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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    My girlfriend was hit by another car last week while she was at a full stop at an intersection. Sobrang obvious kung sinonat fault pero hugas-kamay ang Mandaluyong TE. Di daw sila authorized.

    Pumunta kami Mandaluyong Traffic Management chuchu, yung police dun gumawa ng incident report pero ayaw tumulong isettle yung case. Simple lang tanong nung nakabangga, kung siya daw ba mali (matanda na walang alam sa pagddrive). Ayaw pa sumagot ng pulis, magdemandahan nalang daw kami para fiscal maghatol.

    These people just love to hide under the bureaucracy to avoid any hassle or accountability on their part, even if they have the opportunity to close out the issue early on.
    wala talagang authority TE magsabi kung sino at fault..they can only sketch yun pwesto ng mga vehicles, then talagang pupunta pa sa traffic for the official accident papers... and I know wala rin karapatan pulis magsabi kung sino at fault...

    kaya nga pag nakabangga ka ng tao kahit bawal tumawid, police will still file case against you, dahil under the law, fiscal lang magsasabi kung meron probable cause or wala..or kung sino may kasalanan, its the stupid law. but to be fair sa mga pulis, their hands are tied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    My girlfriend was hit by another car last week while she was at a full stop at an intersection. Sobrang obvious kung sinonat fault pero hugas-kamay ang Mandaluyong TE. Di daw sila authorized.

    Pumunta kami Mandaluyong Traffic Management chuchu, yung police dun gumawa ng incident report pero ayaw tumulong isettle yung case. Simple lang tanong nung nakabangga, kung siya daw ba mali (matanda na walang alam sa pagddrive). Ayaw pa sumagot ng pulis, magdemandahan nalang daw kami para fiscal maghatol.

    These people just love to hide under the bureaucracy to avoid any hassle or accountability on their part, even if they have the opportunity to close out the issue early on.
    nope. policemen and much less the lowly TEs do not have the authority to declare who is at fault. they only investigate and record the event. agents of the law are not judges. they might say "lamang ka sir kaya huwag ka papayag na ikaw magbayad" in secret but will never declare in the presence of both parties who is at fault, much less who should pay who.

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    After watching the video and reading the other complaints... I don't think it matters.

    From the driver's own story... (depending on where you read it)... he was the one who approached the enforcer. And he supposedly knocked the enforcer's cellphone out of his hands when the enforcer took a close-up video of him.

    That's a no-no. That's a big no-no. If you approach first, and you initiate physical contact, it doesn't matter who got more physical first or if the other guy was throwing middle fingers at you and screaming. You still lose the case.

    Like the politician who was framed for rape after sleeping with a teenage prostitute. Even if you were framed, talo ka pa rin. May ginawa ka ring mali.

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    At the very least, this should encourage the people who came forward to file official complaints to get the arrogant SOB demoted within the MMDA ranks.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    After watching the video and reading the other complaints... I don't think it matters.

    From the driver's own story... (depending on where you read it)... he was the one who approached the enforcer. And he supposedly knocked the enforcer's cellphone out of his hands when the enforcer took a close-up video of him.

    That's a no-no. That's a big no-no. If you approach first, and you initiate physical contact, it doesn't matter who got more physical first or if the other guy was throwing middle fingers at you and screaming. You still lose the case.

    Like the politician who was framed for rape after sleeping with a teenage prostitute. Even if you were framed, talo ka pa rin. May ginawa ka ring mali.

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    At the very least, this should encourage the people who came forward to file official complaints to get the arrogant SOB demoted within the MMDA ranks.
    from what i understand, the mmda shoved the cellphone into the maserati driver's face..reason why he knock it off

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    After watching the video and reading the other complaints... I don't think it matters.

    From the driver's own story... (depending on where you read it)... he was the one who approached the enforcer. And he supposedly knocked the enforcer's cellphone out of his hands when the enforcer took a close-up video of him.

    That's a no-no. That's a big no-no. If you approach first, and you initiate physical contact, it doesn't matter who got more physical first or if the other guy was throwing middle fingers at you and screaming. You still lose the case.

    Like the politician who was framed for rape after sleeping with a teenage prostitute. Even if you were framed, talo ka pa rin. May ginawa ka ring mali.

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    At the very least, this should encourage the people who came forward to file official complaints to get the arrogant SOB demoted within the MMDA ranks.
    Indeed it was Ingco who confronted the TE who have no intention to chase him. Ingco gave the TE a middle finger and TE simply requested to do it again that's when Ingco intiated a physical contact by knocking the TE's phone from his hand.

    The media however, have played their card and now this is all about the TE. Therefore, making Ingco a saint.

