"Cagers and Riders Friendly Coexistence" Thread

[mbt]

just a few clarifications...

no doubt that this thread has been rather impassioned, but surely it has been an effective way of education for us. we believe that tsikot.com members are mature and responsible enough to look beyond the provocations and take the lessons and insights to be learned to heart. it is in this good faith that this thread will remain open with only a minimum of moderation.

a few points that must be clarified, however, fellow tsikot members:

FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, the point is that we share the road with others, whether we like it or not. perhaps you don't like motorcycle riders, or trucks and buses, or whatever, the point is not to like them if you don't want to, but simply to respect them and give them their space on the road that they are also entitled to as much as you are. note that "motorists" is not limited to car drivers only, the noun also includes motorcycle riders and users of other motorized vehicles that are authorized to run on our roads.

SECOND, it is a rule of the road and a part of proper driving protocol and good road etiquette to give motorcycles a full lane on the road. they are entitled to the full width of a lane just as cars are. it is improper to force a motorcycle to a narrow fraction of a lane on the mistaken notion that "they are small vehicles".

THIRD, to be sure, tsikot.com members have also made objectionable posts on this thread. on behalf of the tsikot.com membership and leadership, apologies are in order for not clearing up misunderstandings and misleading statements (including the original thread title) sooner. but let it be clear that this is not about how many wheels are superior; for every rider without a helmet, there's a driver without a seatbelt, for every overloaded motorcycle, there's an overloaded car or truck, for every motorcycle that cuts and weaves recklessly, there's a car that counterflows, yadda yadda, ad infinitum, point-counterpoint-point-counterpoint.

FOURTH, to the motorcycle riders, please spare the original thread starter of this discussion. i do not think the thread starter meant to dangle flame bait before you, i do not think the thread starter meant for this discussion to become this inflamed, i think the thread starter is willing to retract the statements made here and offer an apology for any misunderstandings that may have arisen because of them. at this point in this discussion, it is no longer important to know who the thread starter is, as far as this thread in this forum is concerned. this thread was split at the plea of the original thread starter.

FIFTH, we are grateful that motorcycle riders, like wolver888 and others, took the time to participate in our discussion here and to attempt to clear up misunderstandings in a mature and gentlemanly fashion. surely, valid points have been raised by both cager and rider alike, and definitely, the cagers, the majority of which probably have not ridden a motorcycle, have learned a lot from this lively discussion.

peace out, happy trails, happy driving, happy riding, whatever it is, remember that while the roads may not have been made for him or her, they were also not made for you.

[Wolver888]

sya nga pala... ano ang km/L ng mga scooters ba?

Depende sa klase ng scooter.

SYM Joyride 180cc ay around 35-40kms/liter

Pero yung mga 500cc and up scooter, around 18kms/liter.

Gaya nitong Honda Silverwing 600cc. Ganda sana magkaroon nyan pero mahal. 450K.

:cheers: To you Sir Chief Moderator. More power.

[mazdamazda]

Depende sa klase ng scooter.

SYM Joyride 180cc ay around 35-40kms/liter

Pero yung mga 500cc and up scooter, around 18kms/liter.

Gaya nitong Honda Silverwing 600cc. Ganda sana magkaroon nyan pero mahal. 450K.

450K? shocks!!! sobra mahal naman nun...

how about big bikes?

[wasted_23]

wolvie, ung joyride ko is around 22~25km/l lang sa city riding.

*mazdamazda, ung dati kong 400cc consumes around 18~20km/l. depende din sa set up ng motor.

[zeagle]

It has always been my dream to own a big bike. The problem is when I was single, I can not afford it. Now that I can afford it, I am no longer single. My wife would not let me buy one. Sayang!

[mazdamazda]

My wife would not let me buy one. Sayang!

Parang common ko itong naririnig... ano ba ang ayaw ng mga wives sa bikes?

[FrankDrebin]

Chick Magnet. :D

[zeagle]

Chick Magnet. :D

Common reason nila is "delikado" daw but I guess tama. Chick magnet nga.

[wasted_23]

It has always been my dream to own a big bike. The problem is when I was single, I can not afford it. Now that I can afford it, I am no longer single. My wife would not let me buy one. Sayang!

that's a common problem bro. kasi, they think that riding a bike is too risky. me, when i bought my first big bike, my wife and my mom was furious, pero later on, they just gave in. actually, when i bought my skuter, naki-share pa wife ko ehh. hehehe:D

[zeagle]

Cguro start small muna. Magkano ba yung mga pocket bikes? Hehe Tapos upgrade to a scooter. Finally, one of those BMW off road bike na pang Paris-Dakar rally.

