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    Quote Originally Posted by chronicle View Post
    Pero kung ambulance yung dala nya, ill give way.
    pa OT lang, grabe makabusina yung isang SUV (fort yata*cant ID kasi black) sa akin nung kumakabig ako sa kanan para makadaan yung ambulance. had to stop kasi, di ako pinagbigyan nung nasa kanan na auto (and masikip naman din at medyo bumper to bumper traffic). yung SUV sa likod ko, nasa 15sec (prolly more) bago tumabi at pinadaan ambulance. eh kaya naman nya kumabig dahil umusad ako.

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    I have no comment about the dashcam owner. The jaguar guy is at fault, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamur View Post
    I have no comment about the dashcam owner. The jaguar guy is at fault, period.
    I know the guy and I've seen him drive. He is not an aggressive driver. I don't think he meant to challenge the guy by not moving lanes.

    Btw, the road looks like 5th Avenue. I don't think they implement counterflowing there, do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreamur View Post
    I have no comment about the dashcam owner. The jaguar guy is at fault, period.

    ito rin sentiment ko.

    Napalabas ba ito sa Masa News program eg. 24 oras, tv patrol?

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    Hirap kasi minsan Traffic Enforcers ang may pasimuno ng counterflow, they call it buhos. Mahirap mag implement ng batas na minsan pwede minsan hindi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BratPAQ View Post
    Hirap kasi minsan Traffic Enforcers ang may pasimuno ng counterflow, they call it buhos. Mahirap mag implement ng batas na minsan pwede minsan hindi.
    Sa ganyang scenario "controlled" yan ganyan. At ginagawa talaga yan para mabawasan yung traffic at tingin ko naman kahit paano may planning yan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erick_214 View Post
    Sa ganyang scenario "controlled" yan ganyan. At ginagawa talaga yan para mabawasan yung traffic at tingin ko naman kahit paano may planning yan.
    Ang buhos ay parang zipper lane, temporary at may control yung enforcers.

    Convenient for the public masi.

    Parang magabi, maiipit ako sa gitna ng shaw kasi naabutan ng pula. Pero sinenyasan akong mav tuloy tuloy.

    In that case, yung mga enforcer hindi nag pa go until clear yung gitna. Safety issue naman yang akin.

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    I dont see any enforcers nung kumaliwa yung jaguar kaya "buhos" is out of the question. And from the looks of it, mukang makipot yung street para sa iaaccount yung mga dumederetso at kumakaliwang sasakyan.

    Utak skwater lang talaga si jaguar

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    Something is amiss here…

    If you take a second hard look at the video, there is really more to it than meets the eye.
    Consider these things: first, the jaguar came from that intersection at the right side followed by the Toyota Innova; second, the jaguar (0:18 seconds) tried to merge with incoming traffic and switched its headlights on; third, apparently piqued that the car with dashcam did not give way a little bit but drove straight at him, the jaguar veered to its left and made a stop; fourth, jaguar’s driver got out of his car (0:24) pointed his finger and shouted something like an invective and said something like “maluwag sa kanan” or to that effect; fifth, then he got back inside his car (0:30), reversed and merged with the traffic flow. At this (0:42), you could hear bleeping sounds indicating that a door was being opened. At 0:43, you could still see the backside of the jaguar. At 0:51, you could hear voices “di mo yan daanan, eh”. At 0:57, a clicking sound of a door being opened then somebody calmly said, “hindi kita hinarangan, ikaw ang humarang dito o,” another butt-in “hindi mo yan daan eh”, then somebody with subdued voice “ang luwag sa kanan pare…” but he was cut in mid-sentence by another at 1:03 “sir, hindi mo yan daanan” then somebody retorted “wag kang makialam” (or to that effect) then a voice said, “ anong di makialam trabaho po namin to.” At 1:07, the front-seat passenger of the Innova wearing a Black shades got out. At 1:10, the video ended.

