Bayani's Kalayaan Fiasco

[TholitzReloaded]

I agree, whenever I pass by C5 it had always been a puzzle to me why they did this overhead U turn I mean why not a fly over similar to the one found in Ortigas... Now I know the answer just after reading this thread.

[incus]

IMO, dapat i-balik nalang yung stoplights sa Marcos highway or gawan ng flyover yung Sta. Lucia intersection. I used to pass there a lot before and it seemed to be better with the stoplights, when they put the U-turn slots and fences, magulo.

To this very day, sinusumpa ko yung Kalayaan flyover U-turn slots na yan. Its an eyesore and a bottleneck.

yes, magulo na nga nun may fences pa lalo na ngaun wala na,isusumpa mo talaga ang traffic dito.flyover will be a good solution pero sa dami ng jeep na nakahambalang sa daan wala din mangyayari.

[Mguy]

I beg to differ. I pass there everyday and definitely its better than before. A fly over will not solve the problem and would make it worst since most trucks will manage to go slowly up the ramp. Just notice it when trucks go up the ramp of the c5 flyover, causing traffic. The kalayaan flyover allows the trucks to go faster, so less traffic.

[ghosthunter]

I beg to differ. I pass there everyday and definitely its better than before. A fly over will not solve the problem and would make it worst since most trucks will manage to go slowly up the ramp. Just notice it when trucks go up the ramp of the c5 flyover, causing traffic. The kalayaan flyover allows the trucks to go faster, so less traffic.

How about the trucks who need to turn around on the narrow elevated u-turns? ... same banana, they slow down. They bottleneck traffic behind them. And they sometimes crash into other vehicles as they try to maneuver the tight u-turn, causing even more traffic.

[Mguy]

How about the trucks who need to turn around on the narrow elevated u-turns? ... same banana, they slow down. They bottleneck traffic behind them. And they sometimes crash into other vehicles as they try to maneuver the tight u-turn, causing even more traffic.

The volume of trucks going straight is a lot more that the ones turning. Look, its very obvious that the flyover has its limitation. Despite having one mega fly over at C5-Ugong area, the traffic still backs up all the way to Ortigas because of the trucks. After negotiating this fly-over, its smooth sailing all the way to SLEX. Going north is a simple bottle neck, not caused by the kalayaan flyover, but of the bridge before the c5-ugong flyover, having just 3 lanes and only 2 to go straight.

The one's crashing is just plain stupid, as they don't know how to properly maneuver their cars on that flyover or any other u-turn slot.

[vinj]

I beg to differ. I pass there everyday and definitely its better than before. A fly over will not solve the problem and would make it worst since most trucks will manage to go slowly up the ramp. Just notice it when trucks go up the ramp of the c5 flyover, causing traffic. The kalayaan flyover allows the trucks to go faster, so less traffic.

With regard to the C5- Ortigas flyover... the problem is the truck driver already knows na alangan yung size and weight ng vehicle nila pero still, pinagpipilitan idaan sa flyover instead of going straight under.

Yep, DPWH and Binay wanted a flyover; Bayani had better things in mind. His reasoning was that it would cost less to build the elevated U-turn but if you look at it, resources and materials used dont seem too far apart.

[Mguy]

With regard to the C5- Ortigas flyover... the problem is the truck driver already knows na alangan yung size and weight ng vehicle nila pero still, pinagpipilitan idaan sa flyover instead of going straight under.

Yep, DPWH and Binay wanted a flyover; Bayani had better things in mind. His reasoning was that it would cost less to build the elevated U-turn but if you look at it, resources and materials used dont seem too far apart.

Mismo. Kaya nga si Bayani, alam na nya tigas na ng ulo ng Pinoy, eh di gumawa na lang sya ng paraan. Thinking out of the box, so to speak.

[fourtheboys96]

With regard to the C5- Ortigas flyover... the problem is the truck driver already knows na alangan yung size and weight ng vehicle nila pero still, pinagpipilitan idaan sa flyover instead of going straight under.

Yep, DPWH and Binay wanted a flyover; Bayani had better things in mind. His reasoning was that it would cost less to build the elevated U-turn but if you look at it, resources and materials used dont seem too far apart.

You cannot compare the costs just by looking at it.

A system of flyovers may require more space (i.e. land) to accommodate the ramps. Land is definitely expensive in Metro Manila.

[ghosthunter]

Here's a couple of pictures I took at around 10:00am yesterday as I was driving through C5.





