Justice for Bugoy (Honors on April 13, Interment on April 14). See post #127

[OTEP]

***Disclaimer: Don't know if this is the right forum to post in. This is more of an announcement.***

Message from Northwest 8 [fire chief of Manila Northwest Volunteer Fire Brigade]:

APRIL 5 (Thursday), 9am. Parade: Justice for Ronaldo R. Infante (Severino Bravo), Fire Chief of Manila SETBA Fire Volunteer Brigade, Inc. Meeting Place at SETBA HQ (Batangas St. Sta. Cruz, Manila). Please wear black. Thank you.

How the media played it out to have happened:
ABS CBN: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/nat...-killed-makati
GMA: 2 killed in Makati encounter after failed rob try | GMA News Online | The Go-To Site for Filipinos Everywhere

What I think:
I was never personally close to the deceased. But we know him and we deal with him from time to time. He is a legitimate businessman and he has no reason or motive to rob an LBC L300 delivery van. People in the fire fighting community tend to think that the LBC van accidentally sideswiped Severino Bravo and his companion in one of the dark streets in the area (hence the LBC driver later claiming that he intentionally rammed them). When the LBC van fled the scene, SB and his companion gave chase. The LBC van claimed a hijacking to call attention to the community and make his actions valid. The things that happened next are still under investigation but in the end, Makati Policemen riddled Severino Bravo (and his mechanic) with bullets until they were dead on the scene. Due to the nature of local business nowadays, SB and his mechanic are armed for protection with a Glock and Browning pistol. Both with complete license and papers as per the people in our small community.

[andywesteast]

Riding a Motorcycle in Tandem while carrying firearms, is just asking for trouble.

[OTEP]

Business people riding around unarmed is asking for trouble too.

A guy just got killed in his CR-V after armed men pulled up and fired upon the vehicle to steal the cash he was carrying. In the vehicle was his wife and 11 year old child.

A couple was also killed in a robbery at the stoplight of Araneta Avenue after they were fired upon. They had just come from the bank. They died in their CR-V. Their child wasn't even 1 year old at the time if I remember right.

In today's world, it's no wonder everyone is arming for protection no matter what we ride or drive. Even fire trucks and ambulances are now armed (concealed carry, of course). Motorcycles are no exception. The bad guys can strike anywhere.

***GMA7 refused to cover the parade tomorrow saying it's a holiday and there are no reporters. Maybe they just don't want to cover the event since they were the first one to come out with the false report.***

[jon777]

Business people riding around unarmed is asking for trouble too.

A guy just got killed in his CR-V after armed men pulled up and fired upon the vehicle to steal the cash he was carrying. In the vehicle was his wife and 11 year old child.

A couple was also killed in a robbery at the stoplight of Araneta Avenue after they were fired upon. They had just come from the bank. They died in their CR-V. Their child wasn't even 1 year old at the time if I remember right.

In today's world, it's no wonder everyone is arming for protection no matter what we ride or drive. Even fire trucks and ambulances are now armed (concealed carry, of course). Motorcycles are no exception. The bad guys can strike anywhere.

***GMA7 refused to cover the parade tomorrow saying it's a holiday and there are no reporters. Maybe they just don't want to cover the event since they were the first one to come out with the false report.***

if im not mistaken both cases involved a struggle since both refused to hand over the cash. now ask yourself this question, if you are armed but your family is with you in the car. will you shoot it out with the robbers?

[foresterx]

if im not mistaken both cases involved a struggle since both refused to hand over the cash. now ask yourself this question, if you are armed but your family is with you in the car. will you shoot it out with the robbers?

if i'm driving i'd probably keep driving as fast as i can so i can get away and try to ram the bad guys in motorcycle. shooting inside a car even if you're not driving is hard enough i'm sure shooting back while driving will be a lot harder unless you're jason bourne or james bond. the best thing to do if you are inside the car and not yet cornered then just drive away.

[hein]

Riding a Motorcycle in Tandem while carrying firearms, is just asking for trouble.