    My point is, if that jaguar came from that intersection and tried to merge the flow, then he was not really counterflowing maliciously because we could clearly see that the traffic of the road he was going to merge was heavy and in a way he could be counterflowing while trying to merge. He even switched his headlights on. It could happen to any of us. We could get mad if we were asking for a favor and the other motorist just stonewalled. What was wrong was when he got out of the car and shouted invective. But, look, he redeemed himself; he tried to reason with the people in the car with dashcam rather subduedly that "maluwag sa kanan pare." The mild demeanor of the driver was understandable because he knew it was recorded. Why did somebody said "trabaho namin ito"? Did it not sound like they (whoever they are) did it on purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    Something is amiss here…

    If you take a second hard look at the video, there is really more to it than meets the eye.
    Consider these things: first, the jaguar came from that intersection at the right side followed by the Toyota Innova; second, the jaguar (0:18 seconds) tried to merge with incoming traffic and switched its headlights on; third, apparently piqued that the car with dashcam did not give way a little bit but drove straight at him, the jaguar veered to its left and made a stop; fourth, jaguar’s driver got out of his car (0:24) pointed his finger and shouted something like an invective and said something like “maluwag sa kanan” or to that effect; fifth, then he got back inside his car (0:30), reversed and merged with the traffic flow. At this (0:42), you could hear bleeping sounds indicating that a door was being opened. At 0:43, you could still see the backside of the jaguar. At 0:51, you could hear voices “di mo yan daanan, eh”. At 0:57, a clicking sound of a door being opened then somebody calmly said, “hindi kita hinarangan, ikaw ang humarang dito o,” another butt-in “hindi mo yan daan eh”, then somebody with subdued voice “ang luwag sa kanan pare…” but he was cut in mid-sentence by another at 1:03 “sir, hindi mo yan daanan” then somebody retorted “wag kang makialam” (or to that effect) then a voice said, “ anong di makialam trabaho po namin to.” At 1:07, the front-seat passenger of the Innova wearing a Black shades got out. At 1:10, the video ended.

    My point is, if that jaguar came from that intersection and tried to merge the flow, then he was not really counterflowing maliciously because we could clearly see that the traffic of the road he was going to merge was heavy and in a way he could be counterflowing while trying to merge. He even switched his headlights on. It could happen to any of us. We could get mad if we were asking for a favor and the other motorist just stonewalled. What was wrong was when he got out of the car and shouted invective. But, look, he redeemed himself; he tried to reason with the people in the car with dashcam rather subduedly that "maluwag sa kanan pare." The mild demeanor of the driver was understandable because he knew it was recorded. Why did somebody said "trabaho namin ito"? Did it not sound like they (whoever they are) did it on purpose?
    Kahit saan man sya galing thats a double yellow lane. Siguro naman hindi na kailangan pa ipaliwanag kung ano ibig sabihin ng double yellow lane.

    Ang hirap kasi dito sa Pinas sa dami ng mali ay nagiging tama...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post

    My point is, if that jaguar came from that intersection and tried to merge the flow, then he was not really counterflowing maliciously because we could clearly see that the traffic of the road he was going to merge was heavy and in a way he could be counterflowing while trying to merge. He even switched his headlights on. It could happen to any of us. We could get mad if we were asking for a favor and the other motorist just stonewalled. What was wrong was when he got out of the car and shouted invective. But, look, he redeemed himself; he tried to reason with the people in the car with dashcam rather subduedly that "maluwag sa kanan pare." The mild demeanor of the driver was understandable because he knew it was recorded. Why did somebody said "trabaho namin ito"? Did it not sound like they (whoever they are) did it on purpose?
    No amount of rationalizing could have redeemed him from berating the other driver. He exuded boastful arrogance and self entitlement netizens love to hate.

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    Im hoping see a lot of rich people following road rules in the coming weeks.

    Kahit gano ka kayaman, Kahiya ka sa mga kumpadre mo kung maging viral ang pagkakamali mo.

