Ford Focus

[basti08]

san ba dapat nakalagay ang breather ng engine? sa mga corolla, civic, sentra, lancer et al, san ito nakalagay?

[carlocaraddict]

dapat sa casa, i heard maganda nga ang ford balintawak

[wanderer]

i have a focus... nilusong ko rin sa baha almost half the tire height ang tubig... pero hindi naman nagkaprob. maybe he went too fast...

[carlos]

according to the owner, nilusong nya daw at about 6 inches deep yung Focus. I fthas the case, let us consider waves created by the other cars, so nakahigop ng water ang breather then pumasok sa intake manifold. Ayun, pumasok sa engine. Then the owner tried to start the engine, umandar naman but guess what happend, yung 2 connecting rod, baluktot. ill be sending the pictures to redorange. By the way, after dismantling the engine, yung aircon compressor, nakakabit sa crank case. I don't like the idea

[rousser33]

ang breather plaging palabas ang buga ng hangin. baka sa tail pipe humigop ng tubig lalot naka lubog sa tubig ung tail pipe habang pinapastart ung kotse tendency nya talaga un kpag namatayan ng makina sa baha

[alwayz_yummy]

so for dry road use lang pala ang focus...

[jonski]

wag na kayo mag pa-lowered ng car. ;)

[number001]

^Hindi na ata uso ang lowered na tsikot ngayon. Maybe ten years ago, marami-maraming EG and EK Civic na naka-lowered but these days I hardly see any new or late model cars that are lowered with the exception of a few college/high school kids.

[Sarsi]

^Hindi na ata uso ang lowered na tsikot ngayon. Maybe ten years ago, marami-maraming EG and EK Civic na naka-lowered but these days I hardly see any new or late model cars that are lowered with the exception of a few college/high school kids.

yan din na obserbahan ko, parang sa macapagal blvd na lang maami lalona pag sabado night

[Flagg]

^Hindi na ata uso ang lowered na tsikot ngayon. Maybe ten years ago, marami-maraming EG and EK Civic na naka-lowered but these days I hardly see any new or late model cars that are lowered with the exception of a few college/high school kids.

Ops, matatamaan si sir hens nyan...

[Bogeyman]

Never daw dinaan sa baha, pero umamin din na nilusong sa 6 in. of water. Ano ba talaga? :confused:

Baka naman isolated lang to, considering na rally car ang Focus.

[Karding]

Never daw dinaan sa baha, pero umamin din na nilusong sa 6 in. of water. Ano ba talaga? :confused:

Baka naman isolated lang to, considering na rally car ang Focus.

baka ang definition ng baha sa kanya eh 12-inch of water? yung 6-inch of water eh umambon lang yata sa kanya :evillaugh

^Hindi na ata uso ang lowered na tsikot ngayon. Maybe ten years ago, marami-maraming EG and EK Civic na naka-lowered but these days I hardly see any new or late model cars that are lowered with the exception of a few college/high school kids.

trenta anyos na yung mga naka lowered 10 years ago. May rayuma na at masakit sa likod ang stiff suspension kaya itinaas na ulit ang mga kotse nila, hahaha.

[niky]

Never daw dinaan sa baha, pero umamin din na nilusong sa 6 in. of water. Ano ba talaga? :confused:

Baka naman isolated lang to, considering na rally car ang Focus.

:lol:

Actually, it would take substantially more than even 16 inches to kill a Focus... it would have to be cresting the hood.

And, as Blacksentra says, there is no breather on the Focus. The very reason I got a Lynx before is that Ford/Mazda position their air intakes at hood level. As long as you can see your lights above the water, you're reasonably safe... not like in my Sentra before (anaknampu... forgot that it was an EFI and not a top-mount carb.... ahhh... memories) where the intake is at headlight level and the resonator at bumper level... or the Optra, where the intake is at bumper level.

And yes, the warranty is void... one look at the car and the mechanic would know that it was hydrolocked. It is impossible to get enough water into the engine without having your air intake fully submerged.

And yes, flood isn't covered by insurance either... tough for him.

[ILuvDetailing]

probobly a lemon, the owner should have waited the casa's findings first, sayang ang warranty.

[rab]

kung tatlo ang engine mounting support. ibig sabihin sufficient na yan at nadesign yan may safety factor pa. kung nakakabit man sa crankcase yung aircon compressor, nakadesign din yung crankcase na magresist ng forces na induced ng compressor.

yung sabi ng mekaniko na sabi ng people from ford, hehe, hindi man ako abogado pero hearsay na lang yan di ba?