YUP. Maiinit ang mga pulis dyan. They even have special Checkpoints for them.

[OTEP]

Video tribute for bugoy:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzy2jn27ZN4]A Tribute To Severino BRAVO of Setba - YouTube[/ame]

La naman problema sa check point. Basta ok ang papers ng motor, ng rider, at ng firearms.

Problem dito, yung LBC driver that cried a hijacking when in fact it wasn't. And the cops that chose to shoot first and ask questions later...

[hein]

Video tribute for bugoy:
A Tribute To Severino BRAVO of Setba - YouTube

Problem dito, yung LBC driver that cried a hijacking when in fact it wasn't. And the cops that chose to shoot first and ask questions later...

Next time, tell your Mekaniko to leave his 9mm Pistol at home, and just bring his tools.

The cops will always Shoot First and Ask Questions later, specially when you are armed, riding a bike and shooting back. As if hindi nangyayari before.

Its called Tempting Fate.

[OTEP]

Who said anything about shooting back? Wow.

[OTEP]

As expected, GMA7 did not cover the event. Solar and aBS did come.

And the cctv footage of the makati apartelle has mysteriously become unavailable to the victim's family. Bravo died in front of the cctv camera.
People just want the truth. If may ginawa nga na mali ang victims, tatanggapin naman ng family at community. Pero sa ngayon na nagtatago ang mga pulis na nakapatay at ang LBC driver na nag claim ng holdap, everyone is still searching for the truth.

Will post pics later.

And hindi naman lahat ng taong may baril ay masamang tao. Some of my colleagues even do rounds and clinic with their FA's within arm's reach. Iba na ang panahon ngayon. You cant even expect the police for protection kung simpleng tao ka lang.

[chua_riwap]

dapat imbestigahan ngang mabuti yan......

[vinj]

People just want the truth. If may ginawa nga na mali ang victims, tatanggapin naman ng family at community. Pero sa ngayon na nagtatago ang mga pulis na nakapatay at ang LBC driver na nag claim ng holdap, everyone is still searching for the truth.

Will post pics later.

And hindi naman lahat ng taong may baril ay masamang tao. Some of my colleagues even do rounds and clinic with their FA's within arm's reach. Iba na ang panahon ngayon. You cant even expect the police for protection kung simpleng tao ka lang.

True, for closure people will just want then truth whether may mali or hindi yung deceased; pwede nga they made the mistake of bringing out their gun in a fit of rage due to the supposed incident in the alley. But how will people know the truth kung walang maayos na inbestigasyon. Yung mga eye witnesses na nagpapogi sa interview, dapat itawag and mag testify under oath in court right?

I think the justice being searched for here is not solely to prove na walang sala yung pinatay but rather to know the truth to what really happened. Kung nagtatago/bulag-bulagan ang pulis and LBC personnel involved and witnesses dont go out and talk in court, and with footage missing, how the hell will that be known right?

Yes, a lot of the real gun owners i know are very responsible and respectable professionals. Even in my family, its a requirement that we all at least know how to safely handle guns because you may never know when you will have to hold one.

[OTEP]

Yep. But thats not the only time you need to draw an FA in the real world. Example ko lang yun. Sorry po if flawed.

My favorite example is the brother of our dean who was in sitting at a traffic light in araneta ave when armed men started firing at the unarmored Subaru Forester they were in. His companions in the vehicle were able to draw their weapons and neutralize some of the threats. Despite sustaining bullet wounds, they were still able to drive the bullet riddled Subaru to the hospital.

What I'm just trying to say is not all armed people are criminals. A lot of us are respectable professionals, businessmen, etc.

Btw, afair the couple in the Araneta incident were immediately fired upon by the robbers. Though age could be getting the better part of my memory now.