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    Yes, he counterflowed. there is no question about that. he violated our traffic laws and no question about that too. all I'm saying is, he might not have done the counterflowing MALICIOUSLY but maybe it was due to pure lapse of judgment and was caught in that circumstances while he was turning left. we all know that in the road, or even in life, in every twist and turn, we make judgments, and in the process we could make mistakes human as we are. we too in our daily drive or grind have committed lapses too, have shouted invectives too, do have sense of entitlement too. at one time or another we were in that circumstance too. let us not be too haste to crucify him. he who does not sin cast the first stone. have a blessed Sunday everyone.

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    Nope, take a look again

    If the Jaguar followed the line and merged alternatively like what the fullsize SUV in front of him did, actually makakapasok siya. May ample space between the civic behind the SUV and the Vios coming after to facilitate it. Proper signaling of intent lang naman.

    Instead nag try mag counterflow siya. And don't say lapse of judgement or circumstance, if that was the case he would have not turned his car further away from his proper lane to confront the dashcam driver or even come out of his vehicle. What should have happened is he would have stuck his car as close as possible to his proper lane and signal his intent to merge and hope may magbigay sa kanya.

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    Nope, take a look again

    If the Jaguar followed the line and merged alternatively like what the fullsize SUV in front of him did, actually makakapasok siya. May ample space between the civic behind the SUV and the Vios coming after to facilitate it. Proper signaling of intent lang naman.

    Instead nag try mag counterflow siya. And don't say lapse of judgement or circumstance, if that was the case he would have not turned his car further away from his proper lane to confront the dashcam driver or even come out of his vehicle. What should have happened is he would have stuck his car as close as possible to his proper lane and signal his intent to merge and hope may magbigay sa kanya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceblueyes View Post
    Nope, take a look again

    If the Jaguar followed the line and merged alternatively like what the fullsize SUV in front of him did, actually makakapasok siya. May ample space between the civic behind the SUV and the Vios coming after to facilitate it. Proper signaling of intent lang naman.

    Instead nag try mag counterflow siya. And don't say lapse of judgement or circumstance, if that was the case he would have not turned his car further away from his proper lane to confront the dashcam driver or even come out of his vehicle. What should have happened is he would have stuck his car as close as possible to his proper lane and signal his intent to merge and hope may magbigay sa kanya.

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    Nope, take a look again

    If the Jaguar followed the line and merged alternatively like what the fullsize SUV in front of him did, actually makakapasok siya. May ample space between the civic behind the SUV and the Vios coming after to facilitate it. Proper signaling of intent lang naman.

    Instead nag try mag counterflow siya. And don't say lapse of judgement or circumstance, if that was the case he would have not turned his car further away from his proper lane to confront the dashcam driver or even come out of his vehicle. What should have happened is he would have stuck his car as close as possible to his proper lane and signal his intent to merge and hope may magbigay sa kanya.
    i did take a look at it again. at 0:16, jaguar maneuvered to the right to follow the flow of traffic, but could not do it successfully because of the Civic FD who was very proximate to him. at 0:17, the jaguar and the civic FD were already shoulder to shoulder. at 0:18 or 0:19, the jaguar veered a little to the left and halted. the window was merely 3 or 4 seconds. all the while, despite this too short a window, the car with the dashcam did not give him little leeway. bigayan lang sana.
    (i hope members will not treat all and sundry who take another point of view to get to the bottom of it a pariah)
    but, let me say this again, lest i be misynderstood, the act of the jaguar’s driver of getting out of his car and shouted invectives was his undoing. that could not be condoned at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    i did take a look at it again. at 0:16, jaguar maneuvered to the right to follow the flow of traffic, but could not do it successfully because of the Civic FD who was very proximate to him. at 0:17, the jaguar and the civic FD were already shoulder to shoulder. at 0:18 or 0:19, the jaguar veered a little to the left and halted. the window was merely 3 or 4 seconds. all the while, despite this too short a window, the car with the dashcam did not give him little leeway. bigayan lang sana.
    (i hope members will not treat all and sundry who take another point of view to get to the bottom of it a pariah)
    but, let me say this again, lest i be misynderstood, the act of the jaguar’s driver of getting out of his car and shouted invectives was his undoing. that could not be condoned at all.
    ehh, ewan ko sayo. sasabihin ko na lang na hinde siya sa harap ng civic papasok and if he did was he was supposed to properly, hinde sila magiging shoulder to shoulder ng civic. Pero ewan, bahala ka, gusto mo bigyan yung nasa mali.

