namin ang marunong sa road courtesy, may mga ilan ilan din na feeling importante sila sa daan.



Sana lang po, courtesy din sana tayo sa pagpost ng mga comments, dito tayo magkakaroon ng mabuting pagbigay ng ideas kesa samaan ng loob at batuhan ng bintang. Dito rin pwede tayo magtulungan kung sakaling kakailanganin, wag po sanang napaka-patriotic sa isang kinahihiligan natin na makakalimutan na nating "BUMUSINA" sa kapwa nating gumagamit ng kalye, pag "BUBUSINA" tayo, maiiwasan po nating makatama sa mga walang kasalanan. Peace.;)

[v22]

yes.. please dont generalize all motorcycle riders as assholes, 4 wheelers also have their own share of them....

i drive a car and also ride a motorcycle... and i'm guilty f staying in the middle of the lane... the reason why we do this is because its more risky to stay rightmost because of the possibility of being sideswiped! i just maintain the legal speed (which is really not a problem for motorcycles) and let the other motorists overtake if they could....

[eojlin]

Sa mga bikers, see my post in this thread (post #4)...
IMHO, without discrimination or hate stuff (and promoting peace, hehe), mas risky pa rin ang bikes sa main roads. Nakakatakot pa rin dumikit sa kanila sa kalsada. Sa tutuo lang, most bikes, nangyayari talaga na invisible sila sa kalsada.

*peace* at opinion lang!

[SEALANDER]

Sa mga bikers, see my post in this thread (post #4)...
IMHO, without discrimination or hate stuff (and promoting peace, hehe), mas risky pa rin ang bikes sa main roads. Nakakatakot pa rin dumikit sa kanila sa kalsada. Sa tutuo lang, most bikes, nangyayari talaga na invisible sila sa kalsada.

*peace* at opinion lang!

Motorcycles are registered vehicles. To be registered owners are required to pay fees and road users tax. I think its their right to share the roads with cars. MC's stay on the middle of the road because that is the safest part on the road for them. Kung didikit ka sa kanila talagang risky yun. It is you who's putting on the risk. You blow your horn because you want them to move aside so you can pass them. Maybe you envy them because while your stuck in traffic they just whiz pass by you. [B]kakainggit di ba?? [/B] Anyway that's why there's an MC organization fighting for the end to the illegal ban of MC's on expressways. These roads are according to international studies the most safest road for MC's..only in the philippines are MC's ban on expressways. Ohter countries even promote their use on expressways. Laid back talaga ang pilipinas..kawawa naman..tayo!!!!

[eojlin]

Motorcycles are registered vehicles. To be registered owners are required to pay fees and road users tax. I think its their right to share the roads with cars. MC's stay on the middle of the road because that is the safest part on the road for them. Kung didikit ka sa kanila talagang risky yun. It is you who's putting on the risk. You blow your horn because you want them to move aside so you can pass them. Maybe you envy them because while your stuck in traffic they just whiz pass by you. [B]kakainggit di ba?? [/B] Anyway that's why there's an MC organization fighting for the end to the illegal ban of MC's on expressways. These roads are according to international studies the most safest road for MC's..only in the philippines are MC's ban on expressways. Ohter countries even promote their use on expressways. Laid back talaga ang pilipinas..kawawa naman..tayo!!!!

I didn't make my post to fire up more misunderstandings. All i had is just an opinion that i wanted to share. I believe, what i mentioned in my previous posts are rational.
Please understand.
PLUS, i didn't even site any final or conclusive judgement against bikers. It was just an honest "opinion."
Please, no troubles.

Chill out!!!

Opinion lang ulit, there's more risk in riding a motorcycle than my cage. i won't take my baby for a motorcycle ride. Btw, worse case scenario - accidents do happen, it's easier to anticipate a mad "cage's" driving direction than a mad bike's driving direction. Opinion lang yan.
Plus, live and let live. If one wants to ride his bike on main roads then let him be. Sabi nga, ride at your own risk.

Yes! Free country. I guess, I'm also free to express my opinion, and this happens to be the right thread or forum to discuss the risks on "Bicycles/motorcycles in the middle of the road???"

And let's not call names (both sides). Peace!!!

Fyi, my M/T motorbike yung pinsan ko, yun ang dala ko sa probinsya. Sarap i-drive, sa tamang lugar.

