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  1. Join Date
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    Quote Originally Posted by rj_tim
    i beg to disagree on some point, sir... religion CAN have something to do with one's tolerance, but definitely not one's IQ

    As long as it is headed for more not less(tolerance), we are all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    the philippines is not ready because most of us are in the belief that being gay is a curse.... and that god condemns gays...gays are works of the devil....man! talk about lack of knowledge.
    in all fairness, this is true to a lot of people in the philippines... especially the old folks and the religious believe in what City mentioned.

    To be fair to City, I don't think he was bashing the Christian. I grew up in a Catholic faith and i've heard this couple of times. I have some relatives that are in the 3rd ***, although we were told of these things in the bible (i think the bible is okay with home***uallity..but not the act itself...correct me if I am wrong..i am not that religious), we still accepted them for who they are...Even doctors really don't know how 3rd *** became and the different factors that are still left to be understood.

    the point here is a person's right regardless of religion, creed, race, etc.
    Last edited by av8or5; February 6th, 2006 at 05:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    the philippines is not ready because most of us are in the belief that being gay is a curse.... and that god condemns gays...gays are works of the devil....man! talk about lack of knowledge.
    city:::ikaw may sabi nito about gays hindi mga posters dito.

    your question was "fairly" simple and is in fact answerable by yes or no. then you requested the posters to qualify their answers and give their reasons for their answers. is there a right or wrong answer to this thread? IMO, even if the thread title were "Let us debate wether gay marriages be allowed or not in our country", we should respect our fellow tsikoteers' take on this issue. being on the other side of an argument does not make anyone lacking in knowledge. peace


    to answer the Q, ok lang sakin. (dami sigurong magiging shotgun wedding dito! ) pero i second ghosthunter, unahin muna yung divorce law.

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    #4
    mamaya mapupunta nanaman to sa flaming war

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    the philippines is not ready because most of us are in the belief that being gay is a curse.... and that god condemns gays...gays are works of the devil....man! talk about lack of knowledge.
    city, who are you directing this quote to, if its towards the members of tsikot who don't believe in Gay marriages, its an unfair quote, I have some college friends who are gay, I for one don't look down on them its just my belief nothing more nothing less.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvDetailing
    city, who are you directing this quote to, if its towards the members of tsikot who don't believe in Gay marriages, its an unfair quote, I have some college friends who are gay, I for one don't look down on them its just my belief nothing more nothing less.

    it's not directed on anybody ILD.

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    Guys, let's settle down.

    According to the Catholic faith, *** outside of marriage and for non-procreative use is a sin. So pre-marital ***, condom use, and *** even within marriage that isn't done to produce babies, is, dogmatically, a sin.

    Since we've learned to accept pre-marital and non-marital *** as a reality of life, it's more of social inertia that acts to stop us from accepting gay marriage. Sadly, the close ties of church and state interferes with any legislation regarding family law. Heck, it prevented us from having *** education for decades, and still hampers efforts to promote condom use to prevent disease and to keep people from having more kids than they can support.

    While I may agree with you on some points, city, next time, you ought to phrase your comments and arguments in a more constructive way. Lack of knowledge is kind of different from an ethical or moral resistance. Not all religious people are close-minded, but a lot of people (regardless of denomination) are set in their ways by dogma and tradition. This is not ignorance... merely an unwillingness to accept change.
    Last edited by niky; February 6th, 2006 at 05:16 PM.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by niky
    Guys, let's settle down.

    According to the Catholic faith, *** outside of marriage and for non-procreative use is a sin. So pre-marital ***, condom use, and *** even within marriage that isn't done to produce babies, is, dogmatically, a sin.

    Since we've learned to accept pre-marital and non-marital *** as a reality of life, it's more of social inertia that acts to stop us from accepting gay marriage. Sadly, the close ties of church and state interferes with any legislation regarding family law. Heck, it prevented us from having *** education for decades, and still hampers efforts to promote condom use to prevent disease and to keep people from having more kids than they can support.