First picture, you will notice ALL vehicles are funneling to the three NARROW lanes under the flyover. This is like 5 WIDE lanes of C5 suddenly changing to 3 NARROW lanes causing the bottleneck. Note that this traffic extends all the way past Market Market. The speed of traffic is much SLOWER than someone walking on the sidewalk. Immediately passing through the elevated u-turns, traffic gets much lighter and flowed quickly.

Second picture, you can see a truck STALLED on top of the elevated u-turn with a tow truck in front of it. I don't know the story behind it but most of us knows the net result of having ONE LESS LANE on the u-turn. Note that the truck and tow truck is not moving for the entire duration it took me to pass through the area, it's like the guys were working on the disabled truck right on the elevated u-turn.

[cbcnestormn]

Let me add, the congestion then encourages many Pasig bound drivers to aggravate it by "2 cutting lanes" across the downward ramps and into the path of cars coming from Buting, Pasig who need space to merge into U Turn slot leadin to the Kalayaan or C5 southbound lane. All these crazy swerving causes accidents, my sister's car was side swiped by a jeep, of course wala kaming na kuhang pera. For a short time, the MMDA installed barriers so that only cars from Buting/Pasig could enter into the service road....hehe, di nag tagal, Inalis. Bakit kaya? Nagreklamo kaya iyun mga public utility jeeps na gusto ganoon ang pagmamaneho? Jeeps have of course learned to "linger" at the intersection to pick up passengers. If you stand on top of the pedestrian walkway, you will see what a disaster it is, a student driver would dread using this U turn slot. Tsk Tsk. And so far, now initiative from the MMDA to sort this out. I talked to one MMDA officer there, I asked why none of them bothered to call the attention of swerving motorists, he said, ang titigas po ng ulo, di mapasunod....huh???????????? Meantime, there are 3 - 4 of them cooling their heels at the Kalayaan side waiting to catch cars from C5 soutbound who swerve into Kalayaan from the middle lanes instead of using the service road.

[Mguy]

Here's a couple of pictures I took at around 10:00am yesterday as I was driving through C5.





First picture, you will notice ALL vehicles are funneling to the three NARROW lanes under the flyover. This is like 5 WIDE lanes of C5 suddenly changing to 3 NARROW lanes causing the bottleneck. Note that this traffic extends all the way past Market Market. The speed of traffic is much SLOWER than someone walking on the sidewalk. Immediately passing through the elevated u-turns, traffic gets much lighter and flowed quickly.

Second picture, you can see a truck STALLED on top of the elevated u-turn with a tow truck in front of it. I don't know the story behind it but most of us knows the net result of having ONE LESS LANE on the u-turn. Note that the truck and tow truck is not moving for the entire duration it took me to pass through the area, it's like the guys were working on the disabled truck right on the elevated u-turn.

The reason they are cramming into 3 lanes is because the fourth lane is closed due to falling rocks on the side. Plus this is not the cause of the traffic, as you pass through this bottleneck, it is still traffic because the real bottleneck is the bridge and the c5 ugong flyover.

And despite the stalled truck up the flyover, there is a lot of space to turn there. For sure, the two lanes are open.

Anyway, be it this flyover or another type of flyover, there is no doubt that traffic had improved there than before. I remembered traffic was horrible there, backing all the way to gate 1 in kalayaan ave. going to pasig or from c. Raymundo going to makati. Now, everything is moving.

I said before, this flyover would be so successful moving traffic faster that the other flyover will be causing traffic.

[scharnhorst]

Here's a couple of pictures I took at around 10:00am yesterday as I was driving through C5.




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this is what we're talking about. 5 lanes going to three.

those reopened U-turn slots in the pasig C5 don't help traffic at all either.

I hate these u-turn slots. dalawang beses na kami nabangga sa mga pesteng uturn slots na yan.

All things equal, mas gusto ko pang dumadaan sa espanya kaysa sa q.ave. Less jostling for position kasi hindi nagna-narrow yung roads every now and then.

[vinj]

You cannot compare the costs just by looking at it.

A system of flyovers may require more space (i.e. land) to accommodate the ramps. Land is definitely expensive in Metro Manila.

Thats also the concern actually if you're talking about land use; the U-turn flyover required much more space as they had to expropriate more land, cut through more rock and mounds/hills, and widen a much longer portion of the road just build it. Had it been the straight-through flyover (for C5 north and southbound lanes) as proposed by other parties, they would just have to widen the road near the intersection to accommodate the service road for those going under to turn left or right.

[oliver1013]

Ok naman tong part na to ng C5, dirediretso naman tuwing dumadaan ako...

[shredingman123]

thumbs up na 2! para at least matuwa naman si bayani, natalo na nga sa eleksyon yung tao eh