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    138,000 discount for the old model...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    138,000 discount for the old model...

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    laki ah


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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    138,000 discount for the old model...

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    Is this for all dealers, sir? And which variant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlee View Post
    Is this for all dealers, sir? And which variant?
    For the Trend unit, you can push for Php150k pa from BGC, Alabang, and Libis. Maybe more pa if fleet/corporate. Yan latest offers sa akin when I got my unit a month ago.

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    Discount goes higher the nearer the launch date of the new model ...

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    Good deal yan considering the changes between the old and facelifted everest are not that much.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    Underpowered na nga yung 2.2 ginawa pa 2.0 [emoji24][emoji24]

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpedition View Post
    Underpowered na nga yung 2.2 ginawa pa 2.0 [emoji24][emoji24]

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    It's not about the displacement anymore when it comes with turbocharging. Compare power outputs of the old engine with the new engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxpedition View Post
    Underpowered na nga yung 2.2 ginawa pa 2.0 [emoji24][emoji24]

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    The old 2.2 made 160PS and 385nm of torque.

    The new 2.0 bi-turbo makes 213PS and 500nm of torque, while the new 2.0 (single)turbo makes 180PS and 420nm of torque.

    Both new 2.0 liter diesel engines are more powerful than the old 2.2. The 2.0 bi-turbo is even more powerful than the old 3.2 which makes 200PS and 470nm of torque.

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    Anyone knows when the 2019 model will come one? The one with the facelift?


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    This new 2.0 biturbo engine has to be always highly strung to produce that kind of power. One thing about small engines with high hp/torque is they dont last long. Well im sure ford has done something to make it more durable. But knowing ford, hmmm.....


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    Search for Ford Ecoboost issues ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchph1 View Post
    This new 2.0 biturbo engine has to be always highly strung to produce that kind of power. One thing about small engines with high hp/torque is they dont last long. Well im sure ford has done something to make it more durable. But knowing ford, hmmm.....


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    I beg to disagree about 2.0L engines being not reliable. Take a look at gasoline turbo engines. 200hp is not a big figure even 15 years ago. Mitsubishi produced 300hp with the 4G63T for the Evolution. My FXT makes a modest 240hp but in some Subaru models, it is tuned to 300hp. Volkswagen’s 2.0L turbo gas can be tuned from 220 to 300hp, just like BMW. Mercedes even has a 2.0L turbo that is rated around 350hp. All these engines then are not durable?

    With diesel engines, they are designed to be more robust than gas engines. I guess a lot more tech is designed more them for use with light trucks. Ford is just following the steps of the Europeans with better turbocharging for smaller engines.


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    Quote Originally Posted by benchph1 View Post
    This new 2.0 biturbo engine has to be always highly strung to produce that kind of power. One thing about small engines with high hp/torque is they dont last long. Well im sure ford has done something to make it more durable. But knowing ford, hmmm.....


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    I've been hearing this same argument from a number of people. Small engines with high power and torque output equals a stressed engine that is not as reliable or long lasting as their bigger counterparts. I guess only time will tell if they are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchph1 View Post
    This new 2.0 biturbo engine has to be always highly strung to produce that kind of power. One thing about small engines with high hp/torque is they dont last long. Well im sure ford has done something to make it more durable. But knowing ford, hmmm.....
    This is how Ford's 2.0 Bi-trubo works...
    Working as a team, the smaller, high-pressure (HP) turbo is connected in a sequence to the larger, LP turbo and is controlled with by-pass valves that determine the operating mode depending on engine speed. At lower engine speeds, the two turbos work in series, enhancing torque and responsiveness, while at higher engine speeds, the small HP turbo is bypassed, and the higher LP turbo provides boost to deliver more power.
    This testing includes running a 'thermo cycle' on the engine, heating both turbos to the point of glowing red for 200 hours non-stop. It can withstand this torture thanks to the turbo bearings and low-pressure (LP) turbo being water cooled to reduce temperature, avoid over-heating and protect the air induction components.

    PS: Small high output diesels isn't really a new thing in Europe.
    Even the Japanese and Korean automakers are moving to smaller displacement high output diesels for their pickups and SUVs.
    Isuzu has the 150PS 1.9 liter RZ4E engine, Mazda has the 175PS 2.2 Skyactiv-D turbo, in other markets the Nissan Navara has the 190PS twin-turbo 2.3 liter YS23DDTT diesel, and Hyundai has the 200PS 2.2 liter CRDi e-VGT engine.
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    Its the engine design. Case in point below:

    "Ford Engine Failures. This video seems to be painting over a BIG problem. There have been numerous problems with new Ford engines, ever since strict EU and US emissions laws have forced car makers to develop small, lightweight engines, which need to be turbocharged just to give them some power. The metals are weak, the gasket areas are thin and cramped, and easily fatigue. Take the Focus RS (the latest one)... Ford (for some ridiculous and stupid reason) designed the engine in such a way that the four piston cylendars are actually unsupported inside engines block, but remain ‘kept in place’ only by the head gasket!! Lots of Focus RS owners reported total engine failures at around the 20,000 mile mark, and around 1-3 years of age. What happens, is that the engine vibrates away the gasket’s material, and begins allowing coolant to seep into the cylendars. This creates a situation where the engine loses coolant and needs topping up. But, all of a sudden, the gasket would fail completely and lots of coolant would rush into a cylendar and seize the engine up by ‘hydro-locking’ it. Along the way, it also likely overheated and warped the top and bottom sections of the engine block, resulting in a scrap engine. Fords solution? Recall Focus RS and replace head gasket with a slightly better one! A 300bhp engine relying on a wager of metal to keep it in check!! Jesus! And since 2010, these little put-put-put three-cylendar EcoBoost engine’s have been pretty much the same. Except worse! When coolant can seep into the exhaust manifold area, this can cause detonation and fire. Not good. Imagine if a driver was startled by it, crashed and fell unconscious or injured and couldn’t get out. They would be killed. The biggest issue is that Ford have been very dismissive to customers until class action was taken and TV jumped in too. Ford telling customers that the solution was to fit a better “Coolant Low Sensor” is NOT solving the crappy built engine issue."

    From: a comment of BBC London ford recall report.

    Sorry OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by istan View Post
    Its the engine design. Case in point below:

    "Ford Engine Failures. This video seems to be painting over a BIG problem.....
    This is way off-topic, aside from affecting old car models, it isn't even offered in the Everest.
    For those who care, the 1.0 liter EcoBoost in the news with the coolant pipe issue are for models built between October 2011 and October 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AG4 View Post
    This is way off-topic, aside from affecting old car models, it isn't even offered in the Everest.
    For those who care, the 1.0 liter EcoBoost in the news with the coolant pipe issue are for models built between October 2011 and October 2013.
    Sorry, i am just pointing out that engine design affects durability vs the previous post "Small engines with high power and torque output equals a stressed engine".

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    Quote Originally Posted by istan View Post
    Sorry, i am just pointing out that engine design affects durability vs the previous post "Small engines with high power and torque output equals a stressed engine".

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    Not true... Hirap lang ang small engines pag mababa ang Hp and torque levels nya... Why? Bec. Youll need a higher Rpm to produce more power....

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