[falken]

Sa tagal ko nang nagdadrive, wala pa naman akong nakitang naka big bike na gago magdrive, pinakamadalas yung mga delivery boys ng mga fastfood outlets, puro kaskasero may time limit kasi, dapat tanggalin na yung promo nila na may time limit.

[Bogeyman]

Maka-ilang beses na akong muntik makadale ng motorsiklo, mga bigla na lang kasing sisingit minsan pag liliko ako, or basta na lang magka-cut sa tabi ko, o bigla na lang susulpot sa harap ko habang patawid ako. Somebody on two wheels even had the gall to *tap* the side of my car, as a signal that he was about to pass. What, can't you use your horn instead? Do you even have a horn in the first place? Can you afford to pay me in the event that you damage my car's paint job? Pukininang, iniingatan ko yung pintura ng kotse ko, tapos tatapikin lang ng kung sinong hunghang na naka-motor....

Driving habits aside, motorcycles are inherently more dangerous because of their size. They are more difficult to spot because they can easily slip into your blind spot, making them a greater threat both to me and to themselves, unlike four-wheeled vehicles na malayo pa lang, kita mo na. A lot, and I mean a lot of motorcylists I encounter on the road don't even have the common sense to use a helmet! Kaya tuloy pag napuruhan, ay sus, pasensyahan na lang, hane? Kay San Pedro ka na lang magpaliwanag.

[Elroi]

minsan may sinusundan ako 2 tricycle nagkakarera sa highway... 40 yata ang takbo nila pero feeling nya 100kph na.. nung mag-oovertake na ako bigla itinaas nung driver yung kaliwang paa then sabay left turn...

pakshet... buti naka preno ako... yun paang pala ang pang-signal nila..hehe

[falken]

AFAIK, motorcycles 400cc. and above are allowed on the tollways.

[ILuvDetailing]

Motorcycles are registered vehicles. To be registered owners are required to pay fees and road users tax. I think its their right to share the roads with cars. MC's stay on the middle of the road because that is the safest part on the road for them. Kung didikit ka sa kanila talagang risky yun. It is you who's putting on the risk. You blow your horn because you want them to move aside so you can pass them. Maybe you envy them because while your stuck in traffic they just whiz pass by you. kakainggit di ba?? Anyway that's why there's an MC organization fighting for the end to the illegal ban of MC's on expressways. These roads are according to international studies the most safest road for MC's..only in the philippines are MC's ban on expressways. Ohter countries even promote their use on expressways. Laid back talaga ang pilipinas..kawawa naman..tayo!!!!

Like what falken said motorcycles under 400cc is not allowed on tollways, would you risk your life and limb riding a scooter on the expressway? Bigbike ba dala mo sa expressway? If not forget about it brother, your just digging your own grave. Ano ba topspeed niyan aber? Don't put the blame on us if you drive recklessly.

And pare di kami naiingit? Bakit kami maiingit? Naiinis kami sa mga MC drivers na walang road courtesy!!! Di naman kami nag gegeneralize, what pisses me off is that even though your not at fault you shoulder the blame because you ride a bigger vehicle. Gets?

[wasted_23]

Like what falken said motorcycles under 400cc is not allowed on tollways, would you risk your life and limb riding a scooter on the expressway? Bigbike ba dala mo sa expressway? If not forget about it brother, your just digging your own grave. Ano ba topspeed niyan aber? Don't put the blame on us if you drive recklessly.

And pare di kami naiingit? Bakit kami maiingit? Naiinis kami sa mga MC drivers na walang road courtesy!!! Di naman kami nag gegeneralize, what pisses me off is that even though your not at fault you shoulder the blame because you ride a bigger vehicle. Gets?

my skuter's topspeed is 120kph with backride, and i ride it inside the expressway. is there a problem with that? we do this because we are fighting for our rights to use the expressways. maybe you guys should try it (riding a bike)for yourselves para ndi puro kyaw-kyaw lang. at katulad ng lagi naming sinasabe, stop generalizing. mas maraming cage accidents than motorcycles, and that's a fact!

[mazdamazda]

my skuter's topspeed is 120kph with backride, and i ride it inside the expressway. is there a problem with that?

a nice gust of cross wind, a small debris and your scooter's visibility (to other drivers) is your problem.

[wasted_23]

a nice gust of cross wind, a small debris and your scooter's visibility (to other drivers) is your problem.