[carlos]

Well, at first, the owner denied having driven the car sa baha but eventually umamin din. Now i don't really know kung totoo na 6 inches deep nya nilusong sa baha. But the thing is, of all places bakit sa lowest part ng engine ang breather which is not common sa mga vehicles. So ang nangyari is, humigop talaga ng tubig and went to the intake manifold. Regarding the location of the aircon compressor which is attached to the crankcase, parang hindi safe for the compressor and the crankcase. I still trust yung naka bracket sya sa midlevel of the engine. Ang tendency, since may mga kalsada tayo na bako-bako, it might hit hard on something, not only will you have problem with the compressor but likewise sa crankcase. That's just my opinion.

[rab]

I still trust yung naka bracket sya sa midlevel of the engine. Ang tendency, since may mga kalsada tayo na bako-bako, it might hit hard on something, not only will you have problem with the compressor but likewise sa crankcase. That's just my opinion.

i believe the engineers at ford who spent thousands of man-hours redesigning the focus know what they are doing.

http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0...-27286,00.html

In typical Ford fashion, the new Duratec engine shared with Mazda is thoroughly up-to-date without being cutting edge. For example, the engine block has been made stiffer for less noise and the alternator and aircon compressor are now mounted on the block rather than on brackets, again to reduce noise. Chain-driven valves require no adjustment for 250,000km, the spark plugs are designed to last 60,000km and there's an electronic throttle.

What all this adds up to is a much better engine.

[kimpOy]

well at first he denied it then second he admitted it, 6 inches? baka naman 16 inches? the owner should have casa shopped, one reason we are buying brand new cars is the warranty...impossibleng hindi kaya ng casa...poor decision

[Black Sentra]

I'm not going to question whether or not water entered the engine, but most defintely it did not enter through any breather. The Focus, and all EFI gas powered cars built since the '90's do not have breathers that vent into the atmosphere. In order to reduce emissions, breathers of all current cars vent into the intake system, not into the atmosphere.

Now supposing it did have such a breather, water cannot enter through the tube since there is a one-way valve (PCV). My first car was a 1974 Toyota Corona - it had a 12R engine with a breather tube that extended down to the level of the oil pan - in spite of driving the car in floods many times (including a few where water entered the cabin - I was young and invincible!), I never suffered from water injestion. So even if the Focus did have a very non-emissions compliant breather, water should not be able to enter it anyway.

It is possible that the tube that the mechanic saw was just part of the exhaust gas recirc system (EGR), and in that case, any water entering that system will just go down the exhaust piping and not into the engine.

What the Focus does have is an air duct just above the front grille - a design shared with many Euro cars, even the Nissan Cefiro has it. Think of it as an OEM cool air intake. The inlet is safely positioned and should prevent any water entering the intake - unless the driver allowed the bow wave to crest over the hood, and that goes well beyond the definition of "normal" driving.

Lets be careful about criticizing the Focus when the real problem may be with the owner. Consider these two points - 1. IF the problem really was a design fault or factory defect on his car, then why didn't he insist that Ford fix it (for free of course)? 2. Could it be that he drove the car through a flood, suffered water injestion through the air intake, tried to get warranty service from Ford and was dropped by Ford since what he did voided the engine warranty?

[redorange]

I'm not going to question whether or not water entered the engine, but most defintely it did not enter through any breather. The Focus, and all EFI gas powered cars built since the '90's do not have breathers that vent into the atmosphere. In order to reduce emissions, breathers of all current cars vent into the intake system, not into the atmosphere.

Now supposing it did have such a breather, water cannot enter through the tube since there is a one-way valve (PCV). My first car was a 1974 Toyota Corona - it had a 12R engine with a breather tube that extended down to the level of the oil pan - in spite of driving the car in floods many times (including a few where water entered the cabin - I was young and invincible!), I never suffered from water injestion. So even if the Focus did have a very non-emissions compliant breather, water should not be able to enter it anyway.

It is possible that the tube that the mechanic saw was just part of the exhaust gas recirc system (EGR), and in that case, any water entering that system will just go down the exhaust piping and not into the engine.

What the Focus does have is an air duct just above the front grille - a design shared with many Euro cars, even the Nissan Cefiro has it. Think of it as an OEM cool air intake. The inlet is safely positioned and should prevent any water entering the intake - unless the driver allowed the bow wave to crest over the hood, and that goes well beyond the definition of "normal" driving.

Lets be careful about criticizing the Focus when the real problem may be with the owner. Consider these two points - 1. IF the problem really was a design fault or factory defect on his car, then why didn't he insist that Ford fix it (for free of course)? 2. Could it be that he drove the car through a flood, suffered water injestion through the air intake, tried to get warranty service from Ford and was dropped by Ford since what he did voided the engine warranty?

I agree with you on this I just measured where 6" would be in my car and it can barely reach the oil pan. I think the water was most likely 16" and not 6" high. Also why would you take it to an outside mechanic if you believe it should be under warranty all that does is void the warranty.