car brands: who owns who?

[badkuk]

Hi All!

So far ang alam ko is:

Toyota - Toyota, Lexus, Scion
Nissan - Nissan, Infiniti
Chevrolet - Chevrolet, Daewoo
Ford - Ford, Mazda, Lincoln(meron pa e)
Chrysler - Chrysler, Mercedes Benz
Honda - Honda, Acura

[mazdamazda]

Ford - Ford, Mazda, Lincoln, Volvo
BMW - BMW, Land Rover, Bugatti
VW - VW, Audi, Lamborghini

[Litespeed]

Ford also assemble Jaguars on US models.

[Litespeed]

BMW X5's and Z's only models assemble in US. North Carolina plant.

[coiter]

sama mo pa sa ford ang aston martin.
chrysler is known as diamler-chrysler. under din nya ang mitsubishi.
ang chevrolet is under GM which also includes suzuki, opel and subaru.
ferrari includes fiat and maserati.
bmw naman has rover, rolls-royce/bentley and the mini cooper.
marami pa yan. dami kasing nalugi at meron namang umasenso kaya nagbilihan or merge sila.
bilib talaga ako sa toyota at honda. kahit nagconsolidate na ang ibang manufacturers solo pa rin sila at nakakacompete pa. in fact, malapit na unahan ng toyota ang ford as the world's no. 2 car maker.

[badkuk]

who's numbah one? i always kinda assumed Ford e, by virtue of ung brands under its belt...

[1D4LV]

ang alam ko:

mitsubishi - bmw/mitsubishi.
daihatsu - toyota

[orly_andico]

no, no. daimler/chrysler owns part of mitsubishi (about 30% IIRC).
BMW is one of the most successful car manufacturers (the majority owner of BMW, some old chick, is Germany's richest person) -- they own (as someone else pointed out) Rover, Rolls-Royce (cars only -- RR also makes jet engines and turbines).

I think #1 pa rin ang GM. Then Daimler-Chrysler or Ford.

also.. Kia is associated with Ford, and Daewoo is associated with GM -- which also owns Opel, parts of Subaru, etc.

the Fiat group of Italy (Italy's largest company) owns Ferrari, Maserati. dunno who owns Alfa-Romeo though..

the "other" big German company is VW of course. they own (in addition to their marque) Porsche+Audi. it's worth remembering that Ferdinand Porsche (who designed the VW Beetle and the German WWII "Kubelwagen" which was their Jeep) also lent his name to Porsche the car company.

[orly_andico]

Oh yeah. Also, I believe Bugatti is owned by VW, not BMW -- the scary 1000hp W16 Bugatti Veyron uses a W16 engine designed by VW. VW is the only major manufacturer to use W12 and W16 engines (which are basically two shallow-angle V6's or V8's put together). The Bentley Continental uses a W12 engine, they're also a member of the VW group.

[Karding]

Originally posted by coiter
sama mo pa sa ford ang aston martin.
chrysler is known as diamler-chrysler. under din nya ang mitsubishi.
ang chevrolet is under GM which also includes suzuki, opel and subaru.
ferrari includes fiat and maserati.
bmw naman has rover, rolls-royce/bentley and the mini cooper.
marami pa yan. dami kasing nalugi at meron namang umasenso kaya nagbilihan or merge sila.
bilib talaga ako sa toyota at honda. kahit nagconsolidate na ang ibang manufacturers solo pa rin sila at nakakacompete pa. in fact, malapit na unahan ng toyota ang ford as the world's no. 2 car maker.

GM doesn't own Subaru. Subaru is owned by Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (Aerospace Manufacturer in Japan). Just as Fiat Auto Spa of Italy, Isuzu Motors Ltd. and Suzuki Motor Corp. of Japan, GM collaborates with them in various product, powertrain and purchasing (raw materials like sheet metals). GM also collaborates (not own) with BMW AG of Germany and Toyota Motor Corp. of Japan, and vehicle manufacturing ventures with several automakers around the world, including Toyota, Suzuki, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. of China, AVTOVAZ of Russia and Renault SA of France. Now, if someone still insist that Subaru, Suzuki, Opel, Isuzu is owned by GM, then Fiat is also owned by GM which owns Ferrari, Maserati. Wow, a Ferrari made by GM :hihihi: . Again, GM doesn't manufacture the above vehicles but collaborates and or distributes such vehicles (GM Network.)

