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    Made in china cummins mahina. I have 3 china made cummins engines here on our cranes on the rig. 3500- 5000 running hours lang alog na ang turbo. Ilang beses na kami naputulan ng push rods. Yung 2 engines nag premature top overhauls na kami. Common rail injection pumps na stuck up ang isa tapos mas mahal pa i-overhaul kesa bumili ng bago. Radiators naman napalitan na namin lahat, grabe sobrang nipis at kunat ng radiator tubes. Pati radiator fins ang nipis madali pang kainin ng sea water. Kakapalit ko lang ng radiator ng port aft crane last week. Kanina naman nag-welding kami ng oil cooler ng starboard crane, nag crack ang manifold malutong ang bakal kasi. Problema pa walang mabiling parts na made in US puro china na talaga.

    Compare ko yan sa detroit diesel na original made in USA, 20+ years old na puro top overhaul lang ginawaga ko dati. Kahit minsan di ako nagpalit ng roots blower at injection pump. Ang na-overhaul ko lang yung nasa korea kami kasi winter e 15w40 yung langis nakalimutan palitan kaya umusok, gasgas ang liner kasi naputulan ng piston rings. Pero mistake namin yun, hindi dahil mahina siya.

    Big bother ng detroit diesel naman ang EMD. umaandar ng kahit walang coolant naka-90% load pa din! Naputol yung drain valve na nilagay namin (ordinary ball valve, kung ano lang madampot sa warehouse e hehehe) kaya nag drain ang coolant. Andar pa din kahit red hot na ang manifold! Walang kasing tibay ang EMD! Nagkataon pa na may kick yung well kaya di namin ma-off yung makina so 3 oras siya umaandar na nilagyan lang namin ng water hose sa expansion tank. Nung napatay na namin makina, cool off, konting inspection, fill up ng coolant, start na naman ulit 90% load ulit wala man lang nasira, di man lang nag leak ang cylinder heads at liners. Super tibay!

    Kahit 20+ years pa lumipas di kayang tapatan ng china yang ganyang quality!
    Last edited by yebo; January 21st, 2015 at 08:37 PM.

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    ^

    Yan din problema naming ngayon. Cummins parts na made in china. Hindi talaga tumatagal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowslowbenz View Post
    ^

    Yan din problema naming ngayon. Cummins parts na made in china. Hindi talaga tumatagal.
    may konting exemption lang siguro..konti lang. hehe

    yung 2 china made na kama tractors na hawak ko naman dati sa trabaho, clutch lining, release bearing at brake shoe lining lang ang pinapalitan namin. ginagamit pambungkal ng lupa, panghila ng 4w tractor loaded with 60 cavans palay, panghila ng mga sasakyan ng mga tiga motorpool, etc.... yung injection pump nya mahusay naman. tumatagas ang compression sa may injector nozzles dahil sa carbon. sa kawalan ng pyesa na maipalit, nilagyan ko lang ng epoxy. kaso sumisirit pa rin. pero naandar pa rin naman. trabahong panggobyerno pa ang gamit pero ang maintenance namin nun relihiyoso. hanggang sa ngayon, nagagamit pa rin daw sabi nung dati kong operator. nung nakapagprocure ang iskwela ng bagong kubota 3608, nanibago kami ng operator ko sa gaan ng manibela, ergonomics ng controls, etc.

    sa mga small diesels naman e malutong yung balancer shaft ng china made. napuputol agad sa konting sayad lang ng bearing. kahirap hanapan ng pamalit. pero yung made in japan na kubota na 4x ang presyo ng china made e napakatibay. change oil lang ang katapat, ok na naman. tapos kung gamitin ng mga nagrerequest nun, paandar lang ng paandar kahit nagooverheat na yung drive belts ng handtractor.

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    +1 here. I remembered when my dad told me during his early days, halos wala daw may gusto sa made in japan. Either USA or germany ang isa sa mga best quality. Kahit dati nung kabataan natin I never heard about korea quality but now they are one of the best in cars specially in electronics etc... China made is still improving their technologies and soon they can compete with the big boys.

