Can someone explain how this happened?

[Ddlord11]

Front left fender, it was a slow turn my dash cam clocked me at 10kmh at the time of collision, it's a 4 lane intersection..

[Ddlord11]

Not dark at all sir i can be seen from outside right print your face against the glass, and this was 7am in the morning, good visibility all around..

[Lew_Alcindor]

simple case of "tumingin ka pero hindi mo nakita".

"tinimbang ngunit kulang..." hahaha

[dr. d]

it would appear, you were way ahead of the bike.
it seems to me, the biker saw you, but despite enough time and distance, did not do anything to avoid you.
so, what's the problem?

[remzam]

it would appear, you were way ahead of the bike.
it seems to me, the biker saw you, but despite enough time and distance, did not do anything to avoid you.
so, what's the problem?

Same conclusion. Even if he hit the left side of your car (the bike's right side) it is both possible for him to fall either left or right side.

Are you trying to know who is at fault or who is lying?

If you have insurance let them handle it. If you can prove, via your dash cam, of your speed, you can contest and prove police authorities you are the aggrieved party.

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[Ddlord11]

Well 2 problems

I was making a legal right turn on red and the mc is arguing he had absolute right of way because he was green

And 2 I entered the second lane as a bicycle that had just passed by decided to suddenly switch to the outermost lane

He's done an estimate for about 40% the cost of a brand new bike of the same model, my own mechanic perused the job order and theorizes he may have hit me on purpose because based on his opinion, the damages sustained on the job order are possibly but unlikely attributed to the bike falling onto it's side. He's suspecting the bike may have had pre existing damage and is looking for a way to cover previous damages. That's why I'm asking if he could've been moving to the right instead of avoiding me to force a collision.

Thanks for the input everyone! Much appreciated!

[yebo]

Well 2 problems

I was making a legal right turn on red and the mc is arguing he had absolute right of way because he was green

And 2 I entered the second lane as a bicycle that had just passed by decided to suddenly switch to the outermost lane

there, umamin ka din. you did not see him coming and you failed to yield. you were even in the 2nd (innermost) lane. he was green, you were on red making a right turn. case closed.

doctrine of whatever no longer applicable as what some shyster here said. it was overturned many years ago in the sc, so we were told. i may be wrong though.

[yebo]

50 meters is not enough for an mc to stop or change course if he was going the legal speed of 60 kph (city speed limit). you have to take that in consideration when dealing with motorbikes, that their stopping distances are further than 4 wheeled sedans equipped with abs/ebd/ abcdefg. don't judge other vehicles according to the specs of your car. especially if they are 18-wheelers with 30 tons of trailer behind. or for this matter, a 2-wheeled motor.

[CVT]

Well 2 problems

I was making a legal right turn on red and the mc is arguing he had absolute right of way because he was green

And 2 I entered the second lane as a bicycle that had just passed by decided to suddenly switch to the outermost lane

He's done an estimate for about 40% the cost of a brand new bike of the same model, my own mechanic perused the job order and theorizes he may have hit me on purpose because based on his opinion, the damages sustained on the job order are possibly but unlikely attributed to the bike falling onto it's side. He's suspecting the bike may have had pre existing damage and is looking for a way to cover previous damages. That's why I'm asking if he could've been moving to the right instead of avoiding me to force a collision.

Thanks for the input everyone! Much appreciated!

It is a "legal right turn" alright bro,- but "with caution"

Hindi talaga magwo-work iyang ganyang arrangement dito sa Pilipinas,- dahil ang utak nating mga drivers,- kasama na ako riyan,- nauna ako sa kanto,- uuna ako sa iyo que se joda kahit na ikaw ay green and go pa at mabagal ko pang kukunin iyan,- magpreno ka sa likod, okay?.....

Kaya ang ginawa ng iba sa intersection,- no right turn on red,- para tigil na lang at hindi katulad ng sinabi ko sa itaas.

Kung sa ibang bansa mo ginawa iyan,- talagang bubungguin ka nila, dahil sila ang may "right of way" at kasalanan mo pa,- tama naman!


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[enzo6k]

And 2 I entered the second lane as a bicycle that had just passed by decided to suddenly switch to the outermost lane

lets say safe ka nakaliko pakanan, pero i think bigla ka nagswitch ng lane? hindi mo na napansin na may parating galing likod kaya na-cut mo, dahil naka-focus ka sa bike sa unahan na iniwasan mo.

[Janemar]

"And 2 I entered the second lane as a bicycle that had just passed by decided to suddenly switch to the outermost lane"

At first, na inis na rin siguro ung MC since green light sya running 60kph tapos biglang may sisingit na oto at 10kph?

Okay, lusot na at nagslow down sya kaunti para sa iyo kaso eto ka nag swerve naman para iwasan ung MC na mabagal sa harap mo?

Okay na sana kaso kumabig ka pa sa middle lane, in effect parang nag swerve ka nung biglang huminto bike sa harap mo.

Di mo nanaman sya nakita na may mabilis na motor parating sa likod mo? Or di ka lumingon sa side or rear view mirror?

Dapat nag bagal or full stop ka na lang and wait mag swerve if clear na with matching signal light.