Now...

GM is the manufacturer of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Holden, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall. GM doesn't just play as a manufacturer of vehicles, they are also involved in vehicle distribution (but not manufacture), that is why some people misinterpreted GM as the manufacturer of such vehicle.


but how come Subaru, Fiat, Isuzu, and Suzuki shows up as part of GM's Auto brands in their website?

Because they are the DISTRIBUTOR of such vehicles on countries other than their originating country such as Japan.

[explorer]

GM doesn't own Subaru. Subaru is owned by Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (Aerospace Manufacturer in Japan). Just as Fiat Auto Spa of Italy, Isuzu Motors Ltd. and Suzuki Motor Corp. of Japan, GM collaborates with them in various product, powertrain and purchasing (raw materials like sheet metals). GM also collaborates (not own) with BMW AG of Germany and Toyota Motor Corp. of Japan, and vehicle manufacturing ventures with several automakers around the world, including Toyota, Suzuki, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. of China, AVTOVAZ of Russia and Renault SA of France. Now, if someone still insist that Subaru, Suzuki, Opel, Isuzu is owned by GM, then Fiat is also owned by GM which owns Ferrari, Maserati. Wow, a Ferrari made by GM :hihihi: . Again, GM doesn't manufacture the above vehicles but collaborates and or distributes such vehicles (GM Network.)

Now...

GM is the manufacturer of Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Holden, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall. GM doesn't just play as a manufacturer of vehicles, they are also involved in vehicle distribution (but not manufacture), that is why some people misinterpreted GM as the manufacturer of such vehicle.


but how come Subaru, Fiat, Isuzu, and Suzuki shows up as part of GM's Auto brands in their website?

Because they are the DISTRIBUTOR of such vehicles on countries other than their originating country such as Japan.

GM may not have the controlling ownership of suzuki and isuzu...but GM owns a big part of the isuzu and suzuki. read this most recent article...

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../60306002/1003

On Tuesday, March 7, GM plans to sell 17.4 percent of Suzuki into the open market, as Suzuki concurrently buys back about the same number of shares. The move will leave GM with 3 percent of Suzuki.

Clarke won't comment directly on whether GM might also sell all or part of its 12-percent stake in Isuzu Motors Ltd. "We've made no decision," he says.

GM doesn't put those brands in its website because it doesn't have the 'controlling' ownership of those brands. there are other owner who owns much larger share of the company than GM. the rebadged Vauxhall (GM Europe) Fontera here in UK is actually the Isuzu Tropper.

[pissword]

badkuk:

isnt it
1. GM
2. FORD
3. TOYOTA ???

[badkuk]

badkuk:

isnt it
1. GM
2. FORD
3. TOYOTA ???



luks that way...nabasa ko kc sa (ahem) Asian Wall Street Journal* na Ford is #2 pala..all this time i thought they were on top. Toyota is #3 daw.


(* -- complimentary copy lang po B).

[mazdamazda]

yup, that's the arrangement... there were talks that toyota is closely inching to the #2 position...

[Karding]

I read it somewhere (edmunds.com?!) na Toyota nga ang malapit nang pumalit sa Ford spot.

[AC]

chrysler - dodge jeep plymouth mitsubishi eagle
ford - mazda jaguar aston maserati
sa alam ko... m not sure po...

[badkuk]

ever heard of a car brand named Prince? Ung Monaro is Aussie ryt? La pa namang bumibili sa kanila?