[ILuvDetailing]

zeagle: Chick magnet talaga pag big bike. baka magselos si misis niyan hahaha.

[dyohpri]

ts1n1ta, what's new? nasa pilipinas tayo remember? hehehe:D basta, at MCP, we make it a point to remind all the members to wear the proper safety gear everytime we ride.

tama si Sir wasted_23, at sa pilipinas ka lang din makakakita ng mga cities na nagbaban ng helmet. tsk, tsk,....

[bogart]

hmmmm, ang haba na pala ng thread na ito.

Last time I replied to this thread was April 8, page 15 pa lang yun. Ngayon Page 32 na.

That means 16 pages in 4 days, 4pages/ day, 40 replies/ day.

WOWW!

Mabuhay ang mga marunong mag-kotse at mag-motor!!

BTTT: Mods, it was a good thing that you renamed this thread.

To all tsikoteers, pagpasensyahan nyo na yung mga pasaway posts. Ganyan talaga sa public forum di ba? Merong magre-register para manira lang.

Sabi nga nung kapitbahay ng tiyuhin ng asawa ng bayaw ng pinsan ng barkada ko: “ Kaya nga may public forum kasi hindi private”

Masaya (na unti-unting napapa-ngiti, na medyo natatawa) nga ako habang nagba-basa ng mga posts eh. “Healthy Discussions” ika nga.

Mabuti nga, walang nagka- hamunan ng away eh. Kasi kung meron man, wag na lang patulan.

OT: Yung mga nag-tatanong kung magkano big-bike, ako meron binebenta. Click lang yung sig ko. Fuel consumption: city driving - 16km/l, pag long ride – 18km/ltr.

[Alpha_One]

do you guys use your turn signals?

The first question I asked when I first sat on a motorbike was "How do you operate the lights?" Turn signals included of course. I actually first learned how to use the road as a non-pedestrian on a motorbike, though I prefer the car.

[dyohpri]

grabe naman yun mga tao dun ang babastos!!! hindi naman sila tinitira kung bakit ganun magreact. Shineshare lang naman experiences dito sa thread na ito

GENERALIZED STATEMENT!!!


* sir Mazdamazda, here is the link about fuel consumption of bikes :
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/for...EL+CONSUMPTION

and actually, bikes aren't really a chick magnet. click this:
http://motorcyclephilippines.com/for...=CHICK+MAGNETS

[Bogeyman]

UN 3265

Eto yung plaka ng motor na nakatabi ko kagabi, with two helmetless riders on board, one male and one female. Saw them while I was making a right turn from Sumulong Highway towards Hinulugang Taktak.

If anyone here knows them, please remind them of the danger they're putting themselves in. Dis-oras pa naman ng gabi, and they were in an accident-prone area to boot.

[wasted_23]

UN 3265

Eto yung plaka ng motor na nakatabi ko kagabi, with two helmetless riders on board, one male and one female. Saw them while I was making a right turn from Sumulong Highway towards Hinulugang Taktak.

If anyone here knows them, please remind them of the danger they're putting themselves in. Dis-oras pa naman ng gabi, and they were in an accident-prone area to boot.

bro, imho, karaniwan sa mga riders na ganyan, within the vicinity din nakatira. mahihirapan talaga ma-educate yang mga ganyan kasi, either walang formal riding course na kinuha, wala silang club (solo riders) na pedeng magsabe sa kanila or mga pasaway talaga. pag me nakakasabay akong ganyan sa kalsada, sinesenyas ko sa kanila ang helmet pero they just smile (sarcastic) back at me.

[ILuvDetailing]

pag me nakakasabay akong ganyan sa kalsada, sinesenyas ko sa kanila ang helmet pero they just smile (sarcastic) back at me.

tsk tsk. At least you brought it to their attention... I wonder if they have licenses.

at sa pilipinas ka lang din makakakita ng mga cities na nagbaban ng helmet.

Which city?

[accs]

tsk tsk. At least you brought it to their attention... I wonder if they have licenses.


Which city?

sa Marikina city bawal daw ang nakafull faced na helmet, para daw maiwasan ang mga criminals on bikes na covered ang mukha. sa Manila din balita daw e me balak din gumaya..!!!! only in the Philippines!!!

mabuti naman at naging positive ang kinalabasan nitong thread natin!!

[ts1n1ta]

talaga there are actual cities here that ban helmets? nyah.