    Yang ibang incidents ay walang kinalaman sa kasong to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    After watching the video and reading the other complaints... I don't think it matters.

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    At the very least, this should encourage the people who came forward to file official complaints to get the arrogant SOB demoted within the MMDA ranks.
    Those videos and other previous complaints surely matters. It cast a cloud of doubt on the TE's statements, the provocations and invectives hurled against motorists he encountered, which he conveniently didn't state. And lest we forget, the MMDA head was all praises and standing by his enforcer, even stating that he has clean record in service. And from the looks of it, he was quite possibly up for commendation and promotion. Which would surely set a bad precedent.

    As to encouraging others to file complaints, on the contrary its quite discouraging bec. a complaint was filed in Feb. 2013 that was even addressed to the MMDA head and yet almost two years have passed and no actions was taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    From the driver's own story... (depending on where you read it)... he was the one who approached the enforcer. And he supposedly knocked the enforcer's cellphone out of his hands when the enforcer took a close-up video of him.

    That's a no-no. That's a big no-no. If you approach first, and you initiate physical contact, it doesn't matter who got more physical first or if the other guy was throwing middle fingers at you and screaming. You still lose the case.
    Yes, indeed. Why approach or otherwise make the first move to confront a person in authority when he was not even apprehending you in the first place???????? Is it because you are driving a rare Maserati and your pride is hurt that this person in authority who cannot in his entire lifetime even dream of riding in one, got the upperhand against you in taking the moral high ground in this situation?

    I once made a right turn, while the light was still red, on a street that had a sign that says the you have to wait for traffic light to turn green before making the turn. The TE waiting at the other corner who saw my violation just waved his finger at me, as if saying "tsk, tsk, shame on you, I saw what you did, and that's illegal", but said TE did not make a move to apprehend me or otherwise to stop me.

    So I just passed him by, and that's the end of the story. No ticket, no apprehension, no car chase, no unwanted media coverage, all because I did not confront the TE as there was no need to, and even if he apprehended me it was well within his authority to do so cause I commited a traffic violation.

    Moral lesson: Don't let your misplaced pride or your ego get the better of you. Some things, you just let it slide, moreso if you are the one in error in the first place.

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    bumalik tuloy sa aking alala ang MMDA sa baklaran nung time na may mga muslim comunity pa dun sa tapat ng simbahan at may bakod na sing taas ng tao ang island ng highway ung bakod na un ang nag sisilbing harang sa pagitan ng magkabilang highway.

    papasok ako sa trabaho nung natrapik ako sa gawi ng bakod,ng may biglang muslim na pilit linihis ung bakod na bakal at hindi niya nakontrol ung bakod at tuluyang tumama sa fender ng tsikot ko.action ako bigla at naka huli ko ung muslim.katapat namin ung MMDA post sa baklaran.sabi ko nabagsakan ng bakod ung kotse basag ung signal ligth ko at nayupi ung fender .lapit si MMDA sabi sa akin pumunta ako sa POLICE na katabi ng POST nila.sabi ko wag papakawalan ung muslim .pagkatawid ko nakita ko pinasibat niya ung Muslim.pag dating namin ng pulis .wala na ung muslim sabi ko bakit pinaka walan sabi niya tumakbo daw at tinuro nalang na dun sa muslim barong barong nag punta.wala na akong nagawa minura ko nalang harapan ung MMDA sa galit ko sabay alis..

    wala din nagawa ung police at ang sabi mahirap daw pasukin un..

    Tang ina talaga mga MMDA dapat may course nadin at board exam bago maging isang ganap na TE
    dapat pinag aaral din ang mga yan bago isabak sa kalsada..
    Last edited by jaypee10; December 2nd, 2014 at 07:01 PM.

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    One thing good that should come out of this sordid incident is that MMDA and the LGUs should come up with a standard protocol on "rules of engagement" re. how TEs should approach motorists in accosting them on a traffic violation as well as motorists' rules of conduct on the matter. Parang as States where magalang ang traffic cops at motorist bawal bumaba as car unless requested. Dapat standardized na so wala na masyado gulo.

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    Third motorist files complaint against MMDA enforcer | Kicker Daily News

    style pala ng mga TE sila unang mag pakyu tapos pag gumanti ka ng pakyu nakaready ang phone nila para iphoto ops ka

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriroy View Post
    One thing good that should come out of this sordid incident is that MMDA and the LGUs should come up with a standard protocol on "rules of engagement" re. how TEs should approach motorists in accosting them on a traffic violation as well as motorists' rules of conduct on the matter. Parang as States where magalang ang traffic cops at motorist bawal bumaba as car unless requested. Dapat standardized na so wala na masyado gulo.
    Doon naman kasi sa Tate, traffic cops exude with authority and command respect. Dito naman, TEs exude with abuse of authority and invite scorn, contempt and disdain (at least, as far as I'm concerned).