[explorer]

Ford - ford, volvo, mazda, land rover, lincoln, mercury, aston martin, jaguar

Toyota - toyota, lexus, hino, daihatsu

GM - buick, cadillac, chevrolet, gmc, oldsmobile, opel, vauxhall, pontiac, saab, saturn, isuzu, suzuki, daewo, subaru

DaimlerChrysler - chrysler, mercedes-benz, jeep, mcc, dodge, mitsubishi

Honda - honda, acura

Renault - renault, nissan, infiniti

PSA - peugeot, citreon

Proton - proton, lotus

Volkswagen - volkswagen, audi, lambotgini, roll-royce, bentley, seat, skoda

BMW - bmw, alpina

Fiat - fiat, alfa romeo, ferrari, lancia, maserati

Hyundai - hyundai, kia

[Flagg]

Sir explorer, hope you don't mind if i plagiarize and correct your magnum opus just a little:

Ford - ford, volvo, mazda, land rover, lincoln, mercury, aston martin, jaguar

Toyota - toyota, lexus, hino, daihatsu (scion)

GM - buick, cadillac, chevrolet, gmc, oldsmobile, opel, vauxhall, pontiac, saab, saturn, (i don't think so:isuzu), (nope: suzuki), daewoo, (nope:subaru), (holden)

DaimlerChrysler - chrysler, mercedes-benz, jeep, mcc (what's this?), dodge, (they just sold their share:mitsubishi), (smart)

Honda - honda, acura

Renault - renault, nissan, infiniti

PSA - peugeot, citroen

Proton - proton, lotus (lotus really? ok a.)

Volkswagen - volkswagen, audi, lamborghini, bentley, seat, skoda, (bugatti)

BMW - bmw, (this is a tuner:alpina), (rolls-royce), mini

Fiat - fiat, alfa romeo, ferrari, lancia, maserati

Hyundai - hyundai, kia

Some Chinese guys - MG, Rover cars

Who owns Ssangyong? (Ssangyong? Who cares? )

The Independents:
Porsche, TVR, Marcos, Pagani, Panoz, Noble, Koenigsegg, (is Vector still alive?).

Don't forget Sarao, Nexus, and my personal favorite: Chery !

[explorer]

Sir explorer, hope you don't mind if i plagiarize and correct your magnum opus just a little:

Ford - ford, volvo, mazda, land rover, lincoln, mercury, aston martin, jaguar

Toyota - toyota, lexus, hino, daihatsu (scion)

GM - buick, cadillac, chevrolet, gmc, oldsmobile, opel, vauxhall, pontiac, saab, saturn, (i don't think so:isuzu), (nope: suzuki), daewoo, (nope:subaru), (holden)

DaimlerChrysler - chrysler, mercedes-benz, jeep, mcc (what's this?), dodge, (they just sold their share:mitsubishi), (smart)

Honda - honda, acura

Renault - renault, nissan, infiniti

PSA - peugeot, citroen

Proton - proton, lotus (lotus really? ok a.)

Volkswagen - volkswagen, audi, lamborghini, bentley, seat, skoda, (bugatti)

BMW - bmw, (this is a tuner:alpina), (rolls-royce), mini

Fiat - fiat, alfa romeo, ferrari, lancia, maserati

Hyundai - hyundai, kia

Some Chinese guys - MG, Rover cars

Who owns Ssangyong? (Ssangyong? Who cares? )

The Independents:
Porsche, TVR, Marcos, Pagani, Panoz, Noble, Koenigsegg, (is Vector still alive?).

Don't forget Sarao, Nexus, and my personal favorite: Chery !

about isuzu and suzuki...read again my post just today. the 'controlling' ownership of the two brands mentioned may not be that of GM's but GM own a big share of those two brands.

btw, those info i posted 2.5 years ago was taken from a printed free (not free now) monthly news mag Automotive News International (which has now an internet site: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage) That auto industry news mag has the last pages showing the update on global industry data and listed the brands according to which mother company a brand/division belongs. So could I dispute what one of the most authoritarian auto industry mag was claiming? 2.5 years have past and there might be some changes in the ownership of some of the brands or division. one best example is the mini which was owned by Rover MG but is now owned by BMW and MG Rover is now owned by a chinese company.