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    That is 5th avenue, the widest road in BGC. There is a big yellow line all the way from S&R to Mckinley road and that corner where the jaguar did a counterflow is a no left turn. Most likely he tried to pass the long line of traffic going to Fort Bonifacio or Forbes Park. I pass that road everyday and mostly drivers are patient enough to wait for their turn at that intersection.

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    Ang mild mannered driver pag may ginawang violation tahimik na lang. Eto gag0 may gana pa magalit na para bang siya ang nasa tama. Yanba ang hindi arogante? Yanba hindi mayabang? Yanba hindi agressive? I dont think so. Shame shame. Magsorry na lang siya at umamin mali siya. Eh mukhang jinujustify pa nya pagkakamali nya eh -- maluwag sa kanan pre.

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    Can't believe there are actually people who think that we should just let ill-mannered drivers get away with it all the time.

    Ganyan naman daw talaga sa Pilipinas. WTF? So you won't do anything about it? Kung ganyan ang mentality niyo, edi lalo lang silang dadami.

    "OK lang naman tong ginagawa ko, nakakalusot naman eh."

    That's the kind of thinking that these people have - from small things like driving etiquette, to bigger things like stealing from the country's coffers.

    It doesn't mean that you need to be confrontational. You can make a stand without being aggressive. I don't think what this dashcam driver did was aggressive. Hindi lang siya nagpabully, pero hindi siya nangbully.

    Everyday, I encounter asshole drivers like that Jaguar along the Bagong Ilog flyover - ang haba haba ng pinipila namin (from Kalayaan U-Turn palang), and then suddenly they'll try to cut in right before the off-ramp. Yung mga ganung hindi marunong pumila, hindi ko pinapasingit. In the same way that if a guy tried to cut in a long line in an amusement park, I'd call him out too. The last time that I missed the Bagong Ilog queue, dun na ko sa Lanuza kumaliwa kaysa humarang sa traffic at pagpilitan ang pagsingit.

    People like that make life more inconvenient for those who actually line up properly - gusto nilang makalamang, never mind that they're doing so through improper etiquette at the expense of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Can't believe there are actually people who think that we should just let ill-mannered drivers get away with it all the time.

    Ganyan naman daw talaga sa Pilipinas. WTF? So you won't do anything about it? Kung ganyan ang mentality niyo, edi lalo lang silang dadami.

    "OK lang naman tong ginagawa ko, nakakalusot naman eh."

    That's the kind of thinking that these people have - from small things like driving etiquette, to bigger things like stealing from the country's coffers.

    It doesn't mean that you need to be confrontational. You can make a stand without being aggressive. I don't think what this dashcam driver did was aggressive. Hindi lang siya nagpabully, pero hindi siya nangbully.

    Everyday, I encounter asshole drivers like that Jaguar along the Bagong Ilog flyover - ang haba haba ng pinipila namin (from Kalayaan U-Turn palang), and then suddenly they'll try to cut in right before the off-ramp. Yung mga ganung hindi marunong pumila, hindi ko pinapasingit. In the same way that if a guy tried to cut in a long line in an amusement park, I'd call him out too. The last time that I missed the Bagong Ilog queue, dun na ko sa Lanuza kumaliwa kaysa humarang sa traffic at pagpilitan ang pagsingit.

    People like that make life more inconvenient for those who actually line up properly - gusto nilang makalamang, never mind that they're doing so through improper etiquette at the expense of others.



    Same group of maangas na tao, dalin mo sa ibang bansa, parang tupa na susunod yan sa batas. Mentality ng ilang pinoy ay okay naman mandugas kasi nasa pinas.


    Mentality rin ng ILANG pinoy yung "pagbigyan na" kahit bawal at illegal at nakakahiya. At kapag hindi ka nagbigay, sasabihan kang maarte, di marunong makisama at pasosyal.

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