...sorry dude, but this doesn't bother us at all. we know how to handle our ride very well, and i bet you visibility is never a problem. unless, there are stupid, ignorant and abusive cagers around us.

[see16]

...sorry dude, but this doesn't bother us at all. we know how to handle our ride very well, and i bet you visibility is never a problem. unless, there are stupid, ignorant and abusive cagers around us.

Dude kahit bikers katabi mo basta barumbadong driver delikado ka. my point is kahit anong klaseng sasakyan yan basta bobo ang may dala delikado katabi yan sa kalye.

[mazdamazda]

mas maraming cage accidents than motorcycles, and that's
a fact!

fact from?

US NHTSA statistics:

There was also a marked jump in the motorcycle death rate, from 21 deaths per 100 million estimated vehicle miles traveled on motorcycles in 1997 to 33.4 deaths per 100 million miles in 2001 – an increase of more than 50%. The NHTSA notes that passenger car riders have a death rate of 1.3 per 100 million miles, a fraction of the risk of motorcyclists.

[Wolver888]

fact from?

US NHTSA statistics:

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
and
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewaysall.php

found at

www.motorcyclephilippines.com

[Bogeyman]

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
and
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewaysall.php

found at

www.motorcyclephilippines.com

I'll take the NHTSA's statistics anyday. Not because those are US figures, but because the NHTSA is an objective organization governing all vehicles, unlike motorcyclephilippines.com whose very name already betrays their argument in favor of motorcycle use.

Anyway, just this noon I was on EDSA nearing Timog, when a motorcycle-riding couple suddenly swerves from my left toward me, without any turn signal or warning horn. Luckily I was able to honk them out of my lane, or I would be staring down two dead motorcyclists by now.

Cars, or "cagers", are still the more ideal mode of transport, IMO. The surrounding body shell will at least guarantee some measure of safety for the occupants, which is more than I can say for the motorcyclist who often only has empty air between him and raw pavement, if not a brick wall. Six people riding in a car is still an acceptable sight; three people riding in a motorcycle is clearly asking for trouble. In the event of a collision, a driver has seatbelts, airbags, side impact beams, ad nauseum that will restrain and confine the force of impact. In this same situation, what will prevent the rider from becoming instant roadkill?

Also, the supposed fuel savings offered by motorcycles is negated by their poor aerodynamics and relatively limited tank capacity. As for travel time, well, everyone wants to get to wherever they're going. But I'd rather endure a little traffic, safe inside my car with the knowledge that I'll get to my destination eventually, than risk my life and limb whizzing around in my haste to get there ahead of the pack. Besides, the good thing about having a car is that it reinforces the need to plan your trips ahead, however mundane they may seem. Invest in a good city map, and find alternative routes you can use the next time you find yourself in a jam.

And before anyone throws in the "environmental benefits" of using a motorcycle for brief trips, why not go all the way and use bicycles instead, like they do in China? But first, dedicated bike lanes are in order, lanes that should be respected by drivers in turn.

Drivers and riders alike can succumb to the temptation of committing senseless antics on the road at any given time, especially in this country. In a perfect world, it's something we can all do without, but as it is, I'd go with the type of vehicle that can offer relative protection in the event that something goes wrong as a result of someone's recklessness, rather than none at all.

[O!lman]

http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/Myths.php
and
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/pages/freewaysall.php

found at

www.motorcyclephilippines.com

Wolver, nice articles indeed...bakit pa tayo kukuha ng statistics sa US eh nandito tayo sa Pinas na halos lahat na yata ng kalye at Highway ay may congestion! We cannot compare US NHTSA stats sa Stats natin dito sa pinas...Just like comparing Orange w/ Aratilis!

I can use my Bigbike(Yamaha YZF R-6) and even my Kymco Grand 250 sa SLEX na walang problema pero dapat lahat ng registered, taxpaying motorists including sub-400cc motorcycles ay maka-access sa Tollways. Don't discriminate people who can only afford a humble MC for their own mode of transport. Hindi po magaaksaya ng napakamahal na tollfee ang mga bikers para lang subukan ang full throttle ng bike nila sa highway...They have their own schedule to meet like all of us motorists....Kaya magbigayan na lang tayo...

Mr. Frank Drebin is right, Just try to ride the bike first to appreciate this wonderful machine :freedom: ...Baka ibenta nyo na yang mga SUV at Kotse nyo... mahal na kasi ang Gaso ngayon....Tataas daw ng $105/bbl this yearend!