    While I may agree with you on some points, city, next time, you ought to phrase your comments and arguments in a more constructive way. Lack of knowledge is kind of different from an ethical or moral resistance. Not all religious people are close-minded, but a lot of people (regardless of denomination) are set in their ways by dogma and tradition. This is not ignorance... merely an unwillingness to accept change.
    Ok. thanks Niky.

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    why ?

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    medyo overkill yung statement ni city... from gay marriages naputa pagiging demonyo

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    yes just stay on topic, yes or no then a simple reason. kelangan pa ba ipasok uli religion dito? at wag naman magcomment agad ng 'walang knowledge', grabe naman magjudge.

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    whats the connection of not agreeing in gay marriages to everything thats wrong in this world? Your veering of the topic bud. You force can't someone who doesn't to believe in something he/she doesn't... and ridicule them if they don't agree with ya. all you can do is explain and respect them whether they accept it or not.

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by ILuvDetailing
    whats the connection of not agreeing in gay marriages to everything thats wrong in this world? Your veering of the topic bud. You force can't someone who doesn't to believe in something he/she doesn't... and ridicule them if they don't agree with ya. all you can do is explain and respect them whether they accept it or not.
    am i forcing? am i ridiculing?..i said most people do not agree to gay marriages or that the phils is not ready for gay unions because of their beliefs..and that is, god hates gay, it's the work of the devil and it's a curse....and to me this is lack of knowledge....is this forcing to you?..is this ridiculing to you?..

    If I say ..stop believing..then this is forcing...if i say your belief is a ****ing belief of an insane person..then this is ridiculing.

    BB, dont; start name calling..you would regret it if you'll push it.

    Is the word "lack of knowledge" so painful you guys resort to this?

    and for christ sake stop pretending.....the reactions i get from you guys is a product of guilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    BB, dont; start name calling..you would regret it if you'll push it.
    did i say it was you? if you think i was referring to you, then that is your own business. unless i specifically attacked you with name calling, then i suggest you refrain from threatening me.

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueBimmer
    did i say it was you? if you think i was referring to you, then that is your own business. unless i specifically attacked you with name calling, then i suggest you refrain from threatening me.
    Please refrain from name calling. And if you wanna start name calling don;t do it indirectly. If you wanna call somebody a troll....say it straight to his face. It would give us great deal of clarity if you will say to whom do you direct your name calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    Please refrain from name calling. And if you wanna start name calling don;t do it indirectly. If you wanna call somebody a troll....say it straight to his face. It would give us great deal of clarity if you will say to whom do you direct your name calling.
    again, i couldnt care less if you assume you are the troll. and unless i directly accuse you of being a troll (which is my business if i want to or not), your 'threat' to me in your post is the only personal attack i see around here.

    i speak my mind in my posts, and if your guilty conscience ASSUMES you are the one im referring to, then that is your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by city
    am i forcing? am i ridiculing?..i said most people do not agree to gay marriages or that the phils is not ready for gay unions because of their beliefs..and that is, god hates gay, it's the work of the devil and it's a curse....
    this line has been posted quite a number of times. bro/sis city,are you stating this as a fact or as your assumption?

  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by konde
    this line has been posted quite a number of times. bro/sis city,are you stating this as a fact or as your assumption?
    it's a fact. If you want proof. Just try to scroll to this thread. If you want more proof, try asking all christian factions aside from catholics.

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    i suppose it's not really a problem if homo***uals are asking for recognition as partners from a legal standpoint. By all means. However, if they are seeking something akin to a Christian or Muslim wedding, it becomes difficult, since quite a number of major religions consider gay marriages to be unacceptable. There's absolutely no reason for them to desire this kind of acceptance from these institutions anyway, since they don't subscribe to one of their most fundamental principles. What's the point really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cumbersome
    i suppose it's not really a problem if homo***uals are asking for recognition as partners from a legal standpoint. By all means. However, if they are seeking something akin to a Christian or Muslim wedding, it becomes difficult, since quite a number of major religions consider gay marriages to be unacceptable. There's absolutely no reason for them to desire this kind of acceptance from these institutions anyway, since they don't subscribe to one of their most fundamental principles. What's the point really.
    agree ...

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