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    Ang isa pa sa napansin ko eh paano mo kakaladkarin ang isang tao na gamit mo lang kamay mo tapos nag drive ka? Malaking tao din yung si adriatico tsaka parang hindi naman bumaba ng auto si ingco so malamang siya talaga lumapit kay ingco. Bka nga hinawakan sya sa damit kya sya sinapak tapos ayaw pa din bumitaw kaya hinubad nya yun damit

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    narinig ko sa radyo kanina iniinterview mga vendors sa banawe galit na galit kay MMDA TE talagang balasubas daw yon sabi nila butinga daw at ginanon siya. parang imposible naman lahat yan pakawala ni maserati driver diba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foresterx View Post
    narinig ko sa radyo kanina iniinterview mga vendors sa banawe galit na galit kay MMDA TE talagang balasubas daw yon sabi nila butinga daw at ginanon siya. parang imposible naman lahat yan pakawala ni maserati driver diba.
    Ibig sabihin ba nyan tama lahat ng sinasabi ni Ingco? Nasa kamay na to ng media ngayon.

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    Parang Cedric Lee , Vhong Navarro lang naglalabasan mga complainant pagkatapos. Pero it seems legit yung claim nung complainant. Sana meron kuha ng CCTV.

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    Mukhang may laban si Ingco. Base sa news kanina eh ayaw siyang bitawan ni adriatico kaya nya sinapak. At hindi naman kinaladkad kasi sa video nka ilaw yung brake lights ni maseratti. Tapos sa program ng dos por dos eh may isa silang kasamahan na nag confirm na buwaya talaga yan si adriatico

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    Quote Originally Posted by yapoy86 View Post
    Mukhang may laban si Ingco. Base sa news kanina eh ayaw siyang bitawan ni adriatico kaya nya sinapak. At hindi naman kinaladkad kasi sa video nka ilaw yung brake lights ni maseratti. Tapos sa program ng dos por dos eh may isa silang kasamahan na nag confirm na buwaya talaga yan si adriatico
    mitigating circumstances(if proven guilty) lang but since it is a criminal case the quantum of evidence needed is proof beyond reasonable doubt(hence ingco will surely walk free)- meaning he acted with intent dahil kung provoke lang as ingco told the media, panalo siya- kung ako lawyer ni ingco gamitin kong principle is proximate cause - of the evil cause and jusrisprudence na a slap is a valid defense against oral defamation (di ko lang alam kung paano ipasok ang slap sa punch)made by mmd te(kasi nag dirty finger si mmda te). - come to think of it paano nakuha yung phone.... lumapit si ingco? bakit lumapit? kasi may itatanong? pag may iatatanong di naman kailangan ilabas cp.

    basta pag guilty mitigating lang yan, pero surely p.i. pa lang tapos na yan-

    sana sa mga pasay te din may sumapak mas kupal yun kaysa sa mmda

    i do not condone what both party did- kaya ako to be safe tadtad ng dash cam auto ko dash cam each vehicle
    Last edited by victorevolution; December 2nd, 2014 at 12:56 AM.

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    Nasa facebook na ng top gear yung video.

    I think its clear naman kung ano ang nangyari. May angas yung MMDA, pumatol si Masserati. MMDA is at full force to bring Ingco to justice. Sana yun din ang pursigi nila na imbestigahan din itong constable nila. Grab the opportunity na linisin din ang hanay nila.

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    Guys sorry if this is medyo off topic-- what if si constable ay kunwari unang naging physical talaga tapos si maseratti driver eh sabihin nating mma-calibre yung skills nya, nabugbog yung constable and si driver walang galos or ano man. Me laban ba yung driver pag ganitong case? To make it more interesting there is no dashcam video to prove driver' claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beginnerz View Post
    Guys sorry if this is medyo off topic-- what if si constable ay kunwari unang naging physical talaga tapos si maseratti driver eh sabihin nating mma-calibre yung skills nya, nabugbog yung constable and si driver walang galos or ano man. Me laban ba yung driver pag ganitong case? To make it more interesting there is no dashcam video to prove driver' claim.
    Pag ganyan ang nagyari eh nauna pang nag report si Maserati sa pulis, baka nga mas na una pang nag report ang passenger nya eh.

    Meron namang video yung nasa cellphone ng TE na nalaglag sa loob ng sasakyan nya, which according to him he has no knowledge of.

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