Car Swap: E30 M3 for 1967 Mustang GT

[n2knee]

what's with muscle cars anyway? for me it's the epitome of american waste, just like their monster SUV's (i'm thinking Excursion). too much bulk for things not needed. sumikat lang naman yang mustang dahil sa gone in 60 secs. e. but that one has nos. mustang, good for straight line speed, bad when the roads get twisty. the e30 has more verve and fluidity.

sumikat lang daw yung Mustang dahil sa Gone in 60 Seconds :lol: di mo alam sinasabi mo kapatid, kaya mas mabuting isaloob mo na lang kung ikaw ay di sigurado sa mga sasabihin mo para dika kahiya hiya. nakasakay ka na ba sa Mustang with full Griggs suspension set-up??? pag dika pa nakasakay o naka drive ng Mustang, yang opinion mo ay basura kapatid.

[n2knee]

nasaan na si kapatid na Woodfire? patingin naman ng pics po. eto ang pwede mong puntahan bro. good resources para mabigyan ka ng idea sa mga magiging future projects mo sa bago mong kotse.

http://www.corral.net
http://www.stangnet.com
http://www.svtperformance.com


EDIT***** 2003 pa pala itong thread na ito.

[OTEP]

The Mustang was already popular even before the first Gone in 60 movie.

Maybe to the younger set, Nicolas Cage's flick was the first time they saw a 'Stang in action. And coming from a generation raised on hot-rod Hondas and force fed inline-4's, a Muscle Car bordered on blasphemous to them.

But there is a certain charm about Vintage Cars (or else I wouldn't have joined the local Vintage club). Much more with Vintage Muscle Cars. Euro cars have their own charm, that's true. So I guess you just go with whatever floats your boat.

[redorange]

If it's just a regular Mustang and not a GT350 or GT500 then the BMW E30 M3 may be a better choice. The BMW E30 M3 was a limited production model and from 7/85 to 7/89 only 18,204 were produced. Even if you convert the Mustang to a "Eleanor" it will still not have the value of the E30 M3 in the future because it's not an original GT500. Just an FYI a 1988 E30 M3 is still going for up to $23K and average is $13K here in the US.

[forza1]

Is the Parts of the mustang genuine/original parts or just aftermarket reproduction of the original you have to keep this in mind. BMW M3 will become a collectable in sometime, so for me, I'd stick with the BMW. Not unless it's a Mustang shelby gt 350 or gt 500 then I'd go with the trade.

[empy]

hehe, kayo naman....2 years nang napalitan yung M3 ni woodfire. i hope he's enjoying his Mustang.

i too would have stuck with the M3 - near-supercar performance during its day, and even now it's a fun drive - but i can understand the allure of the classic Mustang, especially if you grew up lusting after these cars in the 60's...

[turbo]

Maybe we can ask Flagg about his view on the subject since he owns a Musclecar and a BMW.

For me, I will take an Eleonor anytime over a Porsche 911 Turbo. I don't own an M3, but a 911 Turbo is surley much better than an M3.

Just my view, since I can talk about Porsche and Mustang because I have both of them.

Who cares about driving a Mustang fast in a curve. We drive it moderately in populated areas. Sort of an "EGO TRIP". People, even kids are always looking and pointing at you.

[redorange]

The 911 Turbo may be better but it was not limited in production like the 1st gen M3. If it was not a 1st gen M3 then I would take the Mustang even a 289ci version. BTW Turbo how much do you sell your Mustangs similar to a 289ci model? I know there are better models but the 289 is what I have always wanted.

[BlueBimmer]

same sentiments as Redorange. the E30 is a real M3 whilst the mustang is just a regular mustang albeit a vintage/classic one. if the E30 were a regular E30 then it would be no contest.

[turbo]

Sorry, but my 911 Turbo is a "Special Wish" division Porsche. It is was assembled in a different assembly line from the rest of the pack. ButI just lost interest in the car. Too complicated and very expensive parts. So kung limited ang M3, mas mahal pa ang parts and parts will be hard to find, assuming ang mga parts are deicated to the M3 alone.

289? I don't have a 289 engine, my smallest displacement Mustang is a 351W, the biggest a Supercharged 460(7.6 liter).

It might be a regular Mustang but I'd rather have it anytime of the year. easy to maintain. hinihingi lang namin ang parts. Pwede mong gawin kahit nasa gitna ka ng bukid pag nasira. Simple engineering, basic car.

