Should gay marriages be allowed in our country?

[oldblue]

Ah... but you don't have to be gay to have anal ***. There are a lot of hetero***ual men who engage in anal ***.

And lesbian couples don't necessarily have anal ***. A lot of hetero couples do.

And a large part of HIV transmissions are from man to woman to man to... through prostitutes or multiple partners. It is not exclusive to the gay community.

Where do you people get the idea that homo***uality is the root of all STDs? If it were, we wouldn't have HIV positive prostitutes in the Philippines, now, would we?

Sodom and Gomorrah were supposedly destroyed by God because of sin. No mention is made in the Bible that he did it to save the world from AIDS (which was not known at the time) or herpes or leprosy or any such thing.

Marriage is not for Catholics only, otherwise Buddhists, Muslims, Jews and others wouldn't be able to marry. I don't personally live by the word of the Bible, but I treat other people as equals, try not to harm anyone, and am married to a woman I love. I'm faithful as hell, and have never consumated with another woman. I know a lot of Bible-thumpers who can't say the same.

The argument is, what's the legal impediment to marriage of homo***uals? Are we merely blocking it because we're a Catholic country that believes in the Bible? That's conveniently ignoring the large sub-population of Muslims, who allow multiple marriages (as long as the husband can support their wives), or the Communists, who've already performed one gay marriage ceremony in order to attract the sympathy of liberals (I don't think it worked, though. )

Carry on. Don't argue with the Bible, please... and think long and hard for good reasons why it shouldn't be so.

most religions are against homo***ual marriages. buti nga sa atin, condemn lang ng simbahan solve na, but with the Quran persecution na kagad.

gay activists only think of themselves if they really want to push through with this gay marriage thing. if for example, your 7 year old son asks about your married gay couple neighbor? ano sasabihin mo? and what if you successfully convince him that it's alright? man to man thing is perfectly normal. think of how this will affect his thinking, not unless you're very confident that he can totally understand the gay marriage idea at that age or that it's ok for you if he becomes gay when he grows up.

yun lang na naman d'ba. protect the innocent minds. that's the role of present Church to our society.

[niky]

most religions are against homo***ual marriages. buti nga sa atin, condemn lang ng simbahan solve na, but with the Quran persecution na kagad.

gay activists only think of themselves if they really want to push through with this gay marriage thing. if for example, your 7 year old son asks about your married gay couple neighbor? ano sasabihin mo? and what if you successfully convince him that it's alright? man to man thing is perfectly normal. think of how this will affect his thinking, not unless you're very confident that he can totally understand the gay marriage idea at that age or that it's ok for you if he becomes gay when he grows up.

yun lang na naman d'ba. protect the innocent minds. that's the role of present Church to our society.

Ah, but that's where we differ in opinion...

Do innocent minds need protecting?

I've been exposed to homo***ual couples living in since I was seven or eight. I'm still straight, I think... :lol: ...at least, I have a wife and daughter, and I don't have an overwhelming urge to hump Aga Muhlach.

Like I've said, many children... actually, almost ALL children exposed to homo***ual couples or living in homo***ual households grow up straight... just with a stronger acceptance of gays.

How about teen pregnancy? A lot of people I know who've had children in their teen years (and even out of their teen years, but still "accidentally") were first-timers... ika nga... virgins until that point. If you "protect" children from exposure to homo***uals, or to *** of any kind, for that matter, aren't you making them unaware of the hazards and dangers of any such?

People I know who are aware of ***, or who've had ***l education (proper ***l education, that is) are less likely to engage in unprotected ***. People in our family who've been exposed to gay couples living in from an early age have shown no tendency towards gayness... maybe they're more aware of the difficulty of the gay lifestyle, and are therefore disinclined to try it?

If that's the case, then why insulate others from it? Let them see the trials and tribulations that gay couples go through. It's not like advertising a better lifestyle, because it really isn't. They have no legal rights, no children or chance of children (a lot of them break up because of this) and they're shunned by their families. If you're exposed to that side of gayness rather than the TV side, which shows gay people as that "funny person down the street who makes us laugh", would you want to be gay?

I am never going to lie to my child about her gay aunts or her gay uncle. And if she does decide to become gay... I'll admit, it'll hurt... but only because it means no grandkids for me. I'll still love her, though.

