Bayani's U turn system: Do you agree with it?

[bbt]

If you were driving along Marcos Highway and Imelda Ave. before BF then you would really feel that BF is heaven sent. He solve the problem in Imelda Ave. Marcos Highway. Yes the Uturn slots is a brilliant solution to our
traffic problems. Among the MMDA chairmen, siya lang yata ang nagiisip.

i definitely agree! andami ko talagang nakikitang progress. there's always a new project that i run into and all of them help improve the traffic situation talaga. i also appreciate that mmda doesnt confiscate your license and instead just pay at metrobank. sa mga times na nahuhuli ako ng mmda di na ako nag ooffer ng bribe kasi mas mura and no hassle naman to pay the fine although bayani has some questionable ideas like the motorcycle helmet sticker, pero hindi naman tinuloy nung madaming nag-reklamo. also, he's not perfect when it comes to certain things like kotongero mmda enforcers, but you have to understand that he's working within the limits of the budget and personell that he's given

[Lucius]

the u turn slots are good, they minimizes traffic, the problems are the PUV that pile up and create traffics, they should be given proper disciplinary action and so are the pedestrian and the common tao ridding PUV.

there are a proper way of unloading and loading the PUV follow them! dont stop wherever you wish to as only in the philippines does this happen, a proper drop off zone should be strictly implemented.

Oo nga eh. Ako todo busina, tapos kapal pa ng mukha ng mga nakasakay sama tumingin. Iba talaga wala pinagaralan.

[oldblue]

i believe if we will go deep deep into BF's mind, dun mo makikita na sukang-sukang na talaga sya sa mga PUVs. hindi nga lang nya makanti ng husto kasi pulitiko din sya at parang nang-aapi siya ng mahirap ang labas nya.

napapailing na lang siya sa siguro sa gastusin sa pagpapatayo ng pink fences and other structures sa main roads, eh meron naman mas swift na desisyon, limit the franchise of PUVs katulad ng ginawa ni Marcos. dapat total govt. control sa pag-aallow ng puvs sa kalsada. kung tuusin may transport shortage lang naman kapag morning and evening rush hour pero nagdudusa tayong lahat kahit tanghali saka hapon kasi wala sila masakay sa ganitong oras at nag-hahanging sa kalsada

PUV's are like clogs in a body circulatory system. pag di maayos ang takbo ng katawan mo, you lose productivity. same as our roads, kung puro clogs, di tayo naging productive as a nation, kasi dami lost time sa kalsada.

i wish the next generations will adopt this mentality that PUV's are the reason why we are slowly or not progressing at all. parang pag naging pulitiko man ilan sa mga generation na yun, they will continue what BF has started until we totally eradicate this clogs/cancers in our society.

[Flagg]

Why can't we be made to follow traffic rules and regulations? Kasi pasaway tayo? Walang disiplina? IMO, no. The problem is with enforcement. Why do we magically turn into law abiding motorists while abroad? Takot lang nating mahuli, which is exactly the point.

So now, instead of strictly enforcing traffic rules, we have U-turns. Does it work? It depends. What's the tradeoff? Safety. Is it worth it? You decide.

I'm sure we are all aware that behavior modification is a costly, time-consuming exercise (if it indeed works). So, while we sit, hopefully waiting for whatever performance-enhancement program will prove effective with our beloved protectors of the law, simultaneous, proactive programs such as the U-turn system are more than welcome, in my book.

With respect to safety: As said before in this thread, the U-turns are a type of mini-rotunda system. There was a study sometime in the late '90s which showed that the British rotunda system (more technically called the roundabout) actually had a lower accident rate and greater throughput (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout ) than the US traffic light system, hence the widespread adoption of rotundas in the EU, wherever feasible (biggest example: the Place de l'Etoile, the busiest intersection in the world).
Medyo obvious from above pic na magulo mga French, like us... ahihi...


With respect to reflectorized signs: when the U-turn system was first installed in my locality, all the barriers had this 16 sq.in. reflectorized arrow. In less than 2 months, these were all gone, some, presumably through thievery. Others, I can here confirm seeing these destroyed by our wondrous lights-everywhere-except-at-the-headlights jeepneys. Hehe, we truly deserve what we get.

[jeffrocks]

Ano kaya hitsura ng traffic sa pilipinas by the time when space-age years come? like sa Star Wars, siguro mahihirap na lang ang gumagamit ng kalsada[below] at mga big shots ay space car up in the air

[chuaed]

If you were driving along Marcos Highway and Imelda Ave. before BF then you would really feel that BF is heaven sent. He solve the problem in Imelda Ave. Marcos Highway. Yes the Uturn slots is a brilliant solution to our
traffic problems. Among the MMDA chairmen, siya lang yata ang nagiisip.

heaven sent ba? lagi ako dumadaan doon, pag rush hour sobrang traffic. nakaharang na ang concrete barrier sa gitna sabayan pa ng pink fence... mga jeepney ginawang terminal ang kalsada (sta Lucia, robinson east) at makikita mo mga MMDA traffic enforcer nandoon sa kanto nag yosi at kumakain ng fishball.


pag dating ng gabi/madaling araw ang dilim ng kalsada lalo na pag bumuhos ang ulan hindi mo makita mga barrier at pink fences...