[OTEP]

Nasa NBI na daw yung footage, pero di pa pinapakita sa involved parties and hindi sinabi kung sa 3m or apartelle side galing.. Yung id talagang iba iba pangalan kasi may callsigns din kami. Nagkataon lang siguro na yung callsign niya ay parang alias kasi boss siya. Kaming mas rank and file usually just get a word and a number. Mine is Metro 9. Doesn't sound like much of an alias vs 'Severino Bravo'. It doesnt help that his male aid's/mechanic/security's real name is that of a female.

Saka di ako ang nainvolve sa incident. Yung hepe ng brigade next door. Nagsasalaysay lang ako so dont be so hard on me in the same way im not being hard on any particular Tsikoteer on this thread.

Cavite St kami, sila sakop nila ang buong SETBA. I dont ascribe to presenting weapons also. I dont even like carrying IWB even if its said to be the better carry option. Minsan lang talaga nangyayari yung di inaasahan. Kaya nga inaantay result ng investigation. Im just mentioning the irregularities that are currently occuring in the course of the investigation because that is what the family is requesting us to watch for. Tanggap naman nila kung objectively may mali talagang nagawa yung tao.

No one is blaming the PNP as an institution. Madami nang pinaaral at binuhay na kaibigan at kamag anak ko yan. And madami ding volunteer fire/ems na pulis na naka abang din sa results dahil karamihan sa kanila ay kapareho ng trabaho ng mga involved na pulis which is mag patrol ng beat at sumagot sa similar calls. Wala pa naman atang ranking pnp official na nagduduty pa as fire/ems during their off days. At least not in our neck of the woods. Hindi lang ma rule out kung may lapse in judgement. Kabaro na nila yun. Mas nasa position sila mag consider ng ganung scenario.

Interment has been set on Saturday afternoon sa North Cemetery.

[marg]

Tanggap naman nila kung objectively may mali talagang nagawa yung tao.

Buti naman they realized that.

Next time, be careful how you treat other people, specially the ordinary folks who can't fight back.

Sometimes, life has a funny way of Boomeranging.

It's called KARMA.....and this one came really quick

[hein]

Buti naman they realized that.

Next time, be careful how you treat other people, specially the ordinary folks who can't fight back.

Sometimes, life has a funny way of Boomeranging.

It's called KARMA.....and this one came really quick

Lesson for all those Hotheads out there

[cs_nognog]

Tragic, would have been better if the cops killed real criminals like the ones who killed the couple in the CRV.

Cops are really dangerous here, they tend to want to shoot people to add feathers on their cap on as to how many people they've killed. Let's just pray we don't become victims of senseless violence in the streets.

And btw, to those who revel at the death of this volunteer firefighter because in your opinion mayabang sha at buti nga sayo at mabilis ang karma, your insensitivity to those who lost love ones also has fast karma.

Life is precious my friends, the loss of it is not something to feel strangely happy about.

[marg]

Tragic, would have been better if the cops killed real criminals like the ones who killed the couple in the CRV.

Cops are really dangerous here, they tend to want to shoot people to add feathers on their cap on as to how many people they've killed. Let's just pray we don't become victims of senseless violence in the streets.

And btw, to those who revel at the death of this volunteer firefighter because in your opinion mayabang sha at buti nga sayo at mabilis ang karma, your insensitivity to those who lost love ones also has fast karma.

Life is precious my friends, the loss of it is not something to feel strangely happy about.

As I remember, assaulting somebody with a Deadly Weapon is a real CRIME, or have you chosen to ignore it? That is why the gas station people reported the event to the police, prompting the pursuit.

Karma-hin mo sarili mo. Nobody reveled at this guy's death. Kaya wag ka magbintang.

[OTEP]

jew auto enthusiast use that word. Even my black friends use the word nigger in casual conversation. Nasa context na lang siguro ng paggamit. And nag apologize na ko kung may naoffend.

[holdencaulfield]

lumayo na usapan ah.
wala namang mga hudyo dito para may mainsulto. bollocks!

basta isa lang alam ko. hindi ko kilala si doc OTEP pero alam kong walang hudas o pontio pilato sa kanya basta nasa peligro ang buhay. sa dami ng mga natutulungan niya.