    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    but we must remember...
    in the 50s and early 60s, "made in japan" commanded the same implied quality level as today's "made in china"..
    in the late 70s or early 80s, we actually saw a chinese bus with its driveshaft twisted like a drillbit...
    but i believe cummins (?) now has china making its engines...
    what i am saying is, china is slowly advancing...

    i buy china-made hand tools for humdrum jobs.. but i buy made in USA for my precision, hardness, and longevity needs. pikit mata na lang sa presyo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    but we must remember...
    in the 50s and early 60s, "made in japan" commanded the same implied quality level as today's "made in china"..
    in the late 70s or early 80s, we actually saw a chinese bus with its driveshaft twisted like a drillbit...
    but i believe cummins (?) now has china making its engines...
    what i am saying is, china is slowly advancing...
    True. But right now, China-made is not of good quality so the TS is better off buying Japan-made vehicles.
    Another thing, Chinese mindset is different from the Japanese and even the Koreans. So we don't really know if the trajectory of the Chinese product quality improvement will follow that of the Japanese.
    Last edited by Lew_Alcindor; January 22nd, 2015 at 11:18 AM.

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    ^^ korek! ang japanese and koreans ang cultures nila ay iba kaya high quality ang products nila. ang chinese e pera lang ang habol, kahit may mamatay sa products nila ok lang basta malaki ang kita. remember the melamine in milk? di bale mamatay ang mga baby nila basta kumita. pati mga toys din, toxic. yan ang mind set nila sa lahat ng products nila. di bali mababa ang quality basta kumita. mura nga pero madali naman masira, marupok, unsafe, may carcinogens.

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    I have personally tested a foton tornado 3.5 and i am very satisfied sa performance, malakas ang batak and sobrang tipid sa krudo, hindi pa ako nakagamit ng etx pero i have a relative na meron etx na dump truck hindi ko lang alam kung same model as sinasabi nung ot. Nung una isa lang binili nya, then naging dalawa and ngaun apat na, so siguro satisfied din sya sa performance kaya umuulit. Sobrang laki din kasi ng price difference compared sa mga japan brands, pwedeng pang dagdag na talaga sa puhunan mo kaya sulit din naman talaga, or atleast sa experience namin ng tito ko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_sanpablo View Post
    I have personally tested a foton tornado 3.5 and i am very satisfied sa performance, malakas ang batak and sobrang tipid sa krudo, hindi pa ako nakagamit ng etx pero i have a relative na meron etx na dump truck hindi ko lang alam kung same model as sinasabi nung ot. Nung una isa lang binili nya, then naging dalawa and ngaun apat na, so siguro satisfied din sya sa performance kaya umuulit. Sobrang laki din kasi ng price difference compared sa mga japan brands, pwedeng pang dagdag na talaga sa puhunan mo kaya sulit din naman talaga, or atleast sa experience namin ng tito ko.
    kaya pala nagtatayo na naman ng military base sa North Philippine Sea ang mga tsekwa nadagdagan na naman ang pondo nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_sanpablo View Post
    I have personally tested a foton tornado 3.5 and i am very satisfied sa performance, malakas ang batak and sobrang tipid sa krudo, hindi pa ako nakagamit ng etx pero i have a relative na meron etx na dump truck hindi ko lang alam kung same model as sinasabi nung ot. Nung una isa lang binili nya, then naging dalawa and ngaun apat na, so siguro satisfied din sya sa performance kaya umuulit. Sobrang laki din kasi ng price difference compared sa mga japan brands, pwedeng pang dagdag na talaga sa puhunan mo kaya sulit din naman talaga, or atleast sa experience namin ng tito ko.
    kaya pala nagtatayo na naman ng military base sa North Philippine Sea ang mga tsekwa nadagdagan na naman ang pondo nila.

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