Mabuti nandito eto sa GoonSquad HQ...

Absolutely RUBBISH!!!

[Dr.Kamiya]

Personally, I think it is a major pain. If you're coming into Libis from Ortigas Ave, you cannot make a left turn or a U turn until you get to the end of the road by Blue Ridge. It is totally mad! I wanted to go to white plains and it took me an extra hour because of the traffic. I just wanted to know how other members feels about this. I know that the MMDA are just trying to avoid congestion, but does it really help to make the U turns so far? Post your thoughts

Fastest way to white plains from ortigas is probably to take the u-turn undernearth the ortigas-c5 flyover and come into the road leading into valle verde/corinthian gardens.

That, or take the flyover up at the end of libis, swing to the right where the concrete blocks begin and take a left to white plains at the intersection above.

[Flagg]

heaven sent ba? lagi ako dumadaan doon, pag rush hour sobrang traffic. nakaharang na ang concrete barrier sa gitna sabayan pa ng pink fence... mga jeepney ginawang terminal ang kalsada (sta Lucia, robinson east) at makikita mo mga MMDA traffic enforcer nandoon sa kanto nag yosi at kumakain ng fishball.
...

Pre, kesa naman compared to before na traffic light yung nandun... 10-15 minutes from the far side of Sta. Lucia frontage up to yung kanto na may intersection. Mga 50 meters lang yun a!

Re PUVs: Noon pa nga, terminal na dyan.

[Flagg]

Ano kaya hitsura ng traffic sa pilipinas by the time when space-age years come? like sa Star Wars, siguro mahihirap na lang ang gumagamit ng kalsada[below] at mga big shots ay space car up in the air

Pagdating ng time na yan, eto bibilhin ko:

[Djerms]

If you were driving along Marcos Highway and Imelda Ave. before BF then you would really feel that BF is heaven sent. He solve the problem in Imelda Ave. Marcos Highway. Yes the Uturn slots is a brilliant solution to our
traffic problems. Among the MMDA chairmen, siya lang yata ang nagiisip.

Korek!

[ess]

Pagdating ng time na yan, eto bibilhin ko:

Tie Fighter?

[trunks]

the u turn slots are good, they minimizes traffic, the problems are the PUV that pile up and create traffics, they should be given proper disciplinary action and so are the pedestrian and the common tao ridding PUV.

there are a proper way of unloading and loading the PUV follow them! dont stop wherever you wish to as only in the philippines does this happen, a proper drop off zone should be strictly implemented.

I agree. Correct ka dyan boss! Dapat tlaga kamay na bakal na ang ipatupad sa lansangan... at least Bayani is exerting effort in formulating traffic solutions, not like the others ngawa lang ng ngawa.

[Yoda]

I'm sure we are all aware that behavior modification is a costly, time-consuming exercise (if it indeed works).

It worked in reverse. I recall we weren't this bad before. Years of neglect instilled in us the notion that running through red lights, counterflowing and what have you are perfectly alright. There should be no doubt that this will work given a strong political will of those in power.

With respect to safety: As said before in this thread, the U-turns are a type of mini-rotunda system. There was a study sometime in the late '90s which showed that the British rotunda system (more technically called the roundabout) actually had a lower accident rate and greater throughput (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout ) than the US traffic light system, hence the widespread adoption of rotundas in the EU, wherever feasible

I don't doubt the studies, but we have to remember that the conditions there are different from here.

Case in point: Try traversing the length of Quezon Ave, what do you end up doing? You start from the inner lane, but find that you have to move 1-2 lanes outward because here comes a U-turn slot that you're not taking. After passing that, you're forced to go back to the inner lane because jeeps decided to camp out on the outer lanes waiting for passengers. And so on for the next U-turn slot and "jeepney stop". And if that's not enough, you have to negotiate with other vehicles coming from the U-turn slot moving out to make a right on the perpendicular street.

Isn't it safer if we're able to just stick to our lane?

[oldblue]

Pagdating ng time na yan, eto bibilhin ko:

tapos equipped with laser guns. pag naghanging ka, zap ka kasama pasahero

[Flagg]

Tie Fighter?

Hihi... pwede na rin... basta may guns...

[Flagg]

It worked in reverse. I recall we weren't this bad before. Years of neglect instilled in us the notion that running through red lights, counterflowing and what have you are perfectly alright. There should be no doubt that this will work given a strong political will of those in power.

