Foton etx 415

**sachiel** · January 21st, 2015 12:40 AM

Does anyone have any feedback on the performance of this model? We are planning to start a business and we are considering this model because it's price is lower compared to Fuso and Canter. Personally, I want to invest on different brands to avoid putting my eggs in one basket in case something goes wrong but our friend has a Foton dealer who can give us a good price and service. Would you put your faith in Foton to run your business?

**yebo** · January 21st, 2015 08:02 AM

So you already have a fuso and canter? Why not just get another fuso/canter? Parts will be the same so you keep the same parts inventory (filters, etc), your mechanic knows them already, and they are already well proven. Why gamble on an unproven brand? Parts are readily available locally already, why gamble on whether the dealer has parts on hand? Mamya yan may break down tapos wala palang parts available e di nakatengga yung sasakyan mo.

**dr. d** · January 21st, 2015 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by sachiel

Does anyone have any feedback on the performance of this model? We are planning to start a business and we are considering this model because it's price is lower compared to Fuso and Canter. Personally, I want to invest on different brands to avoid putting my eggs in one basket in case something goes wrong but our friend has a Foton dealer who can give us a good price and service. Would you put your faith in Foton to run your business?

agree with yebo above.
... if you have reason to believe that the foton will perform as good as the fuso and canter, and will be easier to maintain.
otherwise... why? na-salestalk ka na ba ng friend mo?

in truth, i have more faith in an extremely used japanese model than in any brand-new chinese model..

**sachiel** · January 21st, 2015 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

agree with yebo above.
... if you have reason to believe that the foton will perform as good as the fuso and canter, and will be easier to maintain.
otherwise... why? na-salestalk ka na ba ng friend mo?

in truth, i have more faith in an extremely used japanese model than in any brand-new chinese model..

Thanks for the honest feedback. I too have doubts on China brands as very few trucking companies use it. I even have doubts on Korean branded trucks as well. Di naman sales talk but using connections lang. But I can negotiate it with my friend. I just want to have feedback how people perceive and trust China brands to manage their business.

**dr. d** · January 21st, 2015 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by sachiel

Thanks for the honest feedback. I too have doubts on China brands as very few trucking companies use it. I even have doubts on Korean branded trucks as well. Di naman sales talk but using connections lang. But I can negotiate it with my friend. I just want to have feedback how people perceive and trust China brands to manage their business.

but we must remember...
in the 50s and early 60s, "made in japan" commanded the same implied quality level as today's "made in china"..
in the late 70s or early 80s, we actually saw a chinese bus with its driveshaft twisted like a drillbit...
but i believe cummins (?) now has china making its engines...
what i am saying is, china is slowly advancing...

i buy china-made hand tools for humdrum jobs.. but i buy made in USA for my precision, hardness, and longevity needs. pikit mata na lang sa presyo..

**yebo** · January 21st, 2015 08:31 PM

Made in china cummins mahina. I have 3 china made cummins engines here on our cranes on the rig. 3500- 5000 running hours lang alog na ang turbo. Ilang beses na kami naputulan ng push rods. Yung 2 engines nag premature top overhauls na kami. Common rail injection pumps na stuck up ang isa tapos mas mahal pa i-overhaul kesa bumili ng bago. Radiators naman napalitan na namin lahat, grabe sobrang nipis at kunat ng radiator tubes. Pati radiator fins ang nipis madali pang kainin ng sea water. Kakapalit ko lang ng radiator ng port aft crane last week. Kanina naman nag-welding kami ng oil cooler ng starboard crane, nag crack ang manifold malutong ang bakal kasi. Problema pa walang mabiling parts na made in US puro china na talaga.

Compare ko yan sa detroit diesel na original made in USA, 20+ years old na puro top overhaul lang ginawaga ko dati. Kahit minsan di ako nagpalit ng roots blower at injection pump. Ang na-overhaul ko lang yung nasa korea kami kasi winter e 15w40 yung langis nakalimutan palitan kaya umusok, gasgas ang liner kasi naputulan ng piston rings. Pero mistake namin yun, hindi dahil mahina siya.

Big bother ng detroit diesel naman ang EMD. umaandar ng kahit walang coolant naka-90% load pa din! Naputol yung drain valve na nilagay namin (ordinary ball valve, kung ano lang madampot sa warehouse e hehehe) kaya nag drain ang coolant. Andar pa din kahit red hot na ang manifold! Walang kasing tibay ang EMD! Nagkataon pa na may kick yung well kaya di namin ma-off yung makina so 3 oras siya umaandar na nilagyan lang namin ng water hose sa expansion tank. Nung napatay na namin makina, cool off, konting inspection, fill up ng coolant, start na naman ulit 90% load ulit wala man lang nasira, di man lang nag leak ang cylinder heads at liners. Super tibay!

Kahit 20+ years pa lumipas di kayang tapatan ng china yang ganyang quality!

**lowslowbenz** · January 21st, 2015 08:38 PM

^

Yan din problema naming ngayon. Cummins parts na made in china. Hindi talaga tumatagal.

**kimbon** · January 22nd, 2015 09:03 AM

+1 here. I remembered when my dad told me during his early days, halos wala daw may gusto sa made in japan. Either USA or germany ang isa sa mga best quality. Kahit dati nung kabataan natin I never heard about korea quality but now they are one of the best in cars specially in electronics etc... China made is still improving their technologies and soon they can compete with the big boys.

Originally Posted by dr. d

but we must remember...
in the 50s and early 60s, "made in japan" commanded the same implied quality level as today's "made in china"..
in the late 70s or early 80s, we actually saw a chinese bus with its driveshaft twisted like a drillbit...
but i believe cummins (?) now has china making its engines...
what i am saying is, china is slowly advancing...

i buy china-made hand tools for humdrum jobs.. but i buy made in USA for my precision, hardness, and longevity needs. pikit mata na lang sa presyo..

**Lew_Alcindor** · January 22nd, 2015 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

but we must remember...
in the 50s and early 60s, "made in japan" commanded the same implied quality level as today's "made in china"..
in the late 70s or early 80s, we actually saw a chinese bus with its driveshaft twisted like a drillbit...
but i believe cummins (?) now has china making its engines...
what i am saying is, china is slowly advancing...

True. But right now, China-made is not of good quality so the TS is better off buying Japan-made vehicles.
Another thing, Chinese mindset is different from the Japanese and even the Koreans. So we don't really know if the trajectory of the Chinese product quality improvement will follow that of the Japanese.

**yebo** · January 22nd, 2015 10:46 AM

^^ korek! ang japanese and koreans ang cultures nila ay iba kaya high quality ang products nila. ang chinese e pera lang ang habol, kahit may mamatay sa products nila ok lang basta malaki ang kita. remember the melamine in milk? di bale mamatay ang mga baby nila basta kumita. pati mga toys din, toxic. yan ang mind set nila sa lahat ng products nila. di bali mababa ang quality basta kumita. mura nga pero madali naman masira, marupok, unsafe, may carcinogens.