Dun siguro nahilo ung bike or MC sa likod mo kaya nabangga ka nya.

[ice15]

Just my opinion... Fender yung tinamaan syo, if sana pinto may argument... Likod, panalo ka.

But still since he's a motorcycle rider, talo pa din tayo (cars)... Papagamot mo manlang plus (if you're lucky) pantaxi nya pauwi...

Honestly, naiinis ako sa Pinas and US where the car behind you expects you to turn right kahit red on an intersection kapag nasa right most lane ka.

Sa countries driving on the left side, red is red kahit turning left ka.

[dr. d]

let's see how the investigator will see it.
obviously, what we put here will not be included in his decision-making process.

[lowslowbenz]

Honestly, naiinis ako sa Pinas and US where the car behind you expects you to turn right kahit red on an intersection kapag nasa right most lane ka.

This is why I always wait for the green light, regardless of the circumstances. Bahala kayong bumusina dyan sa likod ....

[niky]

This is why I always wait for the green light, regardless of the circumstances. Bahala kayong bumusina dyan sa likod ....

Good policy.

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Because your right to turn on a red is always conditional of whether the intersection is clear or not. As long as there is someone crossing or about to cross, there is always danger.

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Not to say that the threadstarter knowingly did something wrong or dangerous, but extra caution must be applied when plying city streets.

Even if the rider had the last clear chance, you can still be found partially at fault, and will still have to shell out.

[hypnos]

Suppose the two of them are on the outer(right most) lane.
Is there a possibility for the bike to be at fault even if he has the green light?

I am just perplexed how the bike can be the offender.

Granted that one can turn right with caution on an intersection with a red light.
Drivers who have the smallest of bladders would argue that hey I was cautious, I saw him X meters away so she should have braked hard because I was almost parallel the road after my turn going at X km/h.

Furthermore, TS mentioned that the intersection box was clear.
Shouldn't a merging vehicle check the entire incoming lane not just the spot where you are about to merge?
Even in the US, merging vehicles have to match up their speed with the vehicles traversing the lane so as to go with the flow and not cause a domino braking.

If the bike was on the outer lane, it would still be possible for the bike to hit the front fender because TS is still not fully parallel to the road.
A portion of the turning vehicle's front driver side could still be exposed to the outer lane since PH roads are often as narrow as a vehicles body(not even including side mirrors).

[Walter]

This is another case of people not telling the whole story to gain sympathy ... knowing clearly that they did something wrong ...

Good luck arguing your last clear chance doctrine to a judge ... the thing is you were involved in a collision with a motorcycle ... you turned right and THEN switched lanes so you gave the motorcycle very little chance of avoiding your vehicle ... that is why he fell to the right because you essentially blocked two lanes ... he was avoiding you while trying to avoid oncoming traffic ... so he turned left then turned right to return to the proper lane ...

First instinct of a good driver should be to step on the brakes when there is something in front of you ... not swerve ... slow down and check if it's clear before changing directions ...

[enzo6k]

This is another case of people not telling the whole story to gain sympathy ... knowing clearly that they did something wrong ...

Good luck arguing your last clear chance doctrine to a judge ... the thing is you were involved in a collision with a motorcycle ... you turned right and THEN switched lanes so you gave the motorcycle very little chance of avoiding your vehicle ... that is why he fell to the right because you essentially blocked two lanes ... he was avoiding you while trying to avoid oncoming traffic ... so he turned left then turned right to return to the proper lane ...

First instinct of a good driver should be to step on the brakes when there is something in front of you ... not swerve ... slow down and check if it's clear before changing directions ...

correct, swerving ang problema. out of question na yung pag turn-right nakapwesto na sya, kaso may humarang sa harap kaya lumipat sa 2nd lane, dito nagkaron ng collision, kasi na-cut nya yung galing sa likod.

thats why usually meron mga merging lane, extra lane, on-ramp or whatever we call the lane we use bago tayo sumampa sa kalsada, hindi pwede sampa at swerve agad. eto kulang sa karamihan ng drivers ngayon, after maguturn diretso na sa outer lane tulad sa q.ave, another example yung mga galing west ave na papunta sa sm, pagka-right diretso pwesto sa u-turn lane.

sana wag nila gawin yung ganyan style sa nlex or slex

[minicarph]

checking twice is not enough especially with these reckless mc drivers..

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This is another case of people not telling the whole story to gain sympathy ... knowing clearly that they did something wrong ...

Good luck arguing your last clear chance doctrine to a judge ... the thing is you were involved in a collision with a motorcycle ... you turned right and THEN switched lanes so you gave the motorcycle very little chance of avoiding your vehicle ... that is why he fell to the right because you essentially blocked two lanes ... he was avoiding you while trying to avoid oncoming traffic ... so he turned left then turned right to return to the proper lane ...

First instinct of a good driver should be to step on the brakes when there is something in front of you ... not swerve ... slow down and check if it's clear before changing directions ...

bale ano ba talaga nangyari walang bang animation man lang, hinde ko maitindihan eh

[arvs18]

This is why I always wait for the green light, regardless of the circumstances. Bahala kayong bumusina dyan sa likod ....

Same here Mag tiis sila sa ilang minuto ng red light.