[kimpOy]

its called the Mustang Lust...
nagiging Mustang Love na yata...

[woodfire]

Uy, tagal na ito ahhh... na-resurrect ulit!!!


I still love to have an E30M3. Mine was bought two years ago for Php 900 thousand by a real enthusiast who knows the historical importance of the E30M3 (1st generation). He has already installed various M3 after market parts.

As for my stang, well... it's so difficult to find a '65-'67 convertible nowadays in the country. An "A1" condition V8 '67 stang would still fetch about USD25,000.00 in the market. A recent local advert for a '65 convertible which is a 3-condition (1 being the highest and 5 the lowest) was still sold at Php 875,000.00 two weeks ago.

My stang has a stock exterior and interior but modernized engine, suspension, brakes, cooling, steering, and electrical systems.

[redorange]

The 911 turbo although a special version of the 911 was not a limited edition made to fit the specs of a FIA racing series(DTM) the E30 M3 was made just for that one purpose. You also have to remember that the 1st gen M3 was a limited run while the 1st gen 911 Turbo(930) was made from 1975-1989 and other 911 models were made with the Turbo look. Parts for the M3 are not that hard to find because it is still being raced by enthusiast.

"Based on the 1986 E30 3-Series body, the first M3 was introduced with a 2.3 L S14 engine, derived from the M10 inline-4 block and the valve train and head architecture from BMWs M1 and later M6 inline-6 cylinder. One of the main reasons for production of the road car was to homologate the M3 for Group A Touring Car racing, as an answer to the "2.3-16V"-model of the Mercedes-Benz W201 which was introduced in 1983. A notable characteristic of the E30 M3 is its racing pedigree, campaigned by BMW as well as other racing teams including Prodrive and Schnitzer Motorsport.
The first version produced 195 hp (143 kW) (catalyzed model). Not available to the North American market; following evolution models continued with 2.3 liters but adopted revised cam timing, increased compression along with the lack of a catalyst producing approximately 215 hp. Later the Sport Evolution model increased engine displacement too 2.5 L and produced 238 hp (175 kW). 786 cabriolets were also produced, all by hand in BMWs Garching plant, at the time the 215 Hp example was the world's fastest four seater convertible. The E30 M3 differed from the rest of the E30 line-up in many ways. The M3 was equipped with "box flared" fenders to accommodate a wider track with wider and taller wheels and tires. It also had three times the caster angle of any other E30. The M3 shared larger wheel bearings and front brake calipers with the E28 5-Series. To keep the car competitive in racing following homologation rules, homologation specials were produced. Homologation rules roughly stated that the Race version must reflect the street car aerodynamically and in engine displacement therefore improved models were periodically released for the public. Special editions and homologation specials include: the Evo I, Evo II and Sport Evo (AKA. Evo III) some of which featured less weight, improved aerodynamics, taller front fender arches (Sport evo; to further facilitate 18 inch wheels in DTM), Brake ducting, and more power."

"The M3 was (and is) a successful racer, winning the Deutsche Tourenwagen Meisterschaft, European Touring Car Championship and even the one-off world title in 1987. The E30 M3 is also a multiple winner of Macau Grand Prix, 24 Hours Nürburgring and Spa 24 Hours."

Not to say that the Mustang is not a good car but unless you have a numbers matching GT350, GT500, Mach1, or Boss302 edition it won't hold the same value as the 1st gen M3 in the long run. Yes, you can enjoy the ride of the Mustang but you can do the same with the M3 and have a collectors car in the end. A homemade "Eleanor" is just that and not a true GT500 which means to a collector it's just another Mustang. I don't know if they show the Barrett-Jackson car auction in the Philippines but the resto-mod non-numbers matching cars do not sell well. I guess its safe to say that the 1st gen M3 is the "Eleanor" GT500 of the E30 models BMW.

[redorange]

Picking between the two would be a hard decision for me to make. I guess I am lucky before we got married my wife aggreed to let me have my toys, i.e. cars, tech stuff, etc., as long as no girls are involved. hehehe

[Usting]

I don't like classic muscle cars. kahit pa 2 mustangs di ko ipagpapalit ang M3 mo sir woodfire, nakita ko na photos non dati.

[Flagg]

Sir turbo, now that I have my muscle car... gusto ko naman yung M3. Ahihi.