[city]

most religions are against homo***ual marriages. buti nga sa atin, condemn lang ng simbahan solve na, but with the Quran persecution na kagad.

gay activists only think of themselves if they really want to push through with this gay marriage thing. if for example, your 7 year old son asks about your married gay couple neighbor? ano sasabihin mo? and what if you successfully convince him that it's alright? man to man thing is perfectly normal. think of how this will affect his thinking, not unless you're very confident that he can totally understand the gay marriage idea at that age or that it's ok for you if he becomes gay when he grows up.

yun lang na naman d'ba. protect the innocent minds. that's the role of present Church to our society.

the only thing an innocent mind should be protected from is deprivation of free thought.

How do you determine one thing is normal?

Never underestimate a child's ability to think and process ideas. This is were most parents fell victim of looking down on a child's ability to understand and perceive things. They have every right to know as every adults. Underestimating a child's ability to understand things is an act of disrespect.

If you say to a child that your neighbor are gay couples and that they are not normal is teaching the child to be prejudiced. You're teaching them to be discriminative to fellow human beings and this is not healthy to the society because this create gaps and walls. You infuse to the child's brain that we are normal and they're not.

And what is it about being a gay that despise us so much?

[mazdamazda]

And what is it about being a gay that despise us so much?

again, you are putting words into people's mouths and casting those that do not agree with you as religious extremists.

even those that are opposed here to same-*** marriage are taking a moderate stance on homo***uality. most of us have homo***ual friends, acquiantances, officemates, relatives, etc. and I believe that we just treat them as regular human beings regardless if we are pro or anti same-*** marriage. while I may not agree with some of the their activities, in my book, that doesn't lower my esteem towards them as who am I to judge them?

but what if we find homo***uality as not the path to lead our children to? isn't that our right as parents (or parents to be) to do that? can't we not teach them also to take up a moderate stance regarding homo***uals (as what we are doing now)?

[CtrlAltDel]

the only thing an innocent mind should be protected from is deprivation of free thought....

And what is it about being a gay that despise us so much?

An exercise in free thinking, perhaps? When one finally made up his mind to choose one way and not the other?

[basti08]

hahaha ok tong thread na to ah

ot na to
but anyways, dun sa aids issue, sabi ng doctor kong prof gays are prone to aids because of their inclination to anal ***...ang dume kc kaya non, dameng MOs that can cause STD and eventually will lead to AIDS.

as for the original question...
i think not...not pro or anti here...but its also for them to spare their "kahihiyan"
until the time they are treated equally, tsaka na rin sila humingi ng equal rights.

[theveed]

Great post ...

[banaweonline]

nothing againt them... imho only....

[ILuvDetailing]

the AIDs issue is debated...

[ts1n1ta]

i see how people can be misinformed.

Being gay is a decision?

in a way, i take offense to this. I am not misinformed, sir. It is just my opinion. If you don't agree, then so be it.

[aceshark]

IMO, kapag pwede na gay/lesbians partners magproduce ng offspring biologically, den pakasal sila kahit saang simbahan. marriage kasi is a sacred union of a Man and a Woman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage this is aceshark just thinking aloud.

[city]

in a way, i take offense to this. I am not misinformed, sir. It is just my opinion. If you don't agree, then so be it.

please dont. you're the last person i want to. Let me take a note of that word and list it as amongst the offensive ones aside from "lack of knowledge".

Let me rephrase, I see how people can have a wrong notion about homo***uality.

It's not a decision they made. They are born attracted to the same ***. If you would notice, bata palang bading na.

I also had a gay friend who got beaten up real bad by his father to make him a man...nothing happened he is still attracted to the same ***. Imagine choosing between being beaten up and being attracted to the same ***. It's not a choice. Well you can choose to act like a man and be married to a woman and have kids but you'll still be attracted to the same ***. I've seen a lot of these gay men being married and have kids. I recall Niky mentioned something about bi***ual persons. They would probably fall to this category.

[oldblue]

please dont. you're the last person i want to. Let me take a note of that word and list it as amongst the offensive ones aside from "lack of knowledge".

Let me rephrase, I see how people can have a wrong notion about homo***uality.

It's not a decision they made. They are born attracted to the same ***. If you would notice, bata palang bading na.