I was never against this point of yours. In fact, I am in full agreement with you here. What I mentioned in my post was that while we are waiting for this great dream, I am happy that some other solutions are simultaneously implemented - like the U-turns.

I don't doubt the studies, but we have to remember that the conditions there are different from here.

Case in point: Try traversing the length of Quezon Ave, what do you end up doing? You start from the inner lane, but find that you have to move 1-2 lanes outward because here comes a U-turn slot that you're not taking. After passing that, you're forced to go back to the inner lane because jeeps decided to camp out on the outer lanes waiting for passengers. And so on for the next U-turn slot and "jeepney stop". And if that's not enough, you have to negotiate with other vehicles coming from the U-turn slot moving out to make a right on the perpendicular street.

Isn't it safer if we're able to just stick to our lane?

Hindi naman that different, as one can see from the crazy French driving in the 2nd pic.

I've been traversing Q. Ave. all my life (even at odd hours ). The U-turns have done much good with regard to travel time. The right lane being one long jeepney stop isn't really something new, and is something one lives with in Metro Manila, whether there be U-turns or not.

Weaving through weaving vehicles isn't really that much of a problem for me. I have a very nonchalant attitude re this and allow those moving to the perpendicular road to pass ahead of me. I have found throughput to be better this way rather than fighting for my little claim on road space.

For me, it sure beats waiting for the light to turn green, only for the PUVs to cross the intersection and immediately create an instant terminal as well as a bottleneck. Ironically, the bottleneck disappears with the red light, only to reappear with the next green.

Take note also, that with traffic-lighted intersections, it's also a pipe dream to be able to stick to one's lane... what with 3rd laners, PUV terminal creators, 20 km/h taxis, texting idiots... the list goes on.

[Yoda]

I was never against this point of yours. In fact, I am in full agreement with you here. What I mentioned in my post was that while we are waiting for this great dream, I am happy that some other solutions are simultaneously implemented - like the U-turns.

I agree with you there as well. I just hope the MMDA realizes that from a strictly functional standpoint, the U-turn scheme doesn't always work on every location it's been implemented in.

Weaving through weaving vehicles isn't really that much of a problem for me. I have a very nonchalant attitude re this and allow those moving to the perpendicular road to pass ahead of me. I have found throughput to be better this way rather than fighting for my little claim on road space.

Good for you. Unfortunately, there are others on the street who don't share your attitude. Or driving skill for that matter.

Take note also, that with traffic-lighted intersections, it's also a pipe dream to be able to stick to one's lane... what with 3rd laners, PUV terminal creators, 20 km/h taxis, texting idiots... the list goes on.

True, but my point is, we minimize changing lanes otherwise, which ought to safer than if we're forced to weave in and out every block or so.

[ess]

OT: May welga ang mga JEEPNEY ngayon sa C5 Libis. They're rallying to have the U-TURN slot near SHOPWISE restored para mabawi daw ang kita nila.

From the Katipunan flyover to C5, sobrang traffic because of the Jeepneys occupying the leftmost lane. Once you get past shopwise, C5 becomes abnormally clear! It was as if I were driving at C5 on a sunday morning.

SO I guess if you remove the u-turn slot violators (jeepneys), the u-turn system DOES work.

[quiksie]

Mga OGAG talaga mga jeepney drivers diyan! nag pass din ako kanina at muntik na ako malate sa work. Nagrally mga jeepney drivers at binuksan nila yun mga concrete barriers para nga makadaan sila. Madami din mga MMDA sa scene wala magawa.
Yun mga jeepney drivers iniisip lang nila ang sarili nilang kapakanan. Magreklamo sila sa MMDA office hindi sa mismong daan para naman hindi sila nakakaabala! Ang kakapal ng mga mukha. Sila na nga ang madalas magpatraffic tapos reklamo pa sila ng reklamo. Nakakasira tuloy ng umaga. Goodmorning to all

[vinj]

OT: May welga ang mga JEEPNEY ngayon sa C5 Libis. They're rallying to have the U-TURN slot near SHOPWISE restored para mabawi daw ang kita nila.

From the Katipunan flyover to C5, sobrang traffic because of the Jeepneys occupying the leftmost lane. Once you get past shopwise, C5 becomes abnormally clear! It was as if I were driving at C5 on a sunday morning.

SO I guess if you remove the u-turn slot violators (jeepneys), the u-turn system DOES work.

Welga sila... eh sila nga yung cause ng traffic in the area in the first place (they make the portion right before Eastwood their terminal).

And it's that particular U-turn in front of Shopwise that causes the traffic in the first place... that's why i would suggest they open a U-turn slot after the Jollibee intersection where there are less establishments...