I also had a gay friend who got beaten up real bad by his father to make him a man...nothing happened he is still attracted to the same ***. Imagine choosing between being beaten up and being attracted to the same ***. It's not a choice. Well you can choose to act like a man and be married to a woman and have kids but you'll still be attracted to the same ***. I've seen a lot of these gay men being married and have kids. I recall Niky mentioned something about bi***ual persons. They would probably fall to this category.

maraming batang bading coz pinalaki siya ng yaya or madami sya big sisters.

puwede ka din maging bading kung newcomer ka sa school pag minalas-malas ka na mapunta sa barkada ng mga bading. meron ako kaklase na ganyan, bakla all throughout HS. pero one time nakita ko sa gym, may asawa na at nagpapalaki pa ng katawan. ngaun hindi ko alam kung naging bi***ual sya hehehe pero gulat ako, yun idea ko na ang bading -> bading for life. hindi din pala naman totoo.

sabi ng science may kulang daw sa hormones or mas madami female hormones daw ang bading. eh sa TV nga yun bading maton pa eh, punung-puno ng male hormones. kung may kakulangan, bakit hindi nalang i-research
ng science to prevent a child from becoming gay. iniksyunan ng addl. male hormones or something. but the thing is even science is not convinced na scientific ang problema ng bading.

so malamang nga tama si *tsinita, social factors ang culprit kumbakit naging bading ang isang male. coz if not, then something is really messed up with the minds of most gays - I really cant understand how they become attracted to something na meron naman sila.

[qman]

see how people can have a wrong notion about homo***uality.

It's not a decision they made. They are born attracted to the same ***. If you would notice, bata palang bading na.

proven na ba to scientifically? any specifics

there is no such thing as bata palang bading na and bata palang attractive na sa same ***? what age 1,2 or 3 how would you know na attractive ang ganong edad sa same ***.

ang alam ko proven lang ay ang lahat ng tao me feminine and masculine side, obviously ang bading mataas ang feminine side.

and again your friend choosed to be a gay against his fathers wish kahit na bugbugin pa sya. Diba desisyon yon

[city]

proven na ba to scientifically? any specifics

there is no such thing as bata palang bading na and bata palang attractive na sa same ***? what age 1,2 or 3 how would you know na attractive ang ganong edad sa same ***.

ang alam ko proven lang ay ang lahat ng tao me feminine and masculine side, obviously ang bading mataas ang feminine side.

and again your friend choosed to be a gay against his fathers wish kahit na bugbugin pa sya. Diba desisyon yon

***ual attraction is not observed during the ages you mentioned. Anong edad ba yang mga crush crush na yan?...hehehe..i have a 6 year old daughter who seem to develop attraction to boys at the age of 5. A gay child may experience the same thing but is not totally evident. But I have seen gay kids as young as 8 or 9 who seem to display their feminine side without inhibitions. Some are probably inhibited because of fear of rejection or being a target for ridicule.

[CoDer]

Hehehehe... nag aaway na ba ang mga tao dito?

[theveed]

May coverage na dati sa Newsweek ata or Time about scientists finding a homo***ual gene at birth palang. So some gays are pretty much destined to be more feminine/masculine than they should be and unless they suppress it, yun talaga ang magiging orientation nya.

I honestly think that the less blatant one's homo***uality is, the more it is "inborn", so yung mga kerengkeng na nagsisisigaw usually by choice naman yun hehe.

[wren]

May coverage na dati sa Newsweek ata or Time about scientists finding a homo***ual gene at birth palang. So some gays are pretty much destined to be more feminine/masculine than they should be and unless they suppress it, yun talaga ang magiging orientation nya.

imagine their dilemna. would they try to suppress it and be accepted by society, but miserable inside, or would they come out of the closet and be shun by society but at peace with themselves? that's a tough decision, one that shouldn't be a decision at all if we are more accepting and tolerant. it's easy for us to talk, because we're not in their shoes.

[av8or5]

wow..this thread has been very active since it started..with great ideas, views, and opinions from our respected tsikoteers. i just don't know what to say..we have veered off from the topic somehow, but at least we are getting a lot feedback on this topic. IMO i think the starter of this thread connotes "marriage" more on legality side and not with religion..but I could be wrong.

[empy]

yeah, we should have more of these types of threads (respectful discussion only of course) on the